DAVID MILLAR and the B O A

[RedheadDane]

And now, a levity break!

DM is getting fat ... and looks old. Consquently, he should not be in the Olympics.

He is old. A grumpy old man!

*Runs out before I get in trouble...*

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Cav 4 Millar

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cycling/16360237.stm

Cycling superstar Mark Cavendish believes David Millar has paid the price for his doping past and deserves a second chance at London 2012.

 

[bobbins]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cycling/16360237.stm

Reformed doper - who says? I have no doubt that any tests done by BC that were adverse would be covered up and how is he meant to have redeemed himself? Has he compensated those that he cheated out of olympic places and world champ places?

Cav only says what his manager (Millars sister) tells him to.

The sport would be a better place without Millar.

 

[thehog]

Armstrong has harassed JV and his team for years. Most of it never made public. I can understand why he would be careful with what he says. Yeah, Wonderboy is in serious trouble but often the animal is most dangerous when he is cornered.

Why does he do this? Is it the anti-doping thing that riles him?

 

[Race Radio]

Why does he do this? Is it the anti-doping thing that riles him?

Everything riles him. Wonderboy is an angry guy. He is never happier then when he has something to be angry about. He can't comprehend why anyone would ride clean and attacks people like JV, Millar, LeMond, Floyd who try to upset the status quo.

 

[doolols]

Reformed doper - who says?

I'm sure, like others, he can profess to not failing a test since he came back to cycling. But then, we all know how reliable that is, don't we?

What is stupid is that there are differing standards - so (currently, until it gets overturned by CAS next year) the BOC can maintain a different punishment scheme than the UCI and the IOC. Millar can ride in the TdF, but not in the Olympics?

 

[Race Radio]

I'm sure, like others, he can profess to not failing a test since he came back to cycling. But then, we all know how reliable that is, don't we?

What is stupid is that there are differing standards - so (currently, until it gets overturned by CAS next year) the BOC can maintain a different punishment scheme than the UCI and the IOC. Millar can ride in the TdF, but not in the Olympics?

BOC, and CONI, have no chance. They should save money and comply with the WADA code that they signed.

Agreed, the standards should all be the same. This cuts both ways. As we have seen the sport often attempts to excessively punish those who speak out. Standardization is an attempt to limit this.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Why does he do this? Is it the anti-doping thing that riles him?

I guess Lance is just joking about that tricked "clean" approach by that "cleaner than clean" team and DS as much as everyone else.
Most of the joking never made public.
Ok, not everyone obviously. Part of painting the world how you like it.
The Pipi Langstrumpf-approach.

Seriously, I expected Garmin to deliver as much positives as THC Columbia. Zero. No surprise when you let your riders pee three times a day as part of teaminteral testing program, to avoid beeing tested positive officially and to fiddle out the limits.

Riders running out of pee and blood because of that "strict testing regime and policy".

But, like der Jan said, Doping is when you are tested positive.

 

[thehog]

Everything riles him. Wonderboy is an angry guy. He is never happier then when he has something to be angry about. He can't comprehend why anyone would ride clean and attacks people like JV, Millar, LeMond, Floyd who try to upset the status quo.

Strange that he was stating he was "clean" but didn't actually like anyone being "clean" or a little bit clean.

I think deep down it riles him as with any athelete they start to lose sight of just how good they are with they take dope their entire career.

 

[Swabian Lass]

Reformed doper - who says? I have no doubt that any tests done by BC that were adverse would be covered up and how is he meant to have redeemed himself? Has he compensated those that he cheated out of olympic places and world champ places?

Cav only says what his manager (Millars sister) tells him to.

The sport would be a better place without Millar.

The hobbit wants Millar in the olympic team because he wants a gold medal and he thinks that Millar will help his chances, based on the WC experience.

 

[fatandfast]

The hobbit wants Millar in the olympic team because he wants a gold medal and he thinks that Millar will help his chances, based on the WC experience.

What part of lifetime ban does Cav not understand?

 

[Mambo95]

What part of lifetime ban does Cav not understand?

Presumably, the same part WADA don't understand. They think people who have served their ban should be allowed to go to the Olympics too.

 

[Swabian Lass]

Even if WADA get the British lifetime ban overturned (and I guess the odds are that they will) Millar still has to get selected. Although I suppose if Cavendish stamps his foot that might make a difference.

 

[bobbins]

Even if WADA get the British lifetime ban overturned (and I guess the odds are that they will) Millar still has to get selected. Although I suppose if Cavendish stamps his foot that might make a difference.

That or Milars sisters uses her feminine charm over Dave B

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Wiggins says Millar's Olympic ban is right

Sky (Cav) v. Sky(Wigans)


Bradley Wiggins says David Millar's Olympic ban is right

From a moral point of view, from what cycling is trying to achieve, from what cycling's been through the last few years, for what the Olympics stand for, he should never be able to do the Olympics again

 

[T_S_A_R]

you can't blame brad for being bitter about drug cheats.

if it wasn't for those nasty dopers contador and armstrong in 2009 he would have finished 2nd on the podium....

nicley nuzzled between schlecklet and klodi

a heroic effort!

 

[Race Radio]

You have to question if Wiggans words are the result of a personal conflict with Millar. Given the often absurd praise he heaps on Lance his recent statements do seem a bit silly

 

[fatandfast]

Presumably, the same part WADA don't understand. They think people who have served their ban should be allowed to go to the Olympics too.

Looks like me, the Olympics and Wiggins all think when the IOC says lifetime that means until your next lifetime. I like Wiggins saying that cycling is a little behind

 

[Winterfold]

That headline in no way represents the interview.

You could just as easily give it the headline ' "I would like Millar to do Olympics" says Wiggo.'

Or perhaps accurately - 'Wiggo not really sure what he thinks about Millar's lifetime ban.'

****s, and you have to pay for that quality journalism or go to jail.

(What interest could the BBC have in manufacturing a Cav vs Wiggo story eh? Hatred for News Corp will beat the truth every time )

 

[Mambo95]

Looks like me, the Olympics and Wiggins all think when the IOC says lifetime that means until your next lifetime.

The IOC aren't saying anything about lifetimes. They never have.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

I've actually read the Millar autobiography so perhaps I should be disqualified from posting in this thread but anyway here goes...


Millar and Lance. Millar started out in Cofidis with a load of Lances ex-team mates. Incidently He calls them out for doping and he didn't particularly get on with them. Millar states categorically that, "You do not f**k with Lance", which is why presumably he didn't as a rider. And like most of the peleton, he was overawed by LA's presence. But it's there between the lines in the book if you want to see it, Lance doped.

Miller and Cavendish. Cavendish was desperate for Millar to be his road captain at the Worlds and went on a massive sucking up campaign to get his man. Wiggins had let team mates down in the past (as it happened he was awesome on the day) so Cavendish needed Millar. There was that tweet about Millar giving him the best news ever. Then the two of them + Hunt trained together for weeks in the build up. Cavendish wants Millar again because Wiggins has even more of his own interests to manage next summer, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't do the RR.

Millar and Wiggins The dislike is palpable. Millar feels let down by Wiggins following the move to Sky and his lack of effort in Garmin's lead out on the final stage of the 2009 Tour and he doesn't rate him as a GC contender. Making Millar captain for the Worlds was a tactical master stroke.

Millar and Brailsford Always been very close, nothing to do with his sister. However Millar was denied the opportunity to go to Sky and then sees them hire riders and staff with less than spotless reps. Must rankle a bit I'd have thought.

There are bits in the book that don't ring true: not realising that Vino was doping for a start. What was that about? But generally an interesting and worthwhile read.

As for whether he should ride? No, but it's only the olympics so I'm not that bothered if he does. There are far more deserving cases for me to get worked up about.

 

[Martin318is]

That headline in no way represents the interview.

You could just as easily give it the headline ' "I would like Millar to do Olympics" says Wiggo.'

Or perhaps accurately - 'Wiggo not really sure what he thinks about Millar's lifetime ban.'

****s, and you have to pay for that quality journalism or go to jail.

(What interest could the BBC have in manufacturing a Cav vs Wiggo story eh? Hatred for News Corp will beat the truth every time )

Some seem to see it the other way. Including David himself this morning.

From @MillarMind on Twitter:
"Is the ceasefire broken between me & @bradwiggins? Does the Copenhagen treaty mean nothing? On my birthday of all days. poo to you sir!"

 

[Night Rider]

Looks like me, the Olympics and Wiggins all think when the IOC says lifetime that means until your next lifetime. I like Wiggins saying that cycling is a little behind

I think you're a bit off base regarding IOC? What have they said?

It's irrelevant what Wiggins, the BOA or any other athlete, or you or I thinks is morally right, all that counts is that the rules are followed. Therefore the only correct decision is that Millar is available for selection.

Does anyone realistically think CAS won't overturn the ban?

 

[doolols]

Does anyone realistically think CAS won't overturn the ban?

Nah. And the BOC will have to fall in line with the IOC, and do away with lifetime bans.

 

[Winterfold]

Some seem to see it the other way. Including David himself this morning.

From @MillarMind on Twitter:
"Is the ceasefire broken between me & @bradwiggins? Does the Copenhagen treaty mean nothing? On my birthday of all days. poo to you sir!"

I know irony can be difficult on Interwebs - particularly for mods - but does that not strike you as a less than serious tweet?

I mean really - I always say 'poo to you sir!' when I am kicking off with someone. Its like something out of BlackAdder 3 - lighten up Martin