Dear Jonathon Vaughters...

[Anonymous]

Yes, I'm already sharpening the knife.....

Susan

I suggest you slow cook the shoulder over hickory coals and then use a vinegar and red pepper sauce. Maybe fry up some hushpuppies and make a little coleslaw to go along.

 

[Red Lobster]

I suggest you slow cook the shoulder over hickory coals and then use a vinegar and red pepper sauce. Maybe fry up some hushpuppies and make a little coleslaw to go along.

Hey up TFF! I'm over here in eastern carolina and gearing up for the big memorial day weekend neighborhood pig pickin'. Sounds like you are on the same plan!

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

You all do know that my roots are in northeastern North Carolina? Be back there twice this year to visit mom.

Susan

 

[Anonymous]

Hey up TFF! I'm over here in eastern carolina and gearing up for the big memorial day weekend neighborhood pig pickin'. Sounds like you are on the same plan!

Grew up eating Parker's BBQ. My mom's family is from Wayne county.

I thought I remembered that Susan. That is why I chose that recipe.

 

[Red Lobster]

You all do know that my roots are in northeastern North Carolina? Be back there twice this year to visit mom. Susan

Wow, no idea. I had lazily assumed that "Location: Germany" meant German . . . end of story. Come on over for the pig pickin', if you will be around (though I'm southeastern NC)!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You all do know that my roots are in northeastern North Carolina? Be back there twice this year to visit mom.

Susan

Cool. My mom lives in Greenville, NC. Grew up and went to college in NC myself.

Nothing beats a NC pig-picking. Nothing.
Except maybe Mississippi Mud Pie. But that's it.

 

[blackcat]

Dear JV:

100% clean means that you should also have a clean conscience.

It's on your bidon.

false advertising
false prophets
false legs

 

[MarkGreen0]

You need to be fair to Vaughters. Some of you guys just want blood. Vaughters was one of the pioneers of the anti-doping movement. He's not anti-Lance he's anti-doping. There is a difference.

Wow, this is remarkably candid. That's what I think as well. From browsing this site I think the vast majority are anti Armstrong first and foremost.

 

[Natasha]

Cool. My mom lives in Greenville, NC. Grew up and went to college in NC myself.

Nothing beats a NC pig-picking. Nothing.
Except maybe Mississippi Mud Pie. But that's it.

Seriously? My mom lives in Greenville, NC, too. Will be there in a few weeks. Taking my parents to the OBX. Hopefully there will be pig-picking involved.

 

[tifosa]

JV:

Tell the truth.

The truth from EVERYONE is what will set cycling free.

If you choose silence over truth, then cycling will continue on its dirty corrupted path.

It's your choice. It has ALWAYS been your choice.

Remember the hot sauce, JV?

For fcuks sake, JV, tell the truth.

 

[thehog]

JV:

Tell the truth.

The truth from EVERYONE is what will set cycling free.

If you choose silence over truth, then cycling will continue on its dirty corrupted path.

It's your choice. It has ALWAYS been your choice.

Remember the hot sauce, JV?

For fcuks sake, JV, tell the truth.

JV is my mate so I won't do it.

But there is an interview online whereby Vaughters talks about his record on Ventoux. It will tell you all you need to know about Bruyneel's preparation.

 

[MarkGreen0]

Vaughters' knowledge is all outside the statue of limitations anyway.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

think I'll open a North Carolina thread when the stage is over. Otherwise I would have to sanction myself for going off-topic!

 

[tifosa]

Fcuk the statute of limitations. Those involved in maintaining the sport's secrets (or its innuendos and logical conclusions drawn from implications) aren't worried about prosecution - they're worried about losing their jobs. It's all about money. How selfish can they get?


Evidently, pretty fcuking selfish!

 

[VeloCity]

JV, if you were serious about the anti-doping thing, you'd give Landis a spot on Garmin.

 

[euanli]

But there is an interview online whereby Vaughters talks about his record on Ventoux. It will tell you all you need to know about Bruyneel's preparation.

I felt okay. I wasn’t ecstatic.” “That doesn’t make sense?” “Well, for sure, it was the best form of my life as a bike rider, but I wasn’t . . . I was just sort of . . . I will leave it at this; I wasn’t overly pleased with that victory. It was interesting to me. It answered a lot of questions. But it wasn’t the most ecstatic moment of my life by any means.

Pretty telling

 

[ludwig]

JV, if you were serious about the anti-doping thing, you'd give Landis a spot on Garmin.

True dat.

Why aren't there any whistle blowers on Team Garmin JV? Lord knows Jaksche wanted a ride back in the day....

 

[flicker]

You need to be fair to Vaughters. Some of you guys just want blood. Vaughters was one of the pioneers of the anti-doping movement. He's not anti-Lance he's anti-doping. There is a difference. Long ago Vaughters was talking to ASO about how to make the Tour clean(er) when the UCI refused to listen. He pushed and pushed and pushed. Vaughters is not going to put his team through the mire to get back at Lance. I think respect where respect is due.

All of the insiders know what went on at USPS its just not in the public domain…. yet.

He knows Lance will fall of his own accord. The secret is out. You don't need JV to pull the trigger. Its coming. Just wait.

As per David Miller. Well what can you say? I note he's not protecting Armstrong but trying to protect the Garmin franchise. Remember Miller was $852,000 in debt during his suspension and Vaughters helped him pay it off and give him ownership in Garmin. Miller's not protecting anti-doping he's protect his stake in Garmin. Hard for Miller to tell Floyd to man up when Miller only manned up once he was thrown in a police jail cell. If that didn't happen Miller would still be doping today. He knows it and openly states it.

I agrre. The truth will come out. I do not believe Lance or Jonathon need to say anything. Once Landis shifted the truth in gear there is no stopping the steamroller of truth!

 

[richwagmn]

Sounds like Garmin is going to do the right thing (or trying). Confess if you did something, and you can still ride with us. If we catch you lying, you're done.

I'd love to see a general amnesty given in some way to those who'll come clean. I have no idea if it'd even happen. Seems like there's a brotherhood amongst pro riders that can't be broken.

However, if other's start cooperating, we may see the dominoes fall.

 

[BroDeal]

Sounds like Garmin is going to do the right thing (or trying). Confess if you did something, and you can still ride with us. If we catch you lying, you're done.

I'd love to see a general amnesty given in some way to those who'll come clean. I have no idea if it'd even happen. Seems like there's a brotherhood amongst pro riders that can't be broken.

However, if other's start cooperating, we may see the dominoes fall.

Another way to look at Garmin's statement is that the management does not want any appearance of pressuring riders not to talk that could be construed as witness tampering. They will leave it up to the individual riders.

If they really wanted to help then Vaughters himself would be helping.

 

[VeloCity]

If they really wanted to help then Vaughters himself would be helping.

I'd give it some time. I have no doubt that there's a lot of folks consulting with their lawyers, families, each other, etc about what to do/what not to do, as the case may be.

 

[Benotti69]

Sounds like Garmin is going to do the right thing (or trying). Confess if you did something, and you can still ride with us. If we catch you lying, you're done.

I'd love to see a general amnesty given in some way to those who'll come clean. I have no idea if it'd even happen. Seems like there's a brotherhood amongst pro riders that can't be broken.

However, if other's start cooperating, we may see the dominoes fall.

an amnesty will only work if there are controls to catch them if they cheat...the italians grow up in a society where cheating is rife in everyday life....i know what i am talking about i live here in Italy, red lights mean very little if you can break them, Italian cyclists do not stop for traffic lights, only the pro cyclists where helmets are compulsory wear them, all other Italian cyclists ignore them.....

i agree an amnesty would be great, but it needs recognition from the big tours as well, that what they are asking cyclists to race is nearly impossible, be better if they toured the first part of the stage and raced the last hour, but these are huge steps that need to be agreed across the board....hinault would tell the peleton when it was time to race and when it wasn't

 

[Benotti69]

I'd give it some time. I have no doubt that there's a lot of folks consulting with their lawyers, families, each other, etc about what to do/what not to do, as the case may be.

Vaughter's father is a lawyer and an extremely moralistic one apparently....so one hopes something got passed on...

 

[richwagmn]

Another way to look at Garmin's statement is that the management does not want any appearance of pressuring riders not to talk that could be construed as witness tampering. They will leave it up to the individual riders.

If they really wanted to help then Vaughters himself would be helping.

Fair enough. However, I haven't heard a similar statement from Bruyneel.

So far Team Sky and Garmin are at least saying the right things.

Yes, I'm cynical too. But you never know...

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Gamin's statement is a gateway to "allow" the riders/staff come forward and not lose thier jobs.

Not sure how that jives with UCI regs but if USADA offers a very short suspension or an actual amnesty, then I'd expect DZ and CVV to sing like canaries. They may not even have to "admit" publicly, if the testimony remains sealed.