Disturbing Horner interview

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Damiano Machiavelli said:
I nominate this as dumbest post of the week.
Have to agree with you. It shows how unprofessional professional cycling is. Teams spend all their time arguing about radio use on the basis of safety and protecting riders and here they are putting concussed riders back on bikes, or in the case of boonen starting a stage while vomiting. It's appalling, in rugby or football u would be out without discussion people die from these types of injuries. However in cycling we have managers placing riders at risk because of the commercial imperative. Don't tell me the riders choose, they need protection and shouldn't be allowed to. I always admire the tenacity of a rider who gets back up and gets going with a few cuts n bruises but this is just wrong. Dangers of concussion are well known, but yet again we see how in the dark ages cycling is when it comes down to people management and the duty of care.
 
He is not starting today, according to JB.

JohanBruyneel JohanBruyneel
Update on @hornerakg: doing much better, 2nd head scan ok. Broken nose & big haematoma on right calf. No start. Wish him a speedy recovery.


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Good to hear. Was expected. Sorry for the guy, he does come across as a exceedingly nice fellow, no matter the rest. Hope he can make something out of the rest of his season.
 
Allthough I was realllly looking forward to see him in the mountains this year I'm really happy they took him out of the race.

He obviously has an rather bad concussion and if he would ride on that would be completely crazy. The fact they let Boonen ride for 2 more days was ridiculous as well.
 
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altogether disturbing indeed. for some reason the video hit me hard and the VS coverage was painful especially the pre stage interview when Chris himself said that his mom texted him to stay safe that morning..... not sure I even want to ride tomorrow myself

goodspeed chris

thoughts and prayers
 
Big disappointment here too. But glad he's stepped down from the race. Sucks that he's crashed at some of the least opportune times in some of the biggest races, but that TOC win is looking like a great achievement at this point.
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
Big disappointment here too. But glad he's stepped down from the race. Sucks that he's crashed at some of the least opportune times in some of the biggest races, but that TOC win is looking like a great achievement at this point.
Indeed. Let's hope for Chris that he can focus on the Vuelta now.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Big disappointment here too. But glad he's stepped down from the race. Sucks that he's crashed at some of the least opportune times in some of the biggest races, but that TOC win is looking like a great achievement at this point.
Which rates with the tour of turkey and the tour of malaysia. For the work he's done over the years he deserves better.
 
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VeloGirl said:
And let's not forget Boonen. His concussion may not have been that obvious during the stage - fine, but at the hotel....he was throwing up, had sensitivity to light and sound and had a bad headache. He should have been at the hospital as well.
When Johnny Hoogerland has more sense than the DS and teamdoctors there's something wrong in cycling.
 
Does the doctor have authority to demand that a rider stop? Does he have authority to do anything other than recommend and persuade?

And how much confidence would he have had that the ASO would defend him against the wrath of some of the more outspoken, and potentially litigious, team managers?

Was there communication between the doctor's car and that of the team managemment?

craig1985 said:
Yeah but if you have a serious crash/accident in the UK, ..., and you don't speak English, or at least your fluency isn't that great, how many doctors are you going to find that speak another language?
Maybe you don't have much experience of the staff profile in the NHS ;)
 
Armchair cyclist said:
Does the doctor have authority to demand that a rider stop? Does he have authority to do anything other than recommend and persuade?

And how much confidence would he have had that the ASO would defend him against the wrath of some of the more outspoken, and potentially litigious, team managers?

Was there communication between the doctor's car and that of the team managemment?

Maybe you don't have much experience of the staff profile in the NHS ;)
The race doctor situated a ambulance behind Hornor for the remaining 25km. She was worried for him.
 
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dlwssonic said:
its really sad to see chris horner like that. really. but he kinda sounds like a cowboy.
It was kind of tragic, and just hope the guy is OK and with no lasting damage. He was like a hillbilly on acid but on a bike and not a horse.
 
the delgados said:
As is yours. Can I come live with you? Mom says it's past my bedtime.
If it Was 'The Delgado' (Singular) I'd consider it after a deep background check. But it's really that 's' on the end of Delgado that was your ultimate downfall.

PS (AGAIN): And by the way, versus (which means EPIC FAIL in English) did not ask him if he should have pulled Horner from the race immediately yesterday or if he regretted not pulling him and of course the blowhard expressed no regret or shame on his own and actually said it was the hematoma that kept Horner from starting and not a severe concussion! Let the rubbing of salt begin. JB, you had a night to sleep on it and you STILL can't stop from being a horse's @ss. You not only deserve the piling on you get, you invite it.

Has anyone seen any hardball questions asked of Radio Shack staff in any real media over their thinking? (links please)
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
Does the doctor have authority to demand that a rider stop? Does he have authority to do anything other than recommend and persuade?

And how much confidence would he have had that the ASO would defend him against the wrath of some of the more outspoken, and potentially litigious, team managers?

Was there communication between the doctor's car and that of the team managemment?

Maybe you don't have much experience of the staff profile in the NHS ;)
I've never been to the doctors in England, so no, I wouldn't.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Big disappointment here too. But glad he's stepped down from the race. Sucks that he's crashed at some of the least opportune times in some of the biggest races, but that TOC win is looking like a great achievement at this point.
That's a good perspective. Chris has not had what you'd call a stellar career filled with wins, even tho he's had a good career. But it's nice he got the ToC win before he retires. (I'm not saying he is retiring either... just at age 39 that day must be getting close)
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
Does the doctor have authority to demand that a rider stop? Does he have authority to do anything other than recommend and persuade? QUOTE]

Matt Rendall mentioned on twitter that they can only advise they are not allowed to make them stop
 
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Califer Hill said:
Armchair cyclist said:
Does the doctor have authority to demand that a rider stop? Does he have authority to do anything other than recommend and persuade?
Matt Rendall mentioned on twitter that they can only advise they are not allowed to make them stop
I think the fact that the race doctor arranged for an ambulance with doctor on board to accompany Horner to the finish indicates what he would have done if he'd had the authority. Bruyneel is the only one who could have stopped Horner. He ought to be ashamed of himself.
 

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ggusta said:
If it Was 'The Delgado' (Singular) I'd consider it after a deep background check. But it's really that 's' on the end of Delgado that was your ultimate downfall.

PS (AGAIN): And by the way, versus (which means EPIC FAIL in English) did not ask him if he should have pulled Horner from the race immediately yesterday or if he regretted not pulling him and of course the blowhard expressed no regret or shame on his own and actually said it was the hematoma that kept Horner from starting and not a severe concussion! Let the rubbing of salt begin. JB, you had a night to sleep on it and you STILL can't stop from being a horse's @ss. You not only deserve the piling on you get, you invite it.

Has anyone seen any hardball questions asked of Radio Shack staff in any real media over their thinking? (links please)
As a sorts manager would a coach pull a quarterback out of the super bowl after a hard sacking.? would the coach be required to answer to the fans of football. curious that in cycling there are so many armchair quarterbacks. as far as Horner or any other hardcore veteran top tier cyclists go they would not volunteeringly withdrawal from the worlds' greatest cycling event.
horner wold have likely started if not for his leg injury.
 
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Just seen this...really insane to let someone in that state continue, even if it is for 'just' 25 Ks. The fact is that a rider always will try to get up on his bike, sometimes they have to be protected. I mean, we just seen what happened to Soler, who after a crash got bakc on his bike to pass out a couple of Ks later. Shouldn't they have learned something from that?
 
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Bruyneel gave a short interview to Dutch tv before the start of today's stage, during which he said that Horner would be staying in hospital 'for observation', but that his mind was 'back to normal'. It wasn't entirely clear to me if that meant that Horner had gotten his 'lost' memory back, or if he was simply lucid in the present.

Either way it's positive news, and I echo all those who hope he can do something special in the Vuelta.
 
Amsterhammer said:
Bruyneel gave a short interview to Dutch tv before the start of today's stage, during which he said that Horner would be staying in hospital 'for observation', but that his mind was 'back to normal'. It wasn't entirely clear to me if that meant that Horner had gotten his 'lost' memory back, or if he was simply lucid in the present.

Either way it's positive news, and I echo all those who hope he can do something special in the Vuelta.
Somehow I am having doubts about what comes out of Bruyneel's mouth.

Sure hope Chris IS really back to normal and not just spew from JB.
 

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