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Descender said:No what? You mean you don't like cycling? You don't like women?
I'm being facetious of course. I have to admit I've never seen a women's race, but I have no reason to think it shouldn't be as exciting or as boring as men's races.
About the argument about their not being the best of the best, well I'd say inasmuch as it is correct, it is irrelevant, and inasmuch as it is relevant, it is incorrect.
I don't like to watch women's cycling. I basically watch only the worlds and olympic RR. Women's road racing has the same problem as many of other sports. The competition is very small. I think it's very weird a 53 year old can compete (massive clinical boosts included) for the win. For example i don't like the fact that women get the same prize money as the men in grands slam tennis, while men's matches are about 2-5 times longer. I like to watch the best athletes, and with the women it's kinda weird when there's so little competition and knowing about all men pro's would beat that.
Why don't women play 5 set matches in tennis? Why is the women's road race not even 200 km? Because the gaps get bigger and bigger and it is shown that sometimes, women's sports are kind of a farce
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Red Rick said:
Female tennis is a lot more competitive than female cycling. Men still earn a lot more money than female tennis players, so your argument is sort of invalid even if the price money is equal these days. Prize money is not the main source of income for tennis players.
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simo1733 said:
Sadly the first womens league game featuring Arsenal (the best ladies team) only attracted about 600 people to watch them play at Borehamwood.
But! They are getting there!
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I don't know enough about it and it's not on the box enough to really allow me to get to know more. That said, I really enjoyed the women's road race in the Olympics, watched every second of it. I voted 'no', but that's more because I feel I watch enough men's racing as it is.
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The Hitch said:I think back to serena Williams crushing sharapova in the olympic final. Went to take a **** got back and it was 5-0 already.
So much more competitive
Yeah, the current state of female tennis is pretty crappy, something I've already said in other threads(I think the Nadal thread in the clinic).
Back in the day of Henin the state of tennis was very competitive. Now with Clijsters retired(not that she did much this year because she's so injury prone) female tennis is at a low level with only Serena Williams. Sharapova sometimes has a flash of brilliance, but she's not really consistent.
Yes. But I'll qualify that by saying I don't see enough women's road racing. Women's 'cross on the other hand is equally if not more skilful and entertaining than men's racing.
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I like cycling. The downside of women's cycling is that it doesn't get enough air time to get to know the riders. In a WT men's cycling race, almost every name rings a bell; in women's cycling not so much. Of course, there's Vos, Pooley, Arndt and the likes, but there are a lot of names on the first page of the UCI individual ranking that I don't know (top 40). There's no name on the men's WorldTour Ranking I don't know.
There's a difference, right there. In a men's race, you know every team, every rider, you have emotions about them.
But I do love watching an exciting women's race.
There's a difference, right there. In a men's race, you know every team, every rider, you have emotions about them.
But I do love watching an exciting women's race.
- Jul 10, 2010
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Can't see ?
This thread is hilarious. Mainly, people making comments about things they don’t understand, to make them feel secure in their unfounded prejudices . “Women’s football is getting there”. What ? Does nobody understand ? Let’s get that airbrush out and change history. If you go back to the 1940’s the crowds for Women’s football in the UK were enormous. They would sell out Wembley. Why did it fail post war? As the recent Olympics has shown, it has nothing to do with the product. As another poster stated on another thread – “in the main, run by men for the benefit of men”. At its most kind, what kills women’s sports is creating a rigged market to protect the recipients of the largesse – the males. More honestly, it is based on misogyny. Is a "Babes on Bikes" thread with nearly 500 pages and more hits than any other thread on this forum a sign of a balanced outlook towards the opposite sex ? The excuses can be wheeled out, “they are not as fast”, “I have watched at least the one race a year that is televised, I have done it, ooouu for at least 2 years now, so I am now a self-proclaimed expert on women’s cycling – let me tell you where they get it wrong !”
Either you think somebody who is black or slanty eyed deserves less money because they don’t fit your ideas and bigotry or they deserve fair access, because they are a human and they think you look abnormal as well.
This web site is appalling. Look at the coverage of the women’s Giro. This site’s corporate sponsors should hang their head’s in shame at the way it treats female cycling. Do they know they sponsor such a biased organisation ? (go on, pull this comment !) When it was Aussie owned, it did a far better job. It might have been Aussie centric but at least we had reports on women's races. “Oh but there is not the interest – it’s the market stupid”. No, it is a rigged market. If you can’t see that, there is no point in describing it, you won’t see what you don’t want to see, it is part of the bigotry.
Women’s cycling is going places right now – backwards. Back in 2002, argument stood that it was more international than the men’s scene. The HP tour in the ‘states, World Cups and tours in Aus, NZ, Canada as well as all the European races. The main peloton shifted around the World. There was a women’s Milan San Remo and women’s Amstel Gold. I could go on. All of these have been destroyed whilst Pat and his pals have legislated seat angles and position and told everyone that they are going to sue Floyd for bringing the sport into disrepute, for telling tales about that nice Lance Armstrong. You couldn’t make it up. It is like Nero putting down his fiddle, ransacking the art gallery & throwing the paintings onto the burning Roman buildings. They have wrecked women's cycling.
Cycling has misogyny legislated in. The men’s kilo, the women’s 500m. The men’s 4000 m pursuit, the women’s 3000m pursuit – right the way through to - Women’s tours can only be 9 day’s long ! Oh better tell Longo she was riding too far when she stood on the Champs in Yellow with Stephen Roche. Yes it did happen. Nearly 25 years ago. Would it happen today? Not in dreaming distance.
In a matter of a couple of years, men destroyed women’s football and put it back 70 years. Sexual apartheid in sport is a most ugly stain on society. Don’t believe me? Have it your way - them blacks, they can’t think. Better not to waste money trying to educate them.
It is sick and it is wrong.
This thread is hilarious. Mainly, people making comments about things they don’t understand, to make them feel secure in their unfounded prejudices . “Women’s football is getting there”. What ? Does nobody understand ? Let’s get that airbrush out and change history. If you go back to the 1940’s the crowds for Women’s football in the UK were enormous. They would sell out Wembley. Why did it fail post war? As the recent Olympics has shown, it has nothing to do with the product. As another poster stated on another thread – “in the main, run by men for the benefit of men”. At its most kind, what kills women’s sports is creating a rigged market to protect the recipients of the largesse – the males. More honestly, it is based on misogyny. Is a "Babes on Bikes" thread with nearly 500 pages and more hits than any other thread on this forum a sign of a balanced outlook towards the opposite sex ? The excuses can be wheeled out, “they are not as fast”, “I have watched at least the one race a year that is televised, I have done it, ooouu for at least 2 years now, so I am now a self-proclaimed expert on women’s cycling – let me tell you where they get it wrong !”
Either you think somebody who is black or slanty eyed deserves less money because they don’t fit your ideas and bigotry or they deserve fair access, because they are a human and they think you look abnormal as well.
This web site is appalling. Look at the coverage of the women’s Giro. This site’s corporate sponsors should hang their head’s in shame at the way it treats female cycling. Do they know they sponsor such a biased organisation ? (go on, pull this comment !) When it was Aussie owned, it did a far better job. It might have been Aussie centric but at least we had reports on women's races. “Oh but there is not the interest – it’s the market stupid”. No, it is a rigged market. If you can’t see that, there is no point in describing it, you won’t see what you don’t want to see, it is part of the bigotry.
Women’s cycling is going places right now – backwards. Back in 2002, argument stood that it was more international than the men’s scene. The HP tour in the ‘states, World Cups and tours in Aus, NZ, Canada as well as all the European races. The main peloton shifted around the World. There was a women’s Milan San Remo and women’s Amstel Gold. I could go on. All of these have been destroyed whilst Pat and his pals have legislated seat angles and position and told everyone that they are going to sue Floyd for bringing the sport into disrepute, for telling tales about that nice Lance Armstrong. You couldn’t make it up. It is like Nero putting down his fiddle, ransacking the art gallery & throwing the paintings onto the burning Roman buildings. They have wrecked women's cycling.
Cycling has misogyny legislated in. The men’s kilo, the women’s 500m. The men’s 4000 m pursuit, the women’s 3000m pursuit – right the way through to - Women’s tours can only be 9 day’s long ! Oh better tell Longo she was riding too far when she stood on the Champs in Yellow with Stephen Roche. Yes it did happen. Nearly 25 years ago. Would it happen today? Not in dreaming distance.
In a matter of a couple of years, men destroyed women’s football and put it back 70 years. Sexual apartheid in sport is a most ugly stain on society. Don’t believe me? Have it your way - them blacks, they can’t think. Better not to waste money trying to educate them.
It is sick and it is wrong.
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I was never really that interested, other than watching the olympics RR. However, in 2010 I happened to be staying on the course of GP Plouay and saw both the men and women's races live. The women's race was great - Pooley attacked pretty much every lap, gradually thinning out the pack until she'd dropped everyone. The men's race the next day was awful. A break went away, got about 15 minutes, whilst the peloton didn't start really racing until the last couple of circuits. Apparently they were upset because the organisers made the race longer. Obviously there are reasons for this - less depth in the women's field, the fact the Plouay isn't a target for the best male one day riders - but since then I've tried to keep an eye on the results, although as it's rarely on TV it's difficult to sustain an interest.
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Freddythefrog said:
Thanks for the history lesson. The key question - how do we get back to the 'good old days'?
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Short but not without pain
Two things.
The UCI have legislated to break it, they need to legislate to make it. Scrap all the imbalances on the track. Male road teams need forced incentives to run women's teams - search the web there are lots of ideas out there,- take your pick, but p-u-s-s-y-footing won't work - "don't be too nasty to the n-i-g-g-e-r-s, give them a slice of cake occasionally", does not work. Incentivise the organisers. Top status events with top points only happens when you incorporate a women's event. For the ideal, see GP Plouay.
Sky need to run a women's team. Not because they will do it better or bigger but because, as a consequence, it will get disempower the misogynists in control of scheduling e.g. - instead of buying up the rights for Plouay and stopping the French TV channel showing the race live, (as the French channel has done in the past, over several years), and yet being a "dog in the manger" and not showing anything of the women's race - (and yet they can find time on the schedule to show the men only - sprint challenge ! - 200m up a line of cones and back again) , if Sky have a women's team, their PR dept will promote it in the rest of the media, like they have the men's team. We will get the stories on the riders, and their rivals, to give us empathy and background, as well as continuity.
The Sky thing is the easier bit. There will be one hell of a lot of squealing about the first part. There are some seriously un-hinged views out there. They rival the Lance Fan boys - he has never tested positive, he must be the next messiah - for holding faith in spite of any facts, apart from the ones that come to them in dreams, of course.
Two things.
The UCI have legislated to break it, they need to legislate to make it. Scrap all the imbalances on the track. Male road teams need forced incentives to run women's teams - search the web there are lots of ideas out there,- take your pick, but p-u-s-s-y-footing won't work - "don't be too nasty to the n-i-g-g-e-r-s, give them a slice of cake occasionally", does not work. Incentivise the organisers. Top status events with top points only happens when you incorporate a women's event. For the ideal, see GP Plouay.
Sky need to run a women's team. Not because they will do it better or bigger but because, as a consequence, it will get disempower the misogynists in control of scheduling e.g. - instead of buying up the rights for Plouay and stopping the French TV channel showing the race live, (as the French channel has done in the past, over several years), and yet being a "dog in the manger" and not showing anything of the women's race - (and yet they can find time on the schedule to show the men only - sprint challenge ! - 200m up a line of cones and back again) , if Sky have a women's team, their PR dept will promote it in the rest of the media, like they have the men's team. We will get the stories on the riders, and their rivals, to give us empathy and background, as well as continuity.
The Sky thing is the easier bit. There will be one hell of a lot of squealing about the first part. There are some seriously un-hinged views out there. They rival the Lance Fan boys - he has never tested positive, he must be the next messiah - for holding faith in spite of any facts, apart from the ones that come to them in dreams, of course.
Freddythefrog said:
People don't care about women's cycling => people don't read the reports on women's cycling => cyclingnews stops writing reports on women's cycling => people care even less about women's cycling
I don't think it's cyclingnews job to write reports that almost no one reads, about races almost no ones following.
It's a sad state of affairs that people finds men's sport so much better than women's sport, but it's not cyclingnews' fault.
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Absolutely
You got it right - people just don't like watching little yellow people do stuff.
No one cares.
See here at http://www.lawnmower.news we have a thread - yellow people with nearly no clothes on, draped over the latest Webb, 14" cylinder, 4 stroke - you know the one with the titanium chain drive. Now that is fun. Sweat running down the chest, bent over the manual petrol enrichment knob. Phew ! That is the thread to see and find out about little yellow people. Of course they do decent take aways as well, ok in the kitchen, you see.
mb2612 said:
You got it right - people just don't like watching little yellow people do stuff.
No one cares.
See here at http://www.lawnmower.news we have a thread - yellow people with nearly no clothes on, draped over the latest Webb, 14" cylinder, 4 stroke - you know the one with the titanium chain drive. Now that is fun. Sweat running down the chest, bent over the manual petrol enrichment knob. Phew ! That is the thread to see and find out about little yellow people. Of course they do decent take aways as well, ok in the kitchen, you see.
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mb2612 said:
50% of CN articles are from Australian/English crit races or whatever no one has ever heard about.
I care about women's cycling (even though television coverage is f**king awful and race reports of either cycling...no thanks), and funnily enough don't care for people who leave hilarious eye-rolling comments.
Plus the poll would read different if the 'women's vote' wasn't divided.
men
Plus the poll would read different if the 'women's vote' wasn't divided.
men
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WillemS said:
Are the three you mentioned actually making a living at it? In the u.s. Most of the international talent is funded if at all. At last year's WC they showed a wheel change and the rider still had lawyer tips.
I think that the uci is part of the problem with women's racing. They are set up for one men's road racing super-expensive broadcast production and that's it.
Women's racing to me is believable. The attacks clearly hurt like they do in real life, like they did pre-epo.
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well the sideburned one cares
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9549351/Bradley-Wiggins-wants-to-invest-in-a-cycling-team-for-Britains-women.html
Have a word with Stef Wyman at onethedrops.com then wiggo
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9549351/Bradley-Wiggins-wants-to-invest-in-a-cycling-team-for-Britains-women.html
Have a word with Stef Wyman at onethedrops.com then wiggo
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