Does Contador have what it takes, MENTALY, to be a consistant champion??

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Mellow Velo - looks like you hit it on the nose

(All the OP does is not like Contador, distort everything to fit that, then claim perception is truth.)

 

[Luis Ocaña]

Prime Lance > Conit
Prime Ullrich > Andy
Basso > Frank

And how many times Lance rode against the best Ullrich? Twice? Ullrich was more talented than Lance, but he never really took out the maximum of his potential.

Why do you compare Basso with Frank? Basso was Lance's biggest contender for 2 years (together with Kloden in 2004), Frank never was and never will be Contador's. Andy is, and it's pretty obvious who is the better, Basso or Andy...

 

[Mellow Velo]

Prime Lance > Conti
Prime Ullrich > Andy
Basso > Frank

OK, Lets take this on face value for once and look at how the Palmares stack up, for the respective Tour top 5s
Forget 1999, which had an extremely weak field and 2005 for repetition sake.

Armstrong's opposition:
2000
1 Lance Armstrong
2 Jan Ullrich (double GT winner multiple podiums, ORR)
3 Joseba Beloki (best result ever, see below)
4 Christophe Moreau (Uuuum the Dauphine and French champ2007)
5 Roberto Heras (FUTURE triple GT winner bought off)
2001
1 Lance Armstrong
2 Jan Ullrich
3 Joseba Beloki
4 Andrei Kivilev (sad, but who?)
5 Igor Gonzalez De Galdeano (ha ha good ol Igor)
2002
1 Lance Armstrong
2 Joseba Beloki (best ever result)
3 Raimondas Rumsas ( Best ever result, doper for hire)
4 Santiago Botero ( a polka dot jersey, once and a world ITT champ)
5 Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano (yes, him again)
2003
1 Lance Armstrong
2 Jan Ullrich
3 Alexandre Vinokourov (winner of a GT, twice LBL, AGR)
4 Tyler Hamilton (2nd in a Giro, riding with a broken CB)
5 Haimar Zubeldia (equal best ever result)
2004
1 Lance Armstrong
2 Andreas Klöden (best ever result, domestique for hire)
3 Ivan Basso (double Giro winner)
4 Jan Ullrich
5 Jose Azevedo (team mate!)

For Bertie only the 2 Tours he didn't win while still eligible for the young rider competitions, which is something in itself.

Alberto Contador
2009
1 Alberto Contador
2 Andy Schleck (RU in 3GTs LBL winner)
3 Lance Armstrong (7 times TdF champ)
4 Bradley Wiggins (err.....well, OK you win, here)
5 Frank Schleck (classics man great pedigree when on the bike, ITT weak)
2010
1 Alberto Contador
2 Andy Schleck
3 Denis Menchov (triple GT champ)
4 Samuel Sánchez (Olympic RR champ multiple GT podiums)
5 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (on the rise)

Some pretty weak oppostion for Lance, besides the obvious, IMO.
2002 was a joke.

 

[henryg]

Prime Lance > Conti
Prime Ullrich > Andy
Basso > Frank

(Prime Lance, Ullrich, Basso) -EPO < Alberto, Andy, Denis

 

[M Sport]

(Prime Lance, Ullrich, Basso) -EPO < Alberto, Andy, Denis

I prefer to sort it like this ...

Alberto

<daylight>

Denis >Lance

Andy could be > Jan or Ivan when he wins some GT's

 

[SpeedWay]

Thanks for the great thread Belokki. You dragged em kick'en and scream'in to 100+ posts. Here I thought the entertainment was over until their obsession returns to the states. They claim it's a stupid thread but yet they post, post , post. Once again - Bravo.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Im not questioning his record! Im questioning his opposition!

Ah, once you're reminded of what really counts (actually winning the TdF or the Giro or the Vuelta or any other event)... now it's the rest of the riders who are at fault.

Right, I see where this is going: If Alberto is winning is because of many things: 1) the course is too easy, 2) the opposition is not "what it used to be", 3) the Giro and the Vuelta are a lot harder, 4) he is Spanish so he must be doped while everyone else is not, et cetera.

I can see where this is going.

He rode aggainst bums and relics so far, this year he faced a rider with an actuall pulse, he suffered

The only reason Alberto only put 30 some odd second on Andy is because he was not at 100%. This was so apparent from the first mountain stage Stevie Wonder would've said "Boy, did I see that one coming!".

On the issue of bums and opinions, which are like assholes by the way: everybody's got one... Let me clear something out for you, since you seem to be of the stubborn kind: Alberto contador has beaten a Lance Armstrong twice (the first time Lance admitted he was very close to the form he had during his last TdF), Basso, Menchov, Vinokourov (who chose to ride for him, that tells you something), Leipheimer, Riccó, Di Luca, et cetera. He's beaten everyone from the past and present. You may argue that the crowd from years past is not at the same level, but that's an opinion, not a fact.

the opposition will be harder for him from now on, does he have an ATGs will and continue winning like Hinault, HHMNBN, Eddie, or will he crumble aggainst the first real opponent he faces and just be an overhyped bust...

But you're contradicting yourself here dude, how can you be "overhyped" if you've won 5 grand tours. What is it you do not understand? It's like asking for wet water. You make no sense. I don't get why you're making such intensely dumb observations.

As for him coming up with the chops to what? Win? He's already done that. I suspect you're talking about dominating the opposition... Wait, he's beaten everyone out there... What else can you pin on the guy? Even the Versus crowd conceded to the obvious today and acknowledged that Andy may not get an opportunity again like the one he had this year (with Alberto showing up at less than 95%).

Alberto did what every champion does: Find a way to win. End of story.

Comparing Eddie Merckx to anyone else is unfair because Eddie's the best (and will most likely be) in the history of the sport.

 

[Señor_Contador]

la's retirement has absolutely nothing to do with contador that statement makes no sense.

It sure does.

One of the reasons Lance is retiring this year has a name: Alberto Contador.

The Spaniard got in the Texan's head. Lance knows there's nothing he can do about that. I'm sorry, there is: RE-TI-RE.

If the Texan kept on going after Alberto he would've most likely ended up in the fetal position, mumbling nonsense, looking for his mother's tit.

 

[Señor_Contador]

His opposition was medicore, until now...
Im not blaming him for anything, Im just curious on how he does aggainst riders of his own level...
Rivalries, complex carachter, suffering, and winning aggainst all ods make athletes great, not walkovers!

Let me ask you something: ARE YOU BASQUE?

 

[Ferminal]

Questioning his opposition?

Which top cyclists racing at the time but missing from the GTs could have beaten him in any of his GT wins?

 

[Señor_Contador]

Considering he also mispelled Beloki, both of those should have been sure signs to proceed with caution.

Cierto, aunque dudo mucho que scribe sepa cómo se escribe Beloki. Esta gente va de catedráticos de inglés y no entienden una puñetera palabra en otro idioma.

Bien lo describe el dicho: "La ignorancia es atrevida".

 

[Belokki]

It sure does.

One of the reasons Lance is retiring this year has a name: Alberto Contador.

The Spaniard got in the Texan's head. Lance knows there's nothing he can do about that. I'm sorry, there is: RE-TI-RE.

If the Texan kept on going after Alberto he would've most likely ended up in the fetal position, mumbling nonsense, looking for his mother's tit.

so being 39 has nothing to do with it??

 

[Belokki]

Ah, once you're reminded of what really counts (actually winning the TdF or the Giro or the Vuelta or any other event)... now it's the rest of the riders who are at fault.

Right, I see where this is going: If Alberto is winning is because of many things: 1) the course is too easy, 2) the opposition is not "what it used to be", 3) the Giro and the Vuelta are a lot harder, 4) he is Spanish so he must be doped while everyone else is not, et cetera.

I can see where this is going.



The only reason Alberto only put 30 some odd second on Andy is because he was not at 100%. This was so apparent from the first mountain stage Stevie Wonder would've said "Boy, did I see that one coming!".

On the issue of bums and opinions, which are like assholes by the way: everybody's got one... Let me clear something out for you, since you seem to be of the stubborn kind: Alberto contador has beaten a Lance Armstrong twice (the first time Lance admitted he was very close to the form he had during his last TdF), Basso, Menchov, Vinokourov (who chose to ride for him, that tells you something), Leipheimer, Riccó, Di Luca, et cetera. He's beaten everyone from the past and present. You may argue that the crowd from years past is not at the same level, but that's an opinion, not a fact.



But you're contradicting yourself here dude, how can you be "overhyped" if you've won 5 grand tours. What is it you do not understand? It's like asking for wet water. You make no sense. I don't get why you're making such intensely dumb observations.

As for him coming up with the chops to what? Win? He's already done that. I suspect you're talking about dominating the opposition... Wait, he's beaten everyone out there... What else can you pin on the guy? Even the Versus crowd conceded to the obvious today and acknowledged that Andy may not get an opportunity again like the one he had this year (with Alberto showing up at less than 95%).

Alberto did what every champion does: Find a way to win. End of story.

Comparing Eddie Merckx to anyone else is unfair because Eddie's the best (and will most likely be) in the history of the sport.

is that a face of an all time great?? NO!
Its easy to be the best and dominate when your biggest opponents are bums...
The heat is turning up, opposition is getting better,he just started his first rivalry, past greats fought/suffered trough and won... we will se if mr. Conti is the man he is hyped up to be...

 

[Señor_Contador]

so being 39 has nothing to do with it??

Do you want me to give you my honest opinion? Lance, at his bestest best, not even on his Alpe D'Huez lookey hiah day (the one that gets Phil and Paul's nipples hard with excitement), would've been able to follow neither Andy nor Alberto up any decent col. Armstrong would've certainly been unable to drop them in the mountains.

Many sources have written about Alberto's ascent of Verbier and agree on the fact that it is the fastest recorded rate of ascent of any human being in any race.

Furthermore, had Pantani not gone through his problems I truly believe he would've beaten Lance eventually. Needless to say the Italian was... let's just say "suspiciously" and "coincidentally" dragged into obscurity, and ultimately death, by some seriously maccabre and suspect set of circumstances. And I won't put any blame on any one. I'll just leave it at that.

Answer my question: ARE YOU A BASQUE?

 

[M Sport]

That to me looks like the face of someone who has won five GT's.

A feat that only 9 other riders have done.

A feat that only one other has done at the age of 27.

It's the face of someone that has won all three GT's, only 4 others have done that.

At 27.

 

[Belokki]

Do you want me to give you my honest opinion?
Answer my question: ARE YOU A BASQUE?

no!...I dont even understand spanish...

 

[Señor_Contador]

is that a face of an all time great?? NO!
Its easy to be the best and dominate when your biggest opponents are bums...
The heat is turning up, opposition is getting better,he just started his first rivalry, past greats fought/suffered trough and won... we will se if mr. Conti is the man he is hyped up to be...

To me that looks like a guy who's jusy opened up a can of:

 

[Señor_Contador]

is that a face of an all time great?? NO!
Its easy to be the best and dominate when your biggest opponents are bums...
The heat is turning up, opposition is getting better,he just started his first rivalry, past greats fought/suffered trough and won... we will se if mr. Conti is the man he is hyped up to be...

To me that looks like a guy who's jusy opened up a can of:

Ain't nothing but a peanut baaaaaaby!

 

[Belokki]

To me that looks like a guy who's jusy opened up a can of:

Ain't nothing but a peanut baaaaaaby!

lol! Nuts from a nuthugger

 

[Paco_P]

so being 39 has nothing to do with it??

Nothing at all. He never tested positive.

 

[Paco_P]

And how many times Lance rode against the best Ullrich? Twice? Ullrich was more talented than Lance, but he never really took out the maximum of his potential.

He was not quite as prepared as was Lance.

 

[Señor_Contador]

lol! Nuts from a nuthugger

 

[saganftw]

Do you want me to give you my honest opinion? Lance, at his bestest best, not even on his Alpe D'Huez lookey hiah day (the one that gets Phil and Paul's nipples hard with excitement), would've been able to follow neither Andy nor Alberto up any decent col. Armstrong would've certainly been unable to drop them in the mountains.

the numbers prove you wrong,check the clinic threads

Many sources have written about Alberto's ascent of Verbier and agree on the fact that it is the fastest recorded rate of ascent of any human being in any race.

wrong santiago perez was faster 2004 vuelta (he was busted for doping later so its not valid number)

 

[henryg]

is that a face of an all time great?? NO!
Its easy to be the best and dominate when your biggest opponents are bums...

Contador's average speed in last years Tour was faster then Lance in 4 of his 7 wins. Does that make Armstrong a "bum" as well? Your rants have zero relation to reality.

 

[Belokki]

Contador's average speed in last years Tour was faster then Lance in 4 of his 7 wins. Does that make Armstrong a "bum" as well? Your rants have zero relation to reality.

every tour is different

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