Does the UCI suit worry some that they

[131313]

Did you miss the part(s) where Landis didn't show up? Did you miss Landis speaking about the charges on websites and magazines? The Swiss didn't drop the ball, the balls never made it to the courtroom. Landis is a flake, he has done something similar with every part of his life post dope conviction. It started with I must have got a chemical reaction to Jack Daniels and it will probably end with that also.

umm...you're pretty much proved my point. The UCI aren't going after anyone who can mount a defense (or so they thought). I'm not really sure what else you're prattling on about...

 

[fatandfast]

Did you miss the part about Hein saying they couldn't find Landis to file the case and all of sudden a judgement was made?

He's also standing up and telling the truth. Something Livestronger is working through on party drugs at age 40 but still in denial. Weak.

I would say that you are not paying to close attention to recent photos of both fallen dopers. Lance has gone full on reinvent,with videos,lectures,racing guy is out there doing positive things,post doping. The way he looks on his bike in his latest half ironman would lead one to believe that he is taking care of himself,post doping. Lance maybe in denial but he hardly looks weak

Landis looks like the guy that sweeps up after a Pearl Jam show looking for discarded picks and roaches. There was nothing all the sudden about any of this, he was talking smack to NeilBrowne and others.

After his ballbash in San Diego on the 24th of August his latest unlucky number
is $478,354..no coins. That the judge was cool with him and left him out of jail to pay it back has gone almost unreported. You know what you call a guy convicted in France,Switzerland and the US of crimes in one year? A f-ckin looooser.

When Gerlach was on Intervention he had a chance to make some cash after completely f-cking everything up. Now it's Landis's turn. Call A&E tell them a lowball number and start shooting asap.

The show can go something like this take the 478,354 and start deducting repayments. Align the repaid cash with a donor and have Landis hand a check to the man,woman or child that he originally bilked the cash from on his original Tour d BS. The show will be on for years at his rate of repayment based on Nascar winnings

McQuaid is lying, I found Landis's address on my first inquiry

 

[sniper]

My take on the UCI suit against Landis is that it really symbolizes the beginning of the end for those in charge at the UCI, and that after mid-October then end is going to come pretty swiftly.

It's a move that really smacks of loud desperation: suing someone to "protect your integrity", someone who you KNOW isn't going to , and can't mount a defense. The UCI aren't going out and suing other people who are saying the same thing, people with the means to protect themselves (like, say, LeMond--as CN pointed out today). Instead they go after a guy living out of tent and an unemployed journalists. Oops...unemployed journalist now has over 50K in his defense war chest, and still counting...and a now high-profile case that some fancy lawyers will take just for good PR since so much attention has been brought to the case. Bet Pat and Hein didn't see that one coming...

By going after what they perceive as the weak while ignoring the strong just reinforces their own position as rats on a sinking ship. To me, it demonstrates that they're pretty much done.

The challenge will be putting in people who aren't carbon copies of what's leaving, and changing the methods by which people get that power in the first place, to avoid the same thing from happening down the road. I think one of the key things in this is that the UCI has to be incorporated in a country that actually has laws. Sorry Switzerland, but you seem to be designed to harbor wealthy corrupt organizations and individuals. You've failed massively on this one.

one can only wonder what on earth phat and verdrug'em thought they could win by filing these two lawsuits.
this was always going to be a loose-loose situation.
hard to believe they're that stupid, but apparently they are.

 

[cathulu]

A ha! So McQuaid is a lying POS!

I think that UCI needs to be seen in a positive light. All of this extreme negative attention should and indeed will result in change. They can be corrupt but when the stench of corruption is so bad we sing it to the high heavens like now, heads will roll. Pat just can't keep it together and will go down the toilet with Verdruggen, that is my prediction and what I hope for. Corruption will alleviate to a tolerable level in the aftermath.

 

[Benotti69]

angry rant at the man who brought Armstrong down

Still making it obvious that your are angy at Landis for destroying your hero.

have yellow smiley

 

[D-Queued]

A ha! So McQuaid is a lying POS!

I think that UCI needs to be seen in a positive light. All of this extreme negative attention should and indeed will result in change. They can be corrupt but when the stench of corruption is so bad we sing it to the high heavens like now, heads will roll. Pat just can't keep it together and will go down the toilet with Verdruggen, that is my prediction and what I hope for. Corruption will alleviate to a tolerable level in the aftermath.

No. Pat is a liar, and he is full of sh!t.

Dave.

 

[fatandfast]

Still making it obvious that your are angy at Landis for destroying your hero.

have yellow smiley

the half million dollar judgement against Landis was lance's fault? I am not saying your wrong. Lance controlled the French,American and Swiss courts while not racing. OMG is that guy a stud,his powers have no limits.

If there is a public record of when Landis makes payments I will try and find it and keep you up to date. At the end of crushing Pharmstrong Landis will have what he started with ,himself. His self worth will be closely monitored by the court and after the 480,000 dollars are paid back and he reaches zero worth I hope that the French and Swiss have not imposed penalties on his unpaid fines in their countries. If so it will take him that much longer to reach zero. Also if there is a public record of those who have asked for their money back,maybe they can comment after Landis gives them payment, he was just in court a couple of Friday's ago so maybe the Coinstar is busted near his house. Maybe he can ask Lance to wash his time trial bike,or the one he uses in San Diego.
I will bet that when Landis rolls out of bed Friday morning he winks at himself and says " I got him".

If Landis can make an extra $24,000 per year he will be able to pay back the money he stole in 20 years. His hip will probably need re-bushing about then . May I also suggest to CN editors that they have a "Where are they now?" section for all the Lancegate players.
By then Zabriskie and Levi will have merged companies and the ball bag cream will come in an around the neck dog tag dispenser. CVV will work directly for Garmin selling GPS units at Best Buy.
Tyler will be teaching yoga to students in Missoula.
This is as close to scorched earth as it gets in bike racing. I think we will need updates on the question "was it worth it?" to all those involved.

 

[DirtyWorks]

will the US Legal System accept WADC rewrite to circumvent Home Law

No. Not ever. As in never. It cuts to the core of the sovereign's source of power/authority.

...ignores the Athletes own statutory rights and some may even argue 'due process' in favour of their own rules.

No again. Emphatically so. USADA's authority and process has been thoroughly tested and probably will again. Every country with a WADA office implements WADA standards within the context of the country's legal system and their budget.

...well as demanding their Scientists sign, as a legally binding agreement as part of their employment conditions, they won’t speak about a doping case publically unless approved by an executive and cannot speak about it publically thereafter for 8 years, that why Ashenden quit.

WADA's more or less funded by the IOC to maintain the appearance of games with minimal cheating. The IOC is 'anti-doping controversy.' WADA is supposed to be an elaborate, largely ineffective advisory body. Once you understand that, then guys that are too good at their anti-doping job have no place in the organization.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The IOC, Denis Oswald, has already said about stripping LA Bronze medal is highly unlikely they will change their records due to the 8 year rule in the Code so it doesn't appear to affect them too much.

Oswald did not say it was "unlikely" - he actually said:
"We haven't been notified of anything, not even from USADA and not from UCI," he said. "For the time being, we are not asked to take a position."

The latest ruling on FL is, I believe, the first significant step in the Political machinations in the USADA/LA matter.

Tygart has been openly recorded of accusing UCI of burying positive tests however having it reported and being filmed saying it are different as FL found out!

He does not need film - he has witness statements, including from Saugay pf the Lausanne lab.

UCI, I believe, had no option other than to say they would not contest the sanctions unless there was something of serious concern which if you are UCI any FL testimony about a cover up or anyone else saying it means UCI have no option other than to defend themselves, ala 2006 Virjam Report when fighting with WADA, something’s never change I suppose!

What? Those are the rules.

For me, the whole thing is warped out of shape by UCI, WADA and USADA all playing hardball and brinksmanship and all trying to work outwith their remit when it suits.

WADA has backed USADA and said they are following the rules - the only one playing anything, is the UCI, we know why.

This biggest issue that I see facing the outcome of the USADA case is will the US Legal System accept WADC rewrite to circumvent Home Law (any Laws in a country where an WADA approved action takes place) and ignores the Athletes own statutory rights and some may even argue 'due process' in favour of their own rules.
Where would the best place to test this, yep, in the US. Win there and you basically win everywhere and every Athlete from every Sport will basically give up if accused as the prospect of fighting is a doomed to failure cause.

Will there ever be harmony between WADA/USADA/UCI I can honestly say NO at the moment and every main player needs to removed from all these organisations and replaced with real individuals who have the best interests of Sport at heart.

UCI are a joke for how we see them running Cycling.

WADA are a joke for believing they can circumvent all Human Rights in favour of their own rules without contest as well as demanding their Scientists sign, as a legally binding agreement as part of their employment conditions, they won’t speak about a doping case publically unless approved by an executive and cannot speak about it publically thereafter for 8 years, that why Ashenden quit.

Ashenden quit because of UCI new rules, not WADAs.

USADA are a joke for cutting Tygarts annual salary and placing him on a performance related pay after which his earning have gone up and the main reason we see such activity from then after the salary change than before.

The IOC must be looking at all of this and think my god how have we managed to create this.

Has a deal been done yet between USADA/WADA/UCI just now, no I don’t believe so but I believe after the FL ruling it shall start and we will likely see the 8 year rule applied and sanctions taken to that point in time, the lifetime ban lifted, the sample testing mooted by USADA binned, UCI receiving approval from USADA/WADA and we shall all move on to the next episode when it all blows up again.

LA will say I don’t care what any of them say I didn’t cheat and continue to do what he does and try to qualify for the 2016 Triathlon Olympics, IOC have a 2 year sanction rule if he still receives a ban that is.

Will I be correct, probably not but I have as much chance as anyone at this moment when we look at the jokers who are actually dealing with the case and from past experience involving UCI that anything can happen! lol.

Sounds more like wishful thing, than anything of substance.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

'...'WADA's more or less funded by the IOC to maintain the appearance of games with minimal cheating. The IOC is 'anti-doping controversy.' WADA is supposed to be an elaborate, largely ineffective advisory body. Once you understand that, then guys that are too good at their anti-doping job have no place in the organization.

More or less is right. Funding is 50/50 between governments and IOC. There are parallels between WADA and the bio passport. Both are initiatives to soothe the masses who complain about doping. But both initiatives have gained staff and support from people who are genuinely anti doping. With the passport, it was Ashenden, within WADA it's Howman/Fahey.

The passport has made progress; some sanctiones came out of it and climbing speeds have fallen. Small but measurable progress. WADA has made progress too. Global rules covering most sports are in place with government support, which has enabled the actions of USADA. These are only baby steps in the right direction, which have little significance in isolation. Instead the significance of these steps lies in the pattern they demonstrate and the opportunity they create for further steps.

The pattern starts with public dissatisfaction with doping. Then the corrupt institutions put in place anti-doping-scandal measures to appease the masses, as a response to market pressure which affects their bottom line. However, people with real integrity get involved in the appeasement measures, so the measures are more effective than intended. The corrupt institutions then try to stiffle the anti doping efforts, but in doing so reveal their true character. People notice, public dissatisfaction grows, the measures to appease the public become increasingly stringent. And back round the loop we go.

If public criticism and scruitiny of the UCI can be maintained, they will crack eventually. What stands most in the way is the people who understand the problem, but won't try to do something about it, because they are looking for a quick fix, instead of looking at the big picture.

 

[cathulu]

the half million dollar judgement against Landis was lance's fault? I am not saying your wrong. Lance controlled the French,American and Swiss courts while not racing. OMG is that guy a stud,his powers have no limits.

If there is a public record of when Landis makes payments I will try and find it and keep you up to date. At the end of crushing Pharmstrong Landis will have what he started with ,himself. His self worth will be closely monitored by the court and after the 480,000 dollars are paid back and he reaches zero worth I hope that the French and Swiss have not imposed penalties on his unpaid fines in their countries. If so it will take him that much longer to reach zero. Also if there is a public record of those who have asked for their money back,maybe they can comment after Landis gives them payment, he was just in court a couple of Friday's ago so maybe the Coinstar is busted near his house. Maybe he can ask Lance to wash his time trial bike,or the one he uses in San Diego.
I will bet that when Landis rolls out of bed Friday morning he winks at himself and says " I got him".

If Landis can make an extra $24,000 per year he will be able to pay back the money he stole in 20 years. His hip will probably need re-bushing about then . May I also suggest to CN editors that they have a "Where are they now?" section for all the Lancegate players.
By then Zabriskie and Levi will have merged companies and the ball bag cream will come in an around the neck dog tag dispenser. CVV will work directly for Garmin selling GPS units at Best Buy.
Tyler will be teaching yoga to students in Missoula.
This is as close to scorched earth as it gets in bike racing. I think we will need updates on the question "was it worth it?" to all those involved.

Man the anger and resentment you carry is heavy.

Honestly, Zabriskie and Levi would probably have ended up in the same place regardless, CVV and Tyler also. What the hell are people supposed to do after bike racing? Answer - whatever they can. Yoga has its perks