Doping In Athletics

[arcus]

How on earth does Coe think he can continue to brazen this out?

 

[sniper]

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How on earth does Coe think he can continue to brazen this out?

you see that often though. German minister of defense (ex-Doctor) Theodor zu Gutenberg was shown to have copy-pasted 50% of his PhD thesis from other sources without acknowledging it. Rampant plagiarism, and the evidence was spread out over the web for all to see. Still clung on to his job until the very last moment, which was when Chancellor Ms. Angela Merker herself told him to resign because he was doing too much reputational damage to his department.

 

[arcus]

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How on earth does Coe think he can continue to brazen this out?

you see that often though. German minister of defense (ex-Doctor) Theodor zu Gutenberg was shown to have copy-pasted 50% of his PhD thesis from other sources without acknowledging it. Rampant plagiarism, and the evidence was spread out over the web for all to see. Still clung on to his job until the very last moment, which was when Chancellor Ms. Angela Merker herself told him to resign because he was doing too much reputational damage to his department.

Yeah, but this is slightly different, since Coe has not been the one in the direct firing line. To me, it's patently obvious that someone who was a senior officer in IAAF while all this skulduggery was going on isn't an appropriate person to run the organization going forward, regardless of their level of complicity. I would think it's as obvious to Coe, which makes me wonder if there are more skeletons in the cupboard, and he feels that by hanging on he can reduce the likelihood of their being exposed.

 

[sniper]

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How on earth does Coe think he can continue to brazen this out?

you see that often though. German minister of defense (ex-Doctor) Theodor zu Gutenberg was shown to have copy-pasted 50% of his PhD thesis from other sources without acknowledging it. Rampant plagiarism, and the evidence was spread out over the web for all to see. Still clung on to his job until the very last moment, which was when Chancellor Ms. Angela Merker herself told him to resign because he was doing too much reputational damage to his department.

Yeah, but this is slightly different, since Coe has not been the one in the direct firing line. To me, it's patently obvious that someone who was a senior officer in IAAF while all this skulduggery was going on isn't an appropriate person to run the organization going forward, regardless of their level of complicity. I would think it's as obvious to Coe, which makes me wonder if there are more skeletons in the cupboard, and he feels that by hanging on he can reduce the likelihood of their being exposed.

yeah. good point.

If it really were all one nasty misunderstanding, I'd have expected him to walk away from the presidency from the moment the Diack-Russia stuff broke, and keep his royal Nike salary as well as some of his honor.

 

[thehog]

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How on earth does Coe think he can continue to brazen this out?

Because the public don't elect him. His own people and federations do. They are not voting him out or about censure him as they are all complicit.

 

[MarkvW]

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How on earth does Coe think he can continue to brazen this out?

Because the public don't elect him. His own people and federations do. They are not voting him out or about censure him as they are all complicit.

Exactly. They are their own insular little world, surrounded by fanboys and girls, dependent lackeys, and co-conspirators.

 

[The Carrot]

Sports organisations are gifts that keep giving in terms of 'comedy'. However, how many fans will stop going to big athletics meets because the ongoing IAAF revelations? I hazard a guess at not many. This poop will never end, but look on the bright side, there will always be a need for the Clinic.

 

[Franklin]

The thing that annoys me the most in sports is how we tend to blame others.

- Russians? EWWWW
- Italians? Cheatorz!
- Spaniards? Are you kidding me?

No, the Anglo Saxon/Northwestern mentality is a the enlightened way to a clean sport. And that's not hyperbole, this is being said in the media for years...

And yet Phonak, Mapei, Telekom, USPS, Rabo, CSC were the big dogs all those years and dirtier than the other teams, not just because of doping but also because of fraud and corruption. Worse, those teams are still around in one way or the other including the staff.

Let's swivel the camera to athletics. The Brittish and Dutch athletes have made a huge perfromance jump both in times as in medals. How does that work again when all those Russians are slurping epo and HGH as softdrink? Are we simply superior people with superior ethics, which translates into better athletes? GTFO.

Or another golden tidbit. We despise the Spanish and Italian government/justice systems as they can't manage to dismantle doping rings fast enough. But how about Rabo and Humanplasma? CRICKETS..... Breukink who is at the root of Rasmussen and Mencov actually managed to be seen as accompice by a civilian court. There's evidence on Television that he and Boogerd bought the National championship (much stronger evidence than there is against Vinokourov!) The result? Well he is happily running a team again.

Did you think the Dutch doping agency pressed charges? That the KNWU refused his license? That the Dutch government stepped in to slap down one of the biggest plagues in sport?

England: With all the athletic scandals, is there any government backed investigation going on? Now that Coe is being exposed, is there a murmur from the ministry (sports or judicial) clean ship?

The hard truth is that we are worse than the so called doping countries as we manage to hide our own misdeeds. And that is a silent agreement from the athlete up to the government. National pride goes far above trying to play fair.

 

[King Boonen]

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Actually, one or two of the proposals would be a step forward. I don't think UKA's move should be dismissed out of hand. The implication of "re-setting" the world records table is that all records prior are tainted .... presumably including PR's.

On the surface it sounds like a good idea. The only problem is you then end up with every man and his dog wanting to get in a race and set a time to get their name in the books for a few days between meets. It'd cause mayhem. The only possible way to do it would be to say something like no records can be set for a year and at the end of the year they're decided, but even then you'll get people going doping crazy to get in the books.

I thought that the proposal to make any athlete that gets funding from UKA sign a binding contract governing their ethical behaviour (inc doping) was a good one. Also, extending the 18 month allowance for 3 missed test. All uk athletes in receipt of UKA funding who wish to train abroad/with non-UK coaches to have due diligence done on the coach/set up (astonishing that this isn't already in place). ANyway, these seem to be sensible and positive steps.

Definitely positive although I'm shocked that that isn't standard already to be honest.

 

[sniper]

great post Franklin. spot on.

 

[Cloxxki]

One thing these awkward leaks have brought, is that everyone in the sport now knows how to approach Coe. If his secretary won't schedule an appointment with you to discuss some vague national development initiative, just ring his marketing agency that you want them for a global campaign an will only speak with Coe, in person. His phone is tapped, emails are being read. Be he obviously is the guy to do business with, everyone with something to hide knows this from the Davies emails. Someone like Usain Bolt could probably invite Coe for a friendly match of football or cricket. Get some useful press as acover while having ample quality time away from prying eyes.
Anyone who wants to have any revenue in the sport hereonward, better get on the same page with Coe, as he'll soon have to start throwing high-profile athetes under the bus. Those who have nothing on him yet. Costly, but a sound investment.

Someone ought to poll the UK athletics community, not the suits, but the people who own well used spikes in their own size, on whether they still believe the crap from Radcliffe, after getting a few bulletpoints on her career and dealings of late. When it becomes apparent that she's not UK's favorite blonde anymore, she is ripe to be burned. By press, sports feds, even UKAD. IAAF won't do it as she's obviously got dirt on Coe.

 

[BullsFan22]

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One thing these awkward leaks have brought, is that everyone in the sport now knows how to approach Coe. If his secretary won't schedule an appointment with you to discuss some vague national development initiative, just ring his marketing agency that you want them for a global campaign an will only speak with Coe, in person. His phone is tapped, emails are being read. Be he obviously is the guy to do business with, everyone with something to hide knows this from the Davies emails. Someone like Usain Bolt could probably invite Coe for a friendly match of football or cricket. Get some useful press as acover while having ample quality time away from prying eyes.
Anyone who wants to have any revenue in the sport hereonward, better get on the same page with Coe, as he'll soon have to start throwing high-profile athetes under the bus. Those who have nothing on him yet. Costly, but a sound investment.

Someone ought to poll the UK athletics community, not the suits, but the people who own well used spikes in their own size, on whether they still believe the crap from Radcliffe, after getting a few bulletpoints on her career and dealings of late. When it becomes apparent that she's not UK's favorite blonde anymore, she is ripe to be burned. By press, sports feds, even UKAD. IAAF won't do it as she's obviously got dirt on Coe.

I almost don't even care if someone like Bolt is eventually brought down, like Armstrong was, but it would really make my week if the hypocrisy and lies within the UK Athletics, UKADA, Coe and the greater IAAF is finally put out in the open for everyone to see. Then we need to move onto US athletics as well. The Russians, Kenyans, Jamaicans, Italians, Spaniards, Turks, even the French...are easy targets. What about those always get away with it?

 

[blackcat]

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I almost don't even care if someone like Bolt is eventually brought down, like Armstrong was, but it would really make my week if the hypocrisy and lies within the UK Athletics, UKADA, Coe and the greater IAAF is finally put out in the open for everyone to see. Then we need to move onto US athletics as well. The Russians, Kenyans, Jamaicans, Italians, Spaniards, Turks, even the French...are easy targets. What about those always get away with it?

but what is the true motive to make the lies exposed by British Cycling and the athletics and Brailsford and Sky and Coe and IAAF?

just asking, I have asked myself why I am on this pursuit for the truth about doping in sport... I lean to the default position, p'raps it is me at fault

 

[The Carrot]

http://www.britishathletics.org.uk/media/news/2016-news-page/january-2016/12-01-16-manifesto-feedback/

Here's your chance to have a say. Light blue touch paper.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Hajo Seppelt ‏@hajoseppelt

According to leaked database since end 2006 at least until 2012 @iaaforg conducted zero out of competition blood tests on Kenyans in Kenya!

https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/687251927567069184

 

[sniper]

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Hajo Seppelt ‏@hajoseppelt

According to leaked database since end 2006 at least until 2012 @iaaforg conducted zero out of competition blood tests on Kenyans in Kenya!

https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/687251927567069184

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/feb/02/mo-farah-kenya-altitude-training-london-marathon

Mo Farah is doing three months altitude training at Iten in Kenya, which is known as the 'home of champions .... Training at altitude is a necessity, as it increases the body's ability to carry oxygen, making him quicker. .... He has come a long way since he first travelled to Iten in 2008. Back then he was an athlete with promise but no more. These days it is not so much Running With The Kenyans, as Adharanand Finn's award-winning book put it, but blasting past them.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/16850262

This winter, Mo Farah and Paula Radcliffe headed a group of British athletes training there [Iten, Kenya], based at the High Altitude Training Centre owned and managed by one of Radcliffe's former rivals, Lornah Kiplagat, and Kiplagat's husband Peter Langerhorst.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Missed this absolute gem on Monday. You just have to admire Seb's IAAF. Whistling in the dark.

The official IAAF response to Part 1 of the WADA report on them.

http://www.athleticsweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IAAF-comments-IC-report-Exec-Sum-and-Full-Response.pdf

Final Paragraph Page 30 para 3.6
“As demonstrated above, there is no systemic corruption within the IAAF, but rather a dedicated staff with high ethical standards whose work has contributed greatly to the fight against doping in sport not only in athletics specifically, but also (through the support and assistance that the IAAF Medical & Anti-Doping Department has provided to WADA over the years) in the whole of sport generally. Stakeholders in athletics can therefore have confidence that the IAAF will continue to do, as it has done for the last 50 years, whatever is necessary to protect the integrity of the sport from the scourge of doping.”

So far beyond the normal "Nothing to see here, please move along now, you can buy your tickets over there, merchandise stalls are to your left once you go through the turnstiles". These grade A, gold plated, diamond encrusted chumps are claiming they are saving the world of sport from doping. Who wrote it ? Seb's mum !

Let's see what tomorrow's light, shining on the "dedicated staff with high ethical standards" reveals about them.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Great article in TIME magazine here.
http://time.com/4177537/iaaf-russia-doping-scandal/
"When the massive scandal of state-sponsored doping and cover-ups in Russia finally erupted with full force in 2015, IAAF leaders acted as though blindsided. “This has been a shameful wake-up call,” Sebastian Coe, the British Olympian and newly elected president of the International Association of Athletics Federations, said.

"IAAF general secretary, wrote in an Oct. 14, 2009, hand-delivered letter to Valentin Balakhnichev, the Russian athletics president banned last week for life from the sport.

“Not only are these athletes cheating their fellow competitors but at these levels are putting their health and even their own lives in very serious danger,” Weiss wrote,

So Seb, that was all down there in writing in 2009 at the IAAFs offices in Monaco. Surely someone told him something about this in the intervening 6 years ? Surely (as described by the official IAAF report published whilst his hand was on the tiller), "a dedicated staff with high ethical standards " wouldn't keep things like this from the boss would they ?

 

[BullsFan22]

So now Coe and the IAAF say there was no doping coverup as early as 2009, or at any other stage. Who is investigating who in this fiasco? I don't get it. First the IAAF and Coe should investigate themselves, set up rules that are concrete and able to stand the test of time, making it clear for the national federations that their organizations, coaches and athletes will be penalized if.......Now it's too late, of course for him and IAAF to do something like this, but if there is a big fish that needs to be pried out of the water, it's the IAAF, Coe included. They've set the precedent, they will need to clean house in their OWN house before people start taking them seriously. I think that's the biggest issue. We'll see what comes out later today, but I am assuming more of the same, "Russia this, Russia that." No doubt in my mind that bribery has been going on for a while, failed doped tests have been swept under the rug, stars of the sport protected as much as possible, biased voting of host cities/nations for the IAAF World's (probably under the table dealings there as well...).

 

[King Boonen]

So... when's part 2 coming..?

 

[King Boonen]

Always make sure YOU fire first...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/35312301

 

[King Boonen]

Foster, who won European 5,000m gold in 1974, added: "The sport, today, will be unveiled as clearly unable to be governed by the regime that was in place before Seb Coe was appointed.

"We've got a governing body that is not fit for purpose."

Foster has recently spoken to his fellow Briton and said the two-time Olympic champion was "hurting".

He added: "He is determined like no-one else can be determined. He's going to change this thing."

Lord Coe, 59, succeeded Lamine Diack as IAAF president in August, after eight years as a vice-president.

Dear oh dear, who wrote Fosters script? They need firing...

 

[Zebadeedee]

What else would you expect from Athletics' very own Phil Liggett?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Coe should go ahead and cuff himself for the statements he has made and considering what D!ck Pounder is putting down in part 2 at this very moment. Twitter is blowing up.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

"Commission "has been troubled by unwillingness of IAAF to acknowledge that the problem is a reflection on the IAAF"

The commission findings was not just with Russia.