Doping in other sports?

[Invicituz]

Breaking the monster record set by Sun Yang...

The controversial Sun Yang ...

 

[noob]

Uhm so 100m 9:79 gold and silver medals both as fast as Ben Johnson 1988 stripped record?

Just watched it and felt like comparing it with Johnson time.

Just another example.

Are their excuses clothes or shoes? 🤣 Nutrition maybe 🤣

 

[Netserk]

Uhm so 100m 9:79 gold and silver medals both as fast as Ben Johnson 1988 stripped record?

Just watched it and felt like comparing it with Johnson time.

Just another example.

Are their excuses clothes or shoes? 🤣 Nutrition maybe 🤣

If everyone regards Bolt as clean, no one else will ever have to say ***.

 

[kingjr]

I asked AI to create an image that expresses all the things I don't like about Gen Z, and it showed me a picture of Noah Lyles. I don't know if that means he's on PEDs, unfortunately.

 

[Invicituz]

Uhm so 100m 9:79 gold and silver medals both as fast as Ben Johnson 1988 stripped record?

Just watched it and felt like comparing it with Johnson time.

Just another example.

Are their excuses clothes or shoes? 🤣 Nutrition maybe 🤣

It's amazing what stanozolol did for Johnson. It's even more amazing the level of performance that these athletes can now produce, supposedly clean; it must be the track. 😀

 

[noob]

It's amazing what stanozolol did for Johnson. It's even more amazing the level of performance that these athletes can now produce, supposedly clean; it must be the track.

Oh, just like the pool for the Chinese swimmers 🏊‍♀️ 🤣

 

[Brullnux]

Sara Errani, 37, was popped for doping in 2017. Now she’s an Olympic champion. To be fair, that was some of the most mediocre tennis I’ve seen.

It was a bit of a joke drug tbh, it was breast cancer medication that has dubious PED credentials.

Finke with a very crazy performance, a lot of people have been near Sun Yang's time but I didn't expect Finke to do it given he hasn't looked in great shape this meet.

 

[ppanther92]

Uhm so 100m 9:79 gold and silver medals both as fast as Ben Johnson 1988 stripped record?

Just watched it and felt like comparing it with Johnson time.

Just another example.

Are their excuses clothes or shoes? 🤣 Nutrition maybe 🤣

9,79 isn’t getting my pulse very high. We had a 9,58 15 years ago. That was crazy.

 

[ppanther92]

But speaking of doped sprinters, whats Christian Coleman doing? He was better than Lyles before the ban. He also has a better PB than the times today, with 9,76 in 2019.

 

[Rob5091]

Finke with a very crazy performance, a lot of people have been near Sun Yang's time but I didn't expect Finke to do it given he hasn't looked in great shape this meet.

This I thought summed it up nicely -
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cxx226nlgrwo

Bobby Finke broke the world record to successfully defend his 1500m freestyle title.

He led from the gun to win in 14 minutes 30.67 seconds, taking the record held by Sun Yang – the Chinese swimmer who was given an eight-year doping ban in 2020.

 

[Mayomaniac]

It was a bit of a joke drug tbh, it was breast cancer medication that has dubious PED credentials.

Finke with a very crazy performance, a lot of people have been near Sun Yang's time but I didn't expect Finke to do it given he hasn't looked in great shape this meet.

"Ma Mamma's medication fell into the pasta while she was making Tortellini" is still a legendary excuse.

 

[BullsFan22]

This I thought summed it up nicely -
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cxx226nlgrwo

LOL

 

[noob]

Well at least whatever new cocktails and bribes are out it's not just for cyclists 🤣

 

[wansteadimp]

"Ma Mamma's medication fell into the pasta while she was making Tortellini" is still a legendary excuse.

Also from Sara: -

Sara Errani of Italy, the losing finalist in women's singles at the 2012 French Open, said in September that del Moral "was the best doctor in Valencia for everything, so I have been working with him, of course."

Errani added she would no longer consult him because "his name is not (a) good name."

The same del Moral that worked for USPS with Lance and Bruyneel.

 

[Brullnux]

Does track count as other sports? GB immediate world record

 

[magliaroz]

Does track count as other sports? GB immediate world record

France is on some good stuff too. Nothing new in this Olympics...

 

[Sciatic]

Does track count as other sports? GB immediate world record

Yes, but there is a separate doping in Athletics thread

 

[magliaroz]

So is the Chinese school of diving only training or something else?

 

[Slavique Nuke]

So is the Chinese school of diving only training or something else?

They hired Neymar as coach

 

[Rob5091]

WADA & USADA arguing now about the use of "undercover" tactics -
https://www.reuters.com/sports/athl...oping-agencies-clash-over-tactics-2024-08-07/

The global and U.S. anti-doping agencies are at odds over undercover tactics used by the American body to try to catch drug cheats, Reuters has learned.
The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) says U.S. agency USADA broke the global code by letting several athletes it had caught between 2011 and 2014 violating drugs rules go undercover and keep on competing without prosecution in exchange for information on other violators.
USADA says the tactic is necessary and allowed, and wants to keep using it. WADA says it is against its code and that athletes caught breaking doping rules should not get to line up in races, potentially winning prize money and medals, without first being publicly prosecuted and sanctioned.
The two agencies are also embroiled in dispute over the global system for policing doping in sport, sparked by the case of 23 Chinese swimmers which has cast a shadow over the Paris Olympics.

 

[ManicJack]

WADA & USADA arguing now about the use of "undercover" tactics -
https://www.reuters.com/sports/athl...oping-agencies-clash-over-tactics-2024-08-07/

Class action lawsuit coming against USADA in 3...2...1.....

 

[Libertine Seguros]

WADA & USADA arguing now about the use of "undercover" tactics -
https://www.reuters.com/sports/athl...oping-agencies-clash-over-tactics-2024-08-07/

It is a power struggle, and nobody's going to come out of it looking good.

Essentially from what I can gather here, in Cliff's Notes version, USADA wanted the Chinese swimmers banned, CHINADA said they accepted the tainted meat argument and exonerated them and WADA accepted it. USADA didn't like that and pressured WADA to investigate further, and so USADA decided they wanted to take it into their own hands and intervene outside their jurisdiction to force WADA to act how they wanted them to.

Meanwhile, USADA were busy clearing Erriyon Knighton based on the same argument they were considering unsatisfactory for non-Americans.

Reuters somehow got hold of this info about how USADA had been allowing athletes who failed tests to continue to compete under the auspices of informing against other bigger name dopers (coincidentally, what big name Americans have been caught doping lately? Come to think about it, what big names period?), not informing WADA, and enabling those athletes to continue to compete unencumbered. WADA found out about this practice in 2021, and USADA were able to convince them that it would be detrimental to the athletes' safety to sanction them retrospectively, so they remain anonymous (although a couple of names have been bandied about, I haven't seen anything compelling to tie any individual down to the allegations myself).

Obviously publishing this makes WADA look bad as they have allowed USADA to break their code - the same thing they were busy banning the Russians from the Olympics for, under heavy pressure from USADA of course - without sanction, so WADA came out swinging with their own story of it, highlighting USADA's complicity with covering up positive tests and not informing WADA of doping infractions in order that high profile American sportsmen avoid sanction, to which USADA have largely hit back with a very generic "USADA take the fight for integrity in the sport very seriously" type comment while an army of bots and plants on social media fight a deflection campaign trying to steer all controversy back to China and characterise all questions or challenges to the USADA position as being the work of Chinese propaganda - served with amounts of whataboutism that Russian apologists would struggle to match.

Which CHINADA have played right into the hands of, by coming forward to demand a more thorough testing of US athletes and an investigation into the practices of USADA in order to protect the integrity of competition, fomenting further division.

For me it's a, why can't it be both? situation. After all, the Chinese swimmers probably were doping. The US probably has been hiding positives and refusing to play by anti-doping rules and trying to bully WADA into serving its own aims for political purposes - after all it worked against the Ostbloc in the 80s, why wouldn't it work today? - and WADA is also weak and hypocritical and has allowed USADA to dictate to it in the past, as shown by the fact that even in their statement clarifying how USADA broke the WADA code, they do not suggest any sanctions against USADA or name the athletes involved.

All it does is really highlight that all of these anti-doping authorities are too busy locked in a battle with each other to actually serve the integrity of sport, and so the only positives that we will see for the foreseeable are likely to be either the result of third parties getting involved, like police raids and so on, or they're going to be politically motivated or targeted hits taken out on athletes less because of the athlete and more to get one over on rival ADAs.

Edit: let's also note Hajo Seppelt jumping in and torching his reputation as badly as David Walsh by going full Tygart apologist.

 

[Rob5091]

Who needs the Olympics when you've got WADA and USADA duking it out?
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us...cover-agents-protected-from-doping-sanctions/

Key to WADA’s criticism was the claim that three US athletes were allowed to compete despite committing anti-doping violations, in exchange for information in a period between 2011 and 2014.

"WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents for USADA," the body said in a statement on August 7 in reaction to a Reuters story on the rift between the two anit-doping bodies.
...
Tygert further claimed that WADA was aware of the investigations and athlete cooperation. Despite the informant athletes competing, USADA claimed they would have been prohibited from competing at an elite level where they could have deprived professional athletes of income or medals, according to The Times.

The Times has also reported seeing correspondence supporting Tygert’s claim that WADA was actively involved in the investigation and supportive of the protection of informants.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Who needs the Olympics when you've got WADA and USADA duking it out?
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us...cover-agents-protected-from-doping-sanctions/

It's a race as to who is more incompetent at communicating! Or just simply more incompetent...

I read the links in an associated thread and in The Guardian article you had posted it said WADA was aware USADA was using an informant in the case of Kenyan runners and had signed off on it. Am I misunderstanding the meaning of the expression "signed off"?

 

[Rob5091]

It's a race as to who is more incompetent at communicating! Or just simply more incompetent...

I read the links in an associated thread and in The Guardian article you had posted it said WADA was aware USADA was using an informant in the case of Kenyan runners and had signed off on it. Am I misunderstanding the meaning of the expression "signed off"?

The article in the Guardian was about a guy back in 2015, and WADA claim to have learnt about it (or what USADA was doing) in 2021, but The Times says apparently that WADA ok'd it. So the story is changing everytime we learn something new. Who knows, by the time it's all over, we might find out Lance was innocent all along!