Doping in other sports?

[Tim Cahill]

Triathletes do not dope, they use the Norwegian system of interval training, eating dogs and editing wikipedia pages with fake 10k times.

 

[Sciatic]

Triathletes do not dope, they use the Norwegian system of interval training, eating dogs and editing wikipedia pages with fake 10k times.

Better not bring up eating dogs (or cats) —it’s now a (faux) political issue over here

 

[Rob5091]

In this age of fast moving, non-stop news, it's easy to forget recent fun stories. One of which is the 23 Chinese swimmers and their delayed reporting of TMZ positives.
WADA have given Eric Cottier the unenviable job of going through the paperwork on the case and trying to put a lid on the whole affair. 12 th September the final report was out - read and enjoy at
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defa..._final_cottier_report_english_translation.pdf
some interesting points -

However, on the basis of these pharmacokinetic data alone, it is not possible to rule out intentional (or unintentional) intake of TMZ for doping or therapeutic purposes in the weeks leading up to the competition. Environmental contamination with low doses of TMZ during the hotel stay is also possible and can neither be ruled out nor affirmed with certainty on the basis of scientific data, but I see no scientific argument of a pharmacokinetic nature in favor of one hypothesis over another.

WADA further reported to the Investigator that CHINADA had experienced, subsequent to the case of the 23 swimmers of 2021, a situation in which, for a positive urine test for TMZ (0.3 ng/mL), contamination through food would have been established. In short, TMZ, at a concentration of 2ug/mL, would have been detected in the cooking (wine) of beef hot-and-dry noodles. Tracing of the origin would have led to TMZ being detected in the alcohol contained in the cooking wine. This alcohol was allegedly purchased from a chemical substances factory, which in turn obtained it illegally from a pharmaceutical company. The latter would have used alcohol (distillation) in the TMZ manufacturing process.

The actions of CHINADA are given the once over and found wanting

..the Chinese Anti-Doping Organization, by refraining from notifying the positive athletes, completely ignored ISRM Article 5.1.2.1, which the expert describes as a fundamental violation of anti-doping rules. This violation gave rise to a whole series of consequences which, in the expert's view, are the results of many flaws in the proceedings conducted by CHINADA.

On the basis of his three-stage approach, the expert concluded that the time elapsed between doping control (1-3 January 2024) and the announcement of the case to WADA and FINA (16 March 2021), i.e. more than 70 days, did not appear to comply with the applicable standards.

 

[Rob5091]

Tygart's response to the report -
https://www.usada.org/statement/tygart-wadas-full-cottier-report/

The ongoing failure to investigate and to answer the critical question of whether the 23 positive tests were due to contamination or intentional use will haunt athletes around the world for years to come. This failure of the system has also unfairly created a dark cloud over the Chinese athletes involved.

So the contamination theory was that either it was in the food via an illegal cooking wine purchase or some employee had taken TMZ and not washed his/her hands or sweated a lot on the ventilation hoods.

The big question mark is the long delayed actions by CHINADA in sample testing and reporting, then not following WADA guidelines. Suspicious behaviour naturally arises suspicions.

Of course if somebody had not told the media about it, we would probably not have heard about it at all.

 

[BullsFan22]

So Tygart only trusts WADA when it suits his narrative?

 

[Rob5091]

So Tygart only trusts WADA when it suits his narrative?

I think Tygart does not trust WADA to follow it's own rules
https://www.usada.org/statement/tygart-wadas-full-cottier-report/

... China did not follow the rules, and that WADA management did nothing about it.

To be honest, I agree and given the influx of large amounts of money from such countries as UAE & Bahrain, and the ever increasing speeds of the peloton, I'm half expecting a major scandal every day.

 

[veganrob]

I think you will be waiting a long time for a major scandal in the peloton.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think Tygart does not trust WADA to follow it's own rules
https://www.usada.org/statement/tygart-wadas-full-cottier-report/

To be honest, I agree and given the influx of large amounts of money from such countries as UAE & Bahrain, and the ever increasing speeds of the peloton, I'm half expecting a major scandal every day.

Tygart knows WADA won't follow its own rules because WADA let him get away with letting US dopers continue to compete without anybody becoming aware of their positive tests, under the auspices of getting info about other dopers.

He's just calling them out for it when somebody else gets to benefit.

 

[BullsFan22]

Tygart knows WADA won't follow its own rules because WADA let him get away with letting US dopers continue to compete without anybody becoming aware of their positive tests, under the auspices of getting info about other dopers.

He's just calling them out for it when somebody else gets to benefit.

This

 

[Rob5091]

WADA did not know about the USADA "snitches" which was why it became their baseball bat to use on USADA after the Chinese swimming scandal
https://www.reuters.com/sports/athl...oping-agencies-clash-over-tactics-2024-08-07/

"WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents for USADA, without it notifying WADA and without there being any provision allowing such a practice under the (global) code or USADA's own rules," WADA said in a statement to Reuters.

WADA also using USADA's "chinese swimming outrage" to threaten Olympics in Salt Lake.

 

[Rob5091]

"Burgos" is a pseudonym & back in 2015 he offered a Kenyan runner a deal ...
https://plzmgumwcl.oedi.net/sport/a...ed-undercover-agent-to-lift-the-lid-on-dopers

Burgos is chief investigator at Usada and he sees the results of all positive tests in the United States.

“We were actively testing him during that period, so he was not allowed to dope and he was to tell us right away if he did,” said Burgos. “We had notified the World Anti-Doping Agency [Wada] and the international federation for track and field, and they all signed off.”

So somebody's memory is not 100% correct.

 

[Sciatic]

"Burgos" is a pseudonym & back in 2015 he offered a Kenyan runner a deal ...
https://plzmgumwcl.oedi.net/sport/a...ed-undercover-agent-to-lift-the-lid-on-dopers



So somebody's memory is not 100% correct.

There’s got to be some email exchanges about communication between the two organizations. We need more dedicated cycling fan hackers

 

[Invicituz]

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years:

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years

The Paris Olympics anti-doping program caught five athletes after earlier finding 40 rule violations among competitors who had been expected to take part in the Games

abcnews.go.com

 

[Rob5091]

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years:

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years

The Paris Olympics anti-doping program caught five athletes after earlier finding 40 rule violations among competitors who had been expected to take part in the Games

abcnews.go.com

Funny, I was thinking about the ITA today in relation to the "snitches" in the US scandal, as they are all for whistleblowers and getting info by every which means. They even have a dedicated webpage to blow your whistle (at https://ita.sport/reveal/ ) and a Mr Toby Atkins is "firsthand proactive reporter on doping in cycling". ITA have some interesting videos up on the "Tube" (as the kids call it).

Edit -add - Of course as ITA did not exist until 2018 they could not have been involved in the 2015 story.

 

[Sciatic]

Additional details (in French) about the Paris Olympics anti-doping efforts. One thing I note is that while during the Olympics I was reading that all athletes had to have doping tests before the Olympics, but this says 90% were tested. That sounds good on the face of it, but that’s over 600 participants who weren’t tested before the games. How did they get “free” passes? I assume the non-tested included NBA players.

JO 2024 : 6130 tests antidopage ont été effectués pendant la période des JO de Paris 2024

Dans un communiqué, l'agence internationale antidopage (ITA) a annoncé avoir testé 39 % des athlètes qui ont participé aux Jeux Olympiques, pour un total de 6130 échantillons, dont cinq sont revenus positifs.

www.lequipe.fr

 

[cnort]

Paul Pogba (Juventus and France footballer) was given a 4 year ban by the Italian Anti-Doping National Tribunal after failing a drug test with non-endogenous testosterone found in his sample in September 2023. He appealed to CAS and has had the ban reduced to 18 months. CAS said "Mr Pogba’s ingestion of DHEA, the substance for which he tested positive, was not intentional and was the result of erroneously taking a supplement prescribed to him by a medical doctor in Florida, after Mr Pogba had been given assurances that the medical doctor, who had claimed to treat several high level US and international athletes, was knowledgeable and would be mindful of Mr Pogba’s anti-doping obligations under the World Anti-Doping Code. Mr Pogba sought a sanction of only 12 months in recognition of the presence of some fault on his part (he did not seek a determination of no fault or negligence from the CAS Panel)."

What crap. So he gets a reduced ban and nothing for the doctor. Does that not encourage this sort of activity? Maybe it's just a negotiation process - NADO wanted a 2 year ban so give a four year knowing it'll be reduced on appeal to something near what they wanted.

 

[Sciatic]

Paul Pogba (Juventus and France footballer) was given a 4 year ban by the Italian Anti-Doping National Tribunal after failing a drug test with non-endogenous testosterone found in his sample in September 2023. He appealed to CAS and has had the ban reduced to 18 months. CAS said "Mr Pogba’s ingestion of DHEA, the substance for which he tested positive, was not intentional and was the result of erroneously taking a supplement prescribed to him by a medical doctor in Florida, after Mr Pogba had been given assurances that the medical doctor, who had claimed to treat several high level US and international athletes, was knowledgeable and would be mindful of Mr Pogba’s anti-doping obligations under the World Anti-Doping Code. Mr Pogba sought a sanction of only 12 months in recognition of the presence of some fault on his part (he did not seek a determination of no fault or negligence from the CAS Panel)."

What crap. So he gets a reduced ban and nothing for the doctor. Does that not encourage this sort of activity? Maybe it's just a negotiation process - NADO wanted a 2 year ban so give a four year knowing it'll be reduced on appeal to something near what they wanted.

Ha! His ban should have been lengthened for trusting a Florida doc who treats “high level US athletes” ( if that was indeed how the “contamination” happened)

 

[troll hunter]

Additional details (in French) about the Paris Olympics anti-doping efforts. One thing I note is that while during the Olympics I was reading that all athletes had to have doping tests before the Olympics, but this says 90% were tested. That sounds good on the face of it, but that’s over 600 participants who weren’t tested before the games. How did they get “free” passes? I assume the non-tested included NBA players.

JO 2024 : 6130 tests antidopage ont été effectués pendant la période des JO de Paris 2024

Dans un communiqué, l'agence internationale antidopage (ITA) a annoncé avoir testé 39 % des athlètes qui ont participé aux Jeux Olympiques, pour un total de 6130 échantillons, dont cinq sont revenus positifs.

www.lequipe.fr

NCAA does not follow the WADA code either, they have in-house testing. I read that 65% (almost 400 person) of the US Olympic team in Paris were current or former NCAA athletes. It is quite scary that they are allowed to compete.

 

[Sciatic]

NCAA does not follow the WADA code either, they have in-house testing. I read that 65% (almost 400 person) of the US Olympic team in Paris were current or former NCAA athletes. It is quite scary that they are allowed to compete.

If they were competing at the Olympics the IOC handled testing, not the NCAA. But for most sports you’re right that the IOC can’t control testing prior to the Olympics.

 

[troll hunter]

If they were competing at the Olympics the IOC handled testing, not the NCAA. But for most sports you’re right that the IOC can’t control testing prior to the Olympics.

But...

According to a Wada letter viewed by Reuters on Monday that was sent to USADA board chair Tobie Smith last Friday, 90 per cent of all athletes in the United States compete outside the protection of the anti-doping Code.

Wada said it received a letter in July on behalf of 32 national and regional anti-doping organisations from Europe, Asia and Africa who appear concerned the US are sending athletes to major events like the Olympics and world championships without being sufficiently tested in advance.

"It is surely time to address these issues that directly concern USADA and US athletes," Wada said in its letter to USADA that called for reforms of the anti-doping system within the US, especially when it comes to college sports.

The letter was signed by Wada President Witold Banka and Director General Olivier Niggli.

Doping-WADA renews call for USADA to get tougher on testing | SuperSport

The World Anti-Doping Agency has renewed its call for the US Anti-Doping Agency to better protect clean sport in the United States amid what it says are growing concerns about athletes attending major events without being sufficiently tested.

supersport.com

I have just noticed that at least two Reuters articles criticising US anti-doping activities have been withdrawn

Story on global and U.S. anti-doping agencies clashing over tactics is withdrawn - https://www.reuters.com/sports/athl...oping-agencies-clash-over-tactics-2024-08-07/

Story on WADA renewing call for USADA to get tougher on testing is withdrawn - https://www.reuters.com/sports/wada-renews-call-usada-get-tougher-testing-2024-09-09/

It seems the Empire doesn't like to be criticised.

 

[Rob5091]

Thanks to the wonders of the interweb, we can still read those retracted articles -
https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/doping-wada-renews-call-for-usada-to-get-tougher-on-testing

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/07/sport/wada-usada-anti-doping-agencies-clash-spt/index.html

But these are all part of the ongoing mud slinging by WADA and USADA which is extremely amusing as of course both parties end up covered in mud.

 

[Nick2413]

38 year old Patrick Lange on pace to break IM Kona record by at least 10 min, fun to remember the Stone Age back in 2017 when he almost retired but decided to give it one more shot and won the race with a course record half an hour slower.

 

[Oldermanish]

Better not bring up eating dogs (or cats) —it’s now a (faux) political issue over here

Triathletes would consume any dietary aid to get what they believe to be an edge. Fortunately, the usually put-upon and "tolerant" family and relatives are excluded. If they represented an improvement in gene-pool protein possibilities the discussion would be even deeper about self-focused athletes and how to prepare the cleanest liver (how many compatible carbs match up?) of your available relatives. Seared on a seasoned cast iron pan is best.
PS; to serious but not pro Tri-folks: Put your therapist on phone speed dial #2. Save #1 for that defense counselor.

 

[wansteadimp]

Thanks to the wonders of the interweb, we can still read those retracted articles -
https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/doping-wada-renews-call-for-usada-to-get-tougher-on-testing

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/07/sport/wada-usada-anti-doping-agencies-clash-spt/index.html

But these are all part of the ongoing mud slinging by WADA and USADA which is extremely amusing as of course both parties end up covered in mud.

I think these are probably articles written by the Reuters journalist that got WADA's head of media relations, James Fitzgerald, a press pass for the Masters Golf Tournament.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ves-doping-stories-wada-employee-masters-pass

 

[peterfin]

38 year old Patrick Lange on pace to break IM Kona record by at least 10 min, fun to remember the Stone Age back in 2017 when he almost retired but decided to give it one more shot and won the race with a course record half an hour slower.

The triatlon records are getting ridiculous. It's all due to the professionalism, shoes with a carbon plate and aerodynamics according to the articles. So until recently they were just a bunch of amateurs or what?