Doping in other sports?

[DirtyWorks]

Actually any form of testosterone replacement therapy is not going to be given a TUE, unless you are quite literally emasculated.

So they are just justifying their doping in their minds. It really isn't the case.

No TUE needed.

The thing to remember is the threshold ratio. A 4:1 T/E ratio is very, very high if we are talking human norm. The chances a legitimate TRT customer following instructions gets close to even 3:1 would be slim.

But, obviously, the patient could not follow instructions and get some very nice recovery therapy nearer to 3:1 T/E and "never test positive."

 

[Catwhoorg]

On a practical standpoint, of proving use, if you run below the 4:1 ratio you are unlikely ever to be sanctioned.**

Doesn't mean that slapping a patch/cream on is not against the WADA code, it clearly is listed in S1.




**unless caught out for a non-analytical positive. see Drummond for example

 

[DirtyWorks]

On a practical standpoint, of proving use, if you run below the 4:1 ratio you are unlikely ever to be sanctioned.**

Doesn't mean that slapping a patch/cream on is not against the WADA code, it clearly is listed in S1.




**unless caught out for a non-analytical positive. see Drummond for example

All true. I was trying to debunk the hidden assumption since WADA bans it, therefore it's use is limited and detection perfect.

 

[icefire]

Just another athlete taking her case to a civil court. Now it's all civil court vs sports arbitration court.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/15/us-doping-skating-pechstetin-idUSKBN0KO0X220150115

 

[neineinei]

The head of Russian Athletics confirms that Lashmanova and Medvedeva competed in Saransk while banned. What is more, he also says Sergei Bakulin competed there while banned. Bakulins ban has not been announced anywhere before, he is not on IAAF's list of sanctioned athletes and there hasn't been any information from RUSADA about it either. He competed at the London Olympics, but after 2012 there is no record of him competing, until he turned up in a photo of the podium at the 2014 Mordovia Race Cup in Saransk....

There is no way they will not get time added to their sanctions now, but what about the big fish here,Viktor Chegin and the officials at the Centre of the Olympic training of Mordovia in Saransk? They are letting them compete while banned and hangs medals around their necks. They are also so dumb that they let photos of it be published on the internet. Not to mention there are so many doping cases among Chegins athletes that Continental Team Astana looks like an anti-doping heaven in comparison.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/re...cs-Doping-eliminated-soon--Russian-chief.html

 

[Erythropoietin]

So, what does this mean for other sports? The impression I have is that a lot of other sports are no where close to as invested in anti-doping as cycling still is (despite all faults that still exist) and that there are a lot fewer tests being done but with the same methods that have proven ineffective in cycling. Are other sports just as bad or even worse than cycling except that they have a cleaner image because their athletes have an even easier time getting away with it? If so, what sports do you think are the worst?

This is true. Antidoping is a just a ****ing joke and it always has been. It will continue like this until maybe some day 50 years from now the information reaches the general public and enough people realize that this is bull**** and that doping can't be stopped.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Are other sports just as bad or even worse than cycling except that they have a cleaner image because their athletes have an even easier time getting away with it? If so, what sports do you think are the worst?

worst? That's hard to say.

Of the sports I follow, swimming, track and field, cycling are all hopelessly corrupt. The IAAF scandal where the President's son and the Treasurer are taking bribes to never test positive is about average.

Another way to look at it is Sepp Blatter is one of the few with voting powers at WADA. He's there for life as far as I can tell.

The IOC is perfectly okay with it as that group is as corrupt. Just don't scare away the advertisers!

 

[neineinei]

Race walker Sergei Bakulin has been provisionally suspended by IAAF since December 2012 over bio passport irregularities. IAAF usually doens't announce provisional suspensions, so there can be lots of other cases like his, and if he'd won the appeal (or had better luck with the bribe than Liliya Shobukhova), we would never have heard of the case. He would just have had a break from competition while he was studying or something.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/another-russian-race-walker-under-scrutiny-183033755.html#AQ7V2rx

Sergei Bakulin on the podium (silver) in Saransk, while provisionally suspended. Chegin (Russian race walk guru/doping mogul), front line middle, seems quite happy about it all. But that was 3 weeks ago, before some "schoolboy" published the photos online.

 

[D-Queued]

Nicklas Backstrom drops appeal in Sochi Olympic doping case

For those seeking to uncover double standards and unfair comparisons to cycling, consider:

- he was issued with the minimum sanction of a reprimand and cleared of any intention to cheat
- the IOC ruled that Backstrom hadn’t intended to enhance his performance, laying the blame for his positive test on the Sweden team doctor
- Backstrom was allowed to receive the silver medal

What happened to strict liability?

Hockey players are apparently no longer responsible for what is in their bloodstream, even if they know what is in their bloodstream.

Dave.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Rhys Williams, 30, received a suspension of four months and Gareth Warburton, 31, six months after failing drugs tests, reports the Sunday Times.

BBC article on it


Both viewed as contaminated supplement issues.

UKAD doesn't have anything up yet as presumably the cases are still in the appeal window.

 

[Benotti69]

Rhys Williams, 30, received a suspension of four months and Gareth Warburton, 31, six months after failing drugs tests, reports the Sunday Times.

BBC article on it


Both viewed as contaminated supplement issues.

UKAD doesn't have anything up yet as presumably the cases are still in the appeal window.

Manufacturer tested it's own products and found them clean.

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Reg...-drink-maker-says-doped-products-tested-clean

So dopers lied, shock horror................and their own anti-doping agency believed them

 

[Catwhoorg]

Or manufacturer with a vested interest in selling to athletes lied to cover-up.


Both sides have clear interests in pushing blame to the other.

 

[Benotti69]

Or manufacturer with a vested interest in selling to athletes lied to cover-up.


Both sides have clear interests in pushing blame to the other.

If manufacturer is caught lying it will turn out very bad (or well depending how much performance enhancement an athlete gets)....

I dont think the manufacturer has a vested interest in lying as independent testing will find the truth.

 

[Catwhoorg]

What they tested isn't necessarily the same batch that was blamed. (I have no idea if it is or not)

And yes batch contamination is entirely feasible*, which is why to get the informed sport logo/mark, you have to test each and every batch of each and every product in the line (for multiple contaminants).

Literally, it is the only way to be sure.

Of course as the batches were toll manufactured at a 3rd party location, (Which actually holds a Informed sport accreditation) the blame game becomes even more complex.



*You see this sort of thing all the time in the food industry a batch contaminated or possibly contaminated with something that you wonder about how the eff did THAT get anywhere near food. Just pull up a list of recalls and see.

 

[nevada]

http://youtu.be/7BbPopNgz7M

 

[Andynonomous]

American football pro would trade a decade of life for a complete football career.

 

[neineinei]

Nicklas Backstrom drops appeal in Sochi Olympic doping case

For those seeking to uncover double standards and unfair comparisons to cycling, consider:

- he was issued with the minimum sanction of a reprimand and cleared of any intention to cheat
- the IOC ruled that Backstrom hadn’t intended to enhance his performance, laying the blame for his positive test on the Sweden team doctor
- Backstrom was allowed to receive the silver medal

What happened to strict liability?

Hockey players are apparently no longer responsible for what is in their bloodstream, even if they know what is in their bloodstream.

Dave.

It'a Craig Reedie/Thomas Bach/Arne Ljungqvist/NHL love festival.

 

[neineinei]

Swimmng

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/full/2015/01/26/44/1200000000AEN20150126008800315F.html

South Koreas Park Tae-hwan, Olympic champion from Beijing 2008 and 3x Olympic silver medalist, has tested positive for some unnamed substance. It's the docs fault (just like it was the docs fault that Sun Yang tested positve).

Park Tae-hwan won the 400 m. freestyle in Beijing and was runner up in London, beaten by Sun Yang.

 

[blackcat]

Swimmng

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/full/2015/01/26/44/1200000000AEN20150126008800315F.html

South Koreas Park Tae-hwan, Olympic champion from Beijing 2008 and 3x Olympic silver medalist, has tested positive for some unnamed substance. It's the docs fault (just like it was the docs fault that Sun Yang tested positve).

Park Tae-hwan won the 400 m. freestyle in Beijing and was runner up in London, beaten by Sun Yang.

any Australians? he the Korean Park Tae Hwan trained at Haileybury or Waverly Waterlions group in Springvale at Haileybury College on Springvale Road with the head coach Wayne.

Also Therese Alshammar the Swedish champion in the 100m free Worlds trained under Wayne

 

[fuzzydunlop3]

and now Park is training in Ryan Lochte's training group. I'm sure Park is clean now though...

 

[neineinei]

"FINA told us of Park's positive test at the end of October last year," an official at the KSF said. "I understand FINA also directly informed the athlete as well. Because of FINA's regulations on confidentiality on doping tests until the penalties are determined after a hearing, we couldn't make any announcement (until a report emerged Monday)."

Later on Tuesday, state prosecutors in Seoul said Park received a testosterone injection at the hospital at the end of July.

The administration of testosterone is prohibited by WADA.

According to prosecutors, officials from the hospital have testified that they gave Park the injection to help boost his hormone level but that they weren't aware that testosterone was a banned substance.

http://m.yna.co.kr/mob2/en/contents...te=0100000000&cid=AEN20150127003352315&mobile

 

[OffTheBackAdam]

"..According to prosecutors, officials from the hospital have testified that they gave Park the injection to help boost his hormone level but that they weren't aware that testosterone was a banned substance"

Where's the bull**** smilie?

 

[python]

A fairly interesting article pertaining to most sports, though i found it in a cross country skiing portal.

Methods Available, But Rarely Used, to See Doping Prevalence; Current Estimates Alarming
http://fasterskier.com/article/meth...evalence-of-doping-best-guesses-are-alarming/

...An estimation of 14-39 percent of current adult elite athletes [have] intentionally used doping.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.nature.com/news/gather-data-to-reveal-true-extent-of-doping-in-sport-1.16798

Why has there been no effort to quantify the problem of doping in sport (or if it has been done, why is it not published)? Evidence suggests that the leaderships of these organizations do not want to know the true extent of doping or their effectiveness in regulating it. In 2012, Richard Pound, the first president of WADA, oversaw an agency committee called Lack of Effectiveness of Testing Programs. The committee?s report concluded that within the sports community, ?there is no general appetite to undertake the effort and expense of a successful effort to deliver doping-free sport?.

In my opinion, anti-doping agencies suffer from a sort of institutionalized blindness that has been characterized by Steve Rayner, who studies science and civilization at the University of Oxford, UK, as the ?social construction of ignorance?. This is a strategy that organizations use necessarily to make their way in a complicated world. Organizations also create zones of ignorance to ?manage uncomfortable knowledge?, and this can sometimes lead to dysfunction.

 

[Benotti69]

A fairly interesting article pertaining to most sports, though i found it in a cross country skiing portal.

Methods Available, But Rarely Used, to See Doping Prevalence; Current Estimates Alarming
http://fasterskier.com/article/meth...evalence-of-doping-best-guesses-are-alarming/

14-39% seems very low.