Doping in other sports?

[thrawn]

Good to see the clean Bolt flogging that cheating hack Gatlin.

 

[Armchaircyclist]

Four of the top five in the 100m were Jamaicans.

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Even the fanboy commentators are now starting to doubt the myth of the supergenes of the Jamaicans. But still With 4 out of top 5, they are too scared to call it what it is. Outrageous doping.

 

[mudbone]

Why did Gatlin ever need to dope? He's just as good clean.

just perfect.

 

[del1962]

Four of the top five in the 100m were Jamaicans.

And Blake wasn't there.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Four of the top five in the 100m were Jamaicans.

Non-existent food drug administration incompetent anti-doping agency who only carried out a mere 102 tests on all athletes from all sports in 2012.

 

[sniper]

Non-existent food drug administration incompetent anti-doping agency who only carried out a mere 102 tests on all athletes from all sports in 2012.

I doubt if the percentage of tests per athlete comes out any higher in the US.
The US (USADA?) did only 4000 tests (from the head).
If they have more than 40 times the athletes Jamaica has (which sounds likely to me), it would mean Jamaica does more testing than the USA, per athlete that is.

 

[Pazuzu]

National Geographic's website (of all places) had an interesting article on the difficulty of detecting PED use through testing. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130808-sports-doping-testing-science/?source=hp_dl3_news_doping_20130809

Not news to many of us, but perhaps for the general public, who until recently, bought into Lance's "been tested 500 times and never tested positive" obfuscation.

 

[maxmartin]

Hungarian Katinka Hosszu just broke 400m IM short course world record, look at her bicep and back, it is very hard to believe they belong to a woman. Feels like east Germany again!

 

[zastomito]

You were saying?

 

[mudbone]

good bbc radio documentary from a couple of days ago; 'Why can't we catch the athletes who dope?'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037vb4b

 

[fuzzydunlop3]

Hungarian Katinka Hosszu just broke 400m IM short course world record, look at her bicep and back, it is very hard to believe they belong to a woman. Feels like east Germany again!

she swims with Salo's group at USC. a group with at least 3 different swimmers who have failed tests.

 

[darwin553]

Four of the top five in the 100m were Jamaicans.

That's it. All Jamaicans dope. Full stop.

 

[fuzzydunlop3]

holy cow, you weren't kidding about Katinka Hosszu

 

[maxmartin]

she swims with Salo's group at USC. a group with at least 3 different swimmers who have failed tests.

Thanks for the info. I did not know that. She definitely had a breakthrough this year, she was 8th in 200IM at 2012 olympics. But she is the woman to beat this year.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Former head of the French anti-doping council, Marc Sanson, claims F1 drivers have used Tacrine, a drug typically used to treat Alzheimer's disease, because it helps them remember the circuit.

I'm thinking all the F1 circuits currently in use have fewer than 20 corners, so it sounds to me like maybe F1 need to look into hiring smarter drivers. The old Nordschleife had as many as 160 corners, so I could understand the challenge there. But 20? Rats in a maze can memorize that many turns.

 

[darwin553]

Former head of the French anti-doping council, Marc Sanson, claims F1 drivers have used Tacrine, a drug typically used to treat Alzheimer's disease, because it helps them remember the circuit.

I'm thinking all the F1 circuits currently in use have fewer than 20 corners, so it sounds to me like maybe F1 need to look into hiring smarter drivers. The old Nordschleife had as many as 160 corners, so I could understand the challenge there. But 20? Rats in a maze can memorize that many turns.

I somehow doubt this, especially in this age of video games which gives the drivers another opportunity to simulate the track experience.

 

[timbo25]

It seems a lot of oil wrestlers had been tested positive from Turkey.

 

[mudbone]

haha, long jump gold medalist greg rutherford just tweeted after fraser-pryce crushed the women's 100m final, "Wow... She looked like flo jo running away from the field like that."

 

[Briant_Gumble]

haha, long jump gold medalist greg rutherford just tweeted after fraser-pryce crushed the women's 100m final, "Wow... She looked like flo jo running away from the field like that."

I wonder if he intended that as a compliment or an insult.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

I somehow doubt this, especially in this age of video games which gives the drivers another opportunity to simulate the track experience.

I think most if not all F1 teams have simulators to allow drivers to train on the layout of any particular circuit. Ferrari have a $6M USD full motion, 6-axis simulator to rival any flight simulator at BA or Lufthansa.

Maybe the Tacrine also helps maintain concentration???


I often have wondered if F1 drivers might be using Clenbuterol or something akin to it for weight management. The difference in the weight of the sport's heaviest driver (Ozzie Mark Webber) and its lightest (Brazilian Felipe Massa) is near about 17 kg (2 stone and 9 lbs), which amounts to 2.6% of the car's 642 kg minimum spec weight. In a sport where qualifying times routinely are separated by as little as a tenth of a second, this not an insignificant amount. Much was made of it in 2009 when the rules added the possibility for a hybrid petrol/electric engine but neglected to increase the spec weight. Several drivers were noted to have dropped 5-6 kg in the off-season to dull the impact of the 30 kg that the new energy recovery hardware added, and they all already were pretty fit/lean to begin with. But they remain a very weight-conscious lot (not a single Jan Ullrich among them).

 

[si botak]

I often have wondered if F1 drivers might be using Clenbuterol or something akin to it for weight management. The difference in the weight of the sport's heaviest driver (Ozzie Mark Webber) and its lightest (Brazilian Felipe Massa) is near about 17 kg (2 stone and 9 lbs), which amounts to 2.6% of the car's 642 kg minimum spec weight. In a sport where qualifying times routinely are separated by as little as a tenth of a second, this not an insignificant amount. Much was made of it in 2009 when the rules added the possibility for a hybrid petrol/electric engine but neglected to increase the spec weight. Several drivers were noted to have dropped 5-6 kg in the off-season to dull the impact of the 30 kg that the new energy recovery hardware added, and they all already were pretty fit/lean to begin with. But they remain a very weight-conscious lot (not a single Jan Ullrich among them).

F1 car minimum weight includes the driver. The cars carry ballast to meet this minimum weight requirement so a small driver doesn't mean a lower overall weight as the car + driver is significantly under the minimum weight allowed.

Ballast can be positioned anywhere in the chassis though, so a lighter driver allows for better balance. But driver bodyweight doesn't make cars over minimum weight (at least I think so anyway).

 

[si botak]

Four of the top five in the 100m were Jamaicans.

Add Blake (injured) and the banned Mullings [pb 9.80] and Powell, you could have had 6/7 out of the 8 fastest men in the world coming from an island with 2.7 million people.

 

[thrawn]

Webber is probably the fittest F1 driver. He is an uber skinny dude, as he needs to be, because he's incredibly tall for an F1 driver.

 

[wansteadimp]

Add Blake (injured) and the banned Mullings [pb 9.80] and Powell, you could have had 6/7 out of the 8 fastest men in the world coming from an island with 2.7 million people.

Okay the Sky question, assuming everyone in athletics is doping what are the Jamaicans doing so much better than everyone else?

 

[Flamin]

Hungarian Katinka Hosszu just broke 400m IM short course world record, look at her bicep and back, it is very hard to believe they belong to a woman. Feels like east Germany again!

Not only the 400m WR, but also the 100m on the same day(!) and the 200m last week