Doping in other sports?

[kingjr]

cos Brazil are going to win it at home.

I will be very surprised if Brazil dont make it to the final.

You think they're going to win, or they'll be in the final?

 

[Benotti69]

You think they're going to win, or they'll be in the final?

I think they have been chosen to win it. Anything can happen to foil that, but from what i have seen the refs are strongly favouring Brazil.

 

[sniper]

The point was there has obviously been a dramatic drop off in form.

As if I was referencing a 4-0 win against Italy as proof they were receiving undeserved plaudits.

Why would I even begin to predict a flop after a 4-0 win in the final. Completely goes against what I was saying.

If they lose to Australia this will be as much an unprecedented decline as any decline ever.

true story.
i'm not sure if this is down to some change in 'preparation'.
their passing game in midfield is still decent. a guy like jordi alba is still running like a locomotive.
cassillas has been responsible for at least two goals against netherlands and one against chile.
if he doesn't blunder, both matches might have taken a different walk.
spains first half against netherlands was still a quality performance. perhaps the best football i've seen so far in the tournament.

 

[hrotha]

I'd like to see the stats for total kilometers ran by Spain after the first 2 games. I imagine they're available, they always are. That should be interesting.

They're so dead, it does look like either someone was watching closely (this is football, though!), or they just botched up their preparation somehow.

 

[roundabout]

102,81km today vs 109,90km for Chile

102,04km in game 1

although I have no idea which numbers would be normal

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Are FIFA collecting blood samples which they will use for retrospective testing?

Spain, collectively, looked "off the pace".

 

[The Hitch]

As far as I remember, they were extremely lucky getting through the Italy match though. As in suspiciously lucky.

Spain was the worst one iirc. Spain had 4 goals disallowed and I think at least 2 if not 3 wrongly. 1 was because they thought the ball had crossed the goal kick line when it hadn't. You never see ref's make wrong calls on that.

But that whole tournament was a joke. I can remember at least 4 matches were the losing team got screwed by a disallowed goal.

 

[the sceptic]

102,81km today vs 109,90km for Chile

102,04km in game 1

although I have no idea which numbers would be normal

Me either, but it looked like Spain didnt have the energy to play their usual pressing game. Chile looked far more energetic and they ran non stop for 90 minutes.

 

[BradCantona]

looks like south american teams have the best "preparation" for this tournament. Not that that should be a surprise to anyone.

Uruguay gave you that impression as they bombed against Costa Rica eh? And Brazil / Argentina barely squeeking past unfancied opposition so far?

Surely if doping is going on, you'd expect the top players in the most physical and intense league in the World, the Premier League. Given all of England's players are based there, mostly at top clubs... why are they so far behind other nations? Or should they be asking for their money back in your opinion?

 

[Archibald]

I think they have been chosen to win it. Anything can happen to foil that, but from what i have seen the refs are strongly favouring Brazil.

chosen by who? FIFA or Betting Syndicates?

As for the refs, well, look at all Sth American teams. I've seen Chile get a couple of gifts. And this is a region that's known for attacking and even killing refs.

Dunno about you, but I wouldn't have much confidence in being able to leave the country after a decision or few that were made against this host nation/region.

 

[MrRoboto]

102,81km today vs 109,90km for Chile

102,04km in game 1

although I have no idea which numbers would be normal

According to this (dunno what sources he used):
http://www.dagbladet.no/2014/06/19/sport/fotball/fotball-vm/brasil2014/spania/33924467/
Spain's men averaged 9209m each, while Chile did 10157m (Which is a slightly bigger difference than your numbers).

It also says that in the 2010 World Cup, Spain averaged 10620m for each match.

 

[elduggo]

Irish sprinter fails drugs test

http://balls.ie/athletics/irish-sprinter-fails-drugs-test/

we're pretty *** at the sprinting. Makes you wonder what the big guns are on if some nobody irish sprinter feels the need to take EPO.

 

[Cloxxki]

Irish sprinter fails drugs test

http://balls.ie/athletics/irish-sprinter-fails-drugs-test/

we're pretty *** at the sprinting. Makes you wonder what the big guns are on if some nobody irish sprinter feels the need to take EPO.

It was in his Iron tablets he thinks? Would make total sense. If the iron doesn't fix your anemia, the EPO will.
How much iron or multivitamines to take, orally, with how much EPO content, to test positive? At least your take that stuff daily, and times are easy to remember.
Most interesting...

 

[sniper]

Irish sprinter fails drugs test

http://balls.ie/athletics/irish-sprinter-fails-drugs-test/

we're pretty *** at the sprinting. Makes you wonder what the big guns are on if some nobody irish sprinter feels the need to take EPO.

poor guy fails the IQ test.

Colvert is best known for narrowly missing out on qualification for the 200m at the 2012 London Olympics. He finished with a time of 20.57 seconds, just two hundreths of a second shy of making the cut for the games.

no wonder he started using after that result (if he wasn't using before).
going to the games or not is an existential difference for most guys at this level.
if you qualify you have funding for a couple of years, plus increased sponsor-related incomes.
if you don't, you'll have trouble paying the rent.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

On that note, the CAS has cleared Powell and Sherone Simpson for the time being. It makes me furious: they want to appeal their sentence (hearing scheduled in July), so CAS throws up their hands and say "Yeah, sure, might as well start racing now,". They're allowed to compete at Commonwealth Games now. I do not understand it, at all.

 

[SpannerBender]

Dutch team tet positive - FIFA......meh!

Looks like the Dutch football squad hired Leinders for the world cup......

http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-continue-world-cup-despite-doping-scandal/

Old dog, old tricks.

Glad to see it's not being swept under the carpet!

 

[fuzzydunlop3]

http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-continue-world-cup-despite-doping-scandal/

Old dog, old tricks.

Glad to see it's not being swept under the carpet!

that one's a hoax. i fell for it too

 

[SpannerBender]

that one's a hoax. i fell for it too

I'm surprise given the quality of the reporting on the front page

 

[scot785]

http://www.cyclenews.com/647/24635/Racing-Article/Supercross--James-Stewart-Fails-WADA-Drug-Test.aspx

Supercross rider, James Stewart, failed a drug test that was administered by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) at the Seattle Supercross on April 12, according to a release issued this afternoon by Yoshimura.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Triple jump world champion Teddy Tamgho has been banned for a year for missing three out-of-competition doping tests.


Back dated to the last missed test due to co-operation. He has been out of action with a broken leg during this timeframe.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

The first few sentences of the article should be engraved on the front door of any anti doping agency

Anti doping still operates under this myth that athletes are inherently good and only a few bad eggs would dope.

It shockingly underestimates the power of the will to win - hillariously used as an argument for cleanliness: eek:

I see you continue to peddle misinformation in your quest to advocate the myth that the vast majority of athletes will dope to win, even if after 5 years they would be dead. This is commonly known as the Goldman Dilemma named after Bob Goldman who conducted his unscientific study between 1982 and 1995 referenced in the Sports Illustrated article, dated April 14, 1997 that you cited. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...9868/index.htm)


You suggest the results be posted on the door of anti-doping agencies, all of which of course did not exist in April 1997 (e.g. WADA,1999; USADA, 2000; UKAD, 2009).

Your problem is that the Goldman Dilemma has never been replicated scientifically which of course is the cornerstone of credibility for any scientific study. This is a matter you conveniently overlook in pontificating the Goldman Dilemma as a front door adornment.

Attempts to replicate the study in fact determined just the opposite of what Goldman claimed and you so naively postulate as a fact.

A scientific study, in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, "Would you dope? A general population test of the Goldman dilemma" J M Connor, J Mazanov, Br J Sports Med 2009;43:871-872 doi:10.1136/bjsm.2009.057596 had as its objective the following,


"Objective: To test Goldman's dilemma on a general population sample by asking whether they would take the Faustian bargain of a drug that guaranteed sporting success but would result in their death in 5 years' time. Between 1982 and 1995 a bi-annual survey using this dilemma suggested half of all elite athletes would take the drug."

However the results are radically different than found by Goldman in 1995,

"Results: Only two of a sample of 250 reported they would take the bargain offered by the dilemma."

"Conclusions: Athletes differ markedly from the general population in response to the dilemma."

You really need to curb your enthusiasm for outdated and unscientific sources of information before positing fairy-tales about the willingness of athletes to dope. You really don't understand the mind of an athlete. You might also want to try getting into the 21st century, with your "data."

 

[blackcat]

general population?

you silly silly person. we are talking about type A personalities whose sport they pursue, is existential. it is their raison detre, every element of their identity, is informed by their sport as career, sports as self, sport as identity

 

[Dear Wiggo]

"Objective: To test Goldman's dilemma on a general population sample by asking whether they would take the Faustian bargain of a drug that guaranteed sporting success but would result in their death in 5 years' time. Between 1982 and 1995 a bi-annual survey using this dilemma suggested half of all elite athletes would take the drug."

However the results are radically different than found by Goldman in 1995,

"Results: Only two of a sample of 250 reported they would take the bargain offered by the dilemma."

"Conclusions: Athletes differ markedly from the general population in response to the dilemma."

You really need to bone up on Englsh and the difference between "general population" and "athletes" and the concept of "differ markedly".

Your study in fact proves Hitch's point futher, because the study you quote from is reinforcing the validity of the study Hitch is using as his point, as they use it in their comparison. If it was not worth citing, comparing their results to Goldman's results would seem silly, wouldn't it?

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

American motocross star Jimmy Stewart tests positive for amphetamines.

 

[blackcat]

American motocross star Jimmy Stewart tests positive for amphetamines.

that would be news if he tested negative