Doping in other sports?

[Dear Wiggo]

Dia de los Santos Inocentes prank: Right before start the speaker announces there will be doping tests for the ten top male runners and five top women runners, as well as random tests after the finish; pánico.

Not the first time I have heard of this trick, but I still love it nonetheless.
They should do it more often, and actually randomly implement the testing itself.

 

[Benotti69]

Not the first time I have heard of this trick, but I still love it nonetheless.
They should do it more often, and actually randomly implement the testing itself.

I think they should get more creative and announce it to competitors in the final long home straight and watch as competitors start clutching imaginary aches and suddenly pull up in pain.....be brilliant!

 

[RedheadDane]

I think they should get more creative and announce it to competitors in the final long home straight and watch as competitors start clutching imaginary aches and suddenly pull up in pain.....be brilliant!

And then they should pull everyone who does that in for testing anyway. If you don't wanna be tested, it probably means you're hiding something.

 

[neineinei]

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-014-0247-x?wt_mc=alerts.TOCjournals

Prevalence of Doping Use in Elite Sports: A Review of Numbers and Methods

Olivier de Hon,
Harm Kuipers,
Maarten van Bottenburg

This review outlines the various methods that exist and presents the scarce data available in this area. It is concluded that a combination of questionnaires using the Randomised Response Technique and models of biological parameters is able to provide the statistical possibilities to reveal accurate estimates of this often undisclosed practice. Data gathered in this way yield an estimation of 14–39 % of current adult elite athletes who intentionally used doping. These period prevalences have been found in specific sub-groups of elite athletes, and the available data suggest that the prevalence of doping is considerably different between sub-groups with varying types of sport, levels and nationalities. The above-mentioned figure of 14–39 % is likely to be a more accurate reflection of the prevalence of intentional doping in elite sports than that provided by doping control test results (estimate of doping: 1–2 % annually) or questionnaire-based research (estimations between 1 and 70 % depending on sport, level and exact definitions of intent and doping).

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

UFC light heavyweight champ Jon Jones tested positive for benzoylecgonine (the main metabolite in cocaine) in an OOC on 4 December 2014. Yet he was allowed to defend his title in a fight on 3 January 2015.

Why? Because NSAC says the test was a mistake, because it has no authority under the WADA code to test for recreational drugs OOC.


Jones checked himself into rehab, although I seriously doubt he is an addict, or even an habitual user. I rather suspect this was a ploy to dodge any criminal repercussions, as well as mitigate civil ones from his sponsors.

 

[wansteadimp]

UFC light heavyweight champ Jon Jones tested positive for benzoylecgonine (the main metabolite in cocaine) in an OOC on 4 December 2014. Yet he was allowed to defend his title in a fight on 3 January 2015.

Why? Because NSAC says the test was a mistake, because it has no authority under the WADA code to test for recreational drugs OOC.


Jones checked himself into rehab, although I seriously doubt he is an addict, or even an habitual user. I rather suspect this was a ploy to dodge any criminal repercussions, as well as mitigate civil ones from his sponsors.

A Deadspin article implied he was into his coke in a big way

"This doesn't come out of nowhere. In reporting this story, I heard a lot of rumors about Jones's cocaine use, some of which went past what you'd expect of a rich young celebrity in 2014. I left those alone partly because it's a long way from rumor to solid fact and partly because, as evidenced by his success, whatever he's been up to late at night hasn't hurt his athletic performance much. This is worth noting just by way of saying that this is more likely than not something that actually could affect his career, as opposed to the result of one night's bad decision. Just a few minutes ago, I got this text from a source close to Jones: Can't believe it took this long for jon to pop on coke."

http://deadspin.com/jon-jones-is-checking-into-rehab-after-testing-positive-1677860500

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

That noted deep thinker Nate Diaz opines that Jones doesn't use cocaine at all, that it all is a publicity-generating stunt.


On a related note, Jon Jones three OOC T/E ratios tested very ...odd. The results were 0.35:1, 0.29:1 and 0.19:1. No, I do not have those backwards. All three ratios were <1:1.

And if that wasn't curious enough, his total Test numbers were 59ng/dL to 170ng/dL. It beggars belief that a 27-year-old man with total Test numbers in the geriatric range can be an elite athlete.

NSAC found it odd, too, so they ran the carbon isotope test to detect synthetic Test and it came negative. I have no idea what's going on there but I highly suspect Jon Jones is a trailblazer into some new and as yet unpublicised realm of PEDs.

 

[blackcat]

That noted deep thinker Nate Diaz opines that Jones doesn't use cocaine at all, that it all is a publicity-generating stunt.


On a related note, Jon Jones three OOC T/E ratios tested very ...odd. The results were 0.35:1, 0.29:1 and 0.19:1. No, I do not have those backwards. All three ratios were <1:1.

And if that wasn't curious enough, his total Test numbers were 59ng/dL to 170ng/dL. It beggars belief that a 27-year-old man total Test numbers in the geriatric range can be an elite athlete.

NSAC found it odd, too, so they ran the carbon isotope test to detect synthetic Test and it came negative. I have no idea what's going on there but I highly suspect Jon Jones is a trailblazer into some new and as yet unpublicised realm of PEDs.

maybe hgh can suppress test, and he is on a GHRP (growth hormone releasing peptide).

maybe the "growth" and they call it in bodybuilding circles, or the GH, does the job better than testo, and he does not take any testo peptide, and his body is recompensating for his OD on testo previously.

 

[blackcat]

UFC light heavyweight champ Jon Jones tested positive for benzoylecgonine (the main metabolite in cocaine) in an OOC on 4 December 2014. Yet he was allowed to defend his title in a fight on 3 January 2015.

Why? Because NSAC says the test was a mistake, because it has no authority under the WADA code to test for recreational drugs OOC.


Jones checked himself into rehab, although I seriously doubt he is an addict, or even an habitual user. I rather suspect this was a ploy to dodge any criminal repercussions, as well as mitigate civil ones from his sponsors.

how is his backhand and French kissing like Dicky Gasquet?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Here's someone who could give Dan Benson a run for his money in the ****wit hack stakes.

Talk about someone missing the point here:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...ohn-wales-andre-schurrle-chelsea-arwel-thomas

Players need to be 'bulky'... wonder how you get like that...

 

[The Hitch]

I really don't think Benson is that bad. He's shown balls to ask people the right questions on a number of occasions.
He's not going to take anyone on but he's by no means a hack like many of them.

There's far worse than him out there.

 

[thehog]

I really don't think Benson is that bad. He's shown balls to ask people the right questions on a number of occasions.
He's not going to take anyone on but he's by no means a hack like many of them.

There's far worse than him out there.

Agreed. I have a lot of respect for Benson. He doesn't fanboy any team or rider and gives a full view of cycling across the world. And at least be asks some questions of Walsh and Vaughters that every other cycling journalists doesn't.

 

[sniper]

Agreed. I have a lot of respect for Benson. He doesn't fanboy any team or rider and gives a full view of cycling across the world. And at least be asks some questions of Walsh and Vaughters that every other cycling journalists doesn't.

He asked jv the right questions (e.g. about the magic year 2006) last time, and Vaughters deflected in ways many clinic trolls would be proud of.
vaughters not amswering must have been a proper eye opener also for Benson.
but yeah, unlikely Benson will ever go Kimmage.

 

[crapna]

http://www.nrk.no/sport/besseberg_-_-vi-har-positive-dopingprover-1.12142961

Several biathletes tested positive. Hope it's not just another russophobic bust.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

http://www.nrk.no/sport/besseberg_-_-vi-har-positive-dopingprover-1.12142961

Several biathletes tested positive. Hope it's not just another russophobic bust.

Here it is in english: http://www.biathlonews.com/anders-b...sibly-the-biggest-doping-scandal-in-biathlon/

 

[jens_attacks]

Yeah right just like the dozens positive to cera in 2008 girp and tour

 

[neineinei]

Here it is in english: http://www.biathlonews.com/anders-b...sibly-the-biggest-doping-scandal-in-biathlon/

The headline seams a bit over the top. This three week old IBU press release probably gives a more accurate description: http://www3.biathlonworld.com/en/press_releases.html/do/detail?presse=2359

There is more discussion of it over in the Doping in XC skiing thread

 

[the delgados]

Here's someone who could give Dan Benson a run for his money in the ****wit hack stakes.

Talk about someone missing the point here:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...ohn-wales-andre-schurrle-chelsea-arwel-thomas

Players need to be 'bulky'... wonder how you get like that...

All in time. Dan Benson asked the questions when everything came out in the open. And I'm sure he's taken a great deal of heat for doing so. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he got on the wrong side of Jens farewell tour by asking the effing obvious.
I know nothing about rugby, but based on the column you forwarded, doping is still a secret in the sport. And it seems to me the writer was alluding to it, but couldn't say anything outright for a variety of reasons.
I remember responding to an article written by a prominent tennis columnist, who seemed to me to make it clear that doping was rampant within the sport. His column was very similar to the rugby guy.
His response to my question about whether or not tennis has a steroid problem was an emphatic NO. Then i realized I asked a stupid question. As if an insider would open up to a total stranger.
Remember that these beat writers have a job to do; and openly speculating about drugs in the sport they cover will put their jobs at risk.
I'm not saying it's right, but that's they way it is.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.nrk.no/sport/besseberg_-_-vi-har-positive-dopingprover-1.12142961

Several biathletes tested positive. Hope it's not just another russophobic bust.

Until Bjoerndalen is busted, I am not gonna take any of these 'positive' doping tests seriously. The guy needs to be outed for what he is, a blatant cheater that has gotten ridiculous amounts of support from the IBU, WADA, Norwegian Federation and IOC for almost 20 years. Him still being out there and competing with people 20 years younger than him is a joke and a spit in the face of clean sport.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Bas Ruten offered in last week's Inside MMA TV show that he didn't think Jon Jones had a drug dependency problem for the same reason I don't: he's performing at too high of a level. And the whole rehab thing is a PR manoeuver. But they made no mention of the strange testosterone numbers, which to me is the real meat of that sandwich.

 

[@NL_LeMondFans]

French pilot Franck Montagny got busted for cocaine. He admits having taken a drug bought off a random dealer at a train station to "unplug". He said he thought he wasn't going to race a few days later because he didn't feel good anyway. Only he did race.

https://fr.sports.yahoo.com/news/sp...ny-positif-à-un-dérivé-de-111325118--spt.html

So... his defense is "recreational use with no intent of doping" ? Seems to me this guy has an addiction problem. I don't know about you but when I feel I need to "unplug" or whatever, I just go home early and drink a beer, not start looking for dealers in a train station. Even more if I'm scheduled for a car race in which I can be tested.

It's sad because the guy is interesting. He's a consultant on TV for formula one and his comments are really helpful. He's good at it. Such a waste.

 

[blackcat]

Richard Gasquet.

just practise ur french kissing at clubs brah

 

[DirtyWorks]

Remember that these beat writers have a job to do; and openly speculating about drugs in the sport they cover will put their jobs at risk.
I'm not saying it's right, but that's they way it is.

Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner! It should be a sticky somewhere.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Jon Jones spent one night in drug rehab, then checked himself out. So not only is he pound-for-pound the world's greatest azz-kicker, he also is the world's greatest drug habit-kicker. He intends attending a professional American football match on Sunday, in which his brother will play.


Jones' opponent in UFC 182, Daniel Cormier, also had curious T/E ratios in OOCs the month before the fight: 0.4:1 & 0.48:1. But Cormier's results were different in that his total Test was in the normal range.

This is where I point out that both men are African-American and, statistically, black men tend to have the highest average T/E ratios of all ethnicities.


The 'buzz' in the MMA forums is that this ain't normal, and speculation is that either this is evidence of some masking agent or (more likely) some undetected PED that also (AAS-like) depresses natural production of Test.

 

[neineinei]

Yesterday an official from the Saransk Center for Sports Training gave an interview to Itar-Tass where he declared that the Russian race walker Elena Lashmanova did not participate at the Mordovia Race Walking Cup in December 2014.

Slow news day one might think, but there was a real problem behind it; persistent internet rumours that she did indeed participate at said competition, with photos fueling it all. And the underlaying problem was of course that she was supposed to be serving a two year ban from competition for her GW1516 positive from 4 January 2014. (She is the 2012 Olympic 20 km race walk champion by the way.)

The problem seems to have started when the Italian website Marcia dal Mondo wrote this story 9 January. After a few days the story had become so hot that a cover up had to be thought out. But the race walking fashion police and internet sleuths wasn't too impressed, and now the Russian Athletics federation is also investigating the case. Please read the full story (and see the pictures) here:

https://translate.google.com/transl...13/vfla-lashmanova-rassledovaniye/&edit-text=
http://skirun.ru/2015/01/13/vfla-lashmanova-rassledovaniye/