Doping in other sports?

[fuzzydunlop3]

http://swimswam.com/world-record-holder-sun-yang-banned-positive-doping-test/

 

[frenchfry]

Here is an interesting story.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...ste-a-finalement-ete-relaxe_4532314_3242.html

To summarise, a Moroccan cross country runner tested positive for CERA at a regional cross country race in France. The same athlete had previously tested positive for PEDs in 2012.

He says that he didn't actually participate in the race, that he was present only as a spectator. This despite the fact that he submitted a request to race organisors for a reimbursement of his plane ticket from Morocco. The race organiser assures that the runner picked up his race number the day of the race, but has no signature of the runner confirming this fact.

The athlete submitted a medical certificate dated 5 days before the race indicating he was inapt to participate in the race (I thought this was strange - who actually requests such a certificate, unless there is some sort of contractual or reglementary obligation to participate as I think may exist in tennis for example). It isn't explicitly stated in the article nor in the referenced official document that the runner did actually participate in the race, though it seems pretty clear that he did. It could be that he fully intended to participate, but didn't because he learned of the doping controls that were planned.

Since the doping control in question was only authorised at the end of a competition, it was invalidated.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Rugby continues its rapid downfall

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/WRU-player-banned-following-ADRV2

Yet another Welsh club player banned for steroids. This one is aged 29, not even one of those youngsters trying for a breakthrough contract.

 

[Parker]

Rugby continues its rapid downfall

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/WRU-player-banned-following-ADRV2

Yet another Welsh club player banned for steroids. This one is aged 29, not even one of those youngsters trying for a breakthrough contract.

The South Wales valleys are overflowing with roiders. It's not necessarily a rugby thing, it's just what they do there.

 

[Benotti69]

The South Wales valleys are overflowing with roiders. It's not necessarily a rugby thing, it's just what they do there.

So the population of South Wales take lots of steroids?

I dont think so. Most sports have a serious doping problem.

 

[Parker]

So the population of South Wales take lots of steroids?

I dont think so. Most sports have a serious doping problem.

Up in the valleys, certainly. The valley boy roider is a local stereotype. You should go there. The shape (and colour) of people is hilarious.

From 2006: 'worst levels of steroid abuse in the UK' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5139870.stm
And this from this year http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/alarm-over-steroid-use-wales-7035953

 

[Catwhoorg]

I don't recall it being quite so much of an issue, but then again I haven't lived in South Wales since 2003.

(And even then it was Cardiff, not the Valleys)

 

[neineinei]

Here is an interesting story.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...ste-a-finalement-ete-relaxe_4532314_3242.html

To summarise, a Moroccan cross country runner tested positive for CERA at a regional cross country race in France. The same athlete had previously tested positive for PEDs in 2012.

He says that he didn't actually participate in the race, that he was present only as a spectator. This despite the fact that he submitted a request to race organisors for a reimbursement of his plane ticket from Morocco. The race organiser assures that the runner picked up his race number the day of the race, but has no signature of the runner confirming this fact.

The athlete submitted a medical certificate dated 5 days before the race indicating he was inapt to participate in the race (I thought this was strange - who actually requests such a certificate, unless there is some sort of contractual or reglementary obligation to participate as I think may exist in tennis for example). It isn't explicitly stated in the article nor in the referenced official document that the runner did actually participate in the race, though it seems pretty clear that he did. It could be that he fully intended to participate, but didn't because he learned of the doping controls that were planned.

Since the doping control in question was only authorised at the end of a competition, it was invalidated.

That was very interesting and very stange. Somehow they weren't allowed to test him out of competition, and still they managed to get hold of him and squeese enough body fluids out him for the A and B sample. Hopefully he won't get race organizers to pay for his expences in the future.

 

[neineinei]

Rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, weightlifting, wrestling, cycling, rugby, boxing, boxing, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, cycling, boxing, weightlifting

That was from the first page of UK anti-dopings sanction list.

http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/current-violations/

 

[The Hitch]

Rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, weightlifting, wrestling, cycling, rugby, boxing, boxing, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, cycling, boxing, weightlifting

That was from the first page of UK anti-dopings sanction list.

http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/current-violations/

Are they all small fry though?

 

[Benotti69]

From Kimmages article

.......There is something about their size.

'Where's the fat?'

And the texture and tone of their skin jolts with him. He's a big man, and has played with big men, but these guys are from a different planet.

C'est pas normal.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rug...to-face-up-to-its-growing-pains-30766512.html

"........from a different planet"

 

[neineinei]

Are they all small fry though?

Couldn't name a rugby player if my life depended on it. There is one name in there that I know. He went from small fry to pot roast in 3 years.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Are they all small fry though?

Sam Chalmers certainly isn't small fry. Son of a veritable legend and on the cusp of an international career. (He was pretty much an ever present in the U20s).

But he is an exception, mostly well down the totem pole.

 

[frenchfry]

That was very interesting and very stange. Somehow they weren't allowed to test him out of competition, and still they managed to get hold of him and squeese enough body fluids out him for the A and B sample. Hopefully he won't get race organizers to pay for his expences in the future.

Apparently the doping tests conducted were only validated for in-competition, for some reason they weren't allowed as out of competition, possibly because El-Hachimi didn't have a French licence. El-Hachimi claims he was "constrained" by the race organiser and the anti-doping controler to give samples. It is a very procedural issue and not easy to follow some of the complexities. In short though the guy got off on a technicality.

 

[The Hitch]

The South Wales valleys are overflowing with roiders. It's not necessarily a rugby thing, it's just what they do there.

So Welsh dope, Spaniards dope, English absolutely do not.
Very interesting. Could you continue to fill in your world geography of doping for us?

 

[Parker]

So Welsh dope, Spaniards dope, English absolutely do not.

When have I ever said anything like that? People take drugs in every country. Some more than others - but in all of them.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Interesting effort to quantify differences between clean power lifters and "untested" lifters.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-powerlifting-tells-us-about-the-effects-of-peds/

 

[neineinei]

Apparently the doping tests conducted were only validated for in-competition, for some reason they weren't allowed as out of competition, possibly because El-Hachimi didn't have a French licence. El-Hachimi claims he was "constrained" by the race organiser and the anti-doping controler to give samples. It is a very procedural issue and not easy to follow some of the complexities. In short though the guy got off on a technicality.

Yes I agree, but IAAF claims they can test anyone anywhere at any time. The French anti-doping authority should be allowed to test anyone they want to test in France at any time, when they can't there is something wrong. I'd like to blame it on Craig Reedie, he is the soggy rag that is president of WADA.

 

[neineinei]

Winter sports, Slalom. Not doping, but cheating and corruption related.

Violinist Vanessa-Mae in four-year skiing ban over fiddled races

More via Guardian article:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/nov/11/vanessa-mae-violinist-banned-skiing-four-years

Now she's appealed to CAS. If anyone should appeal anything in this case to CAS it is WADA. Letting corrupt officials get back into sports isn't right. This I am definatly blaming on Craig Reedie, the soggy rag that goes for president of WADA. (I know it wasn't a doping case, but it needs a wet rag.)

http://www.rte.ie/sport/winter-sports/2014/1204/664640-vanessa-mae-takes-skiing-ban-to-cas/

http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/7903/5048/0/Media20Release20Vanakorn20(English).pdf

 

[frenchfry]

There was a report on an obscure investigative news show last night featuring a retired French rugyman who is convinced he was treated with cortisone (without his knowledge) while on the French national team in 1995. He also pointed to the incredible increase of the size of modern rugymen (average gain of 20kg) without any loss of performance as a clear indication of doping.

 

[Benotti69]

So Welsh dope, Spaniards dope, English absolutely do not.
Very interesting. Could you continue to fill in your world geography of doping for us?

Geraint Thomas and Nicole Cooke barely touch the ground they are so high......

 

[WillemS]

Interesting effort to quantify differences between clean power lifters and "untested" lifters.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-powerlifting-tells-us-about-the-effects-of-peds/

Interesting article.

Just one remark:

If you're a truly competitive dope-head that knows how and has the resources to test negative*, where would you go? A tournament with a relatively clean field or a tournament with a relatively dirty field? I would go to the "clean" tournament, have a moderate steroids regime, make sure I test clean and beat the hell out of everyone.

So, to truly compare the two fields, I would not look at the winners, as I have that might reflect the difference between moderate versus full-on steroid use. I would look at trimmed means of matched participants (e.g., matched on training hours/week).

*) Testing negative for most 'roids is not that difficult without "Out of Competition"-testing.

 

[neineinei]

The last IAAF newsletter of the year was published yesterday. New doping sanctions

Various small fry: 3 RUS, 1 UKR, 1 ITL, 1 ROU, 1 IND, 1 CHN, 1 UZB

The biggest name among them is Yuriy Andronov, who tested positive for Trimetazidine The only other IAAF athlete currently banned for a Trimetazidine positive is Kseniya Ryzhova, for nine months. Andronov got two years.

IAAF List of currently sanctioned athletes

 

[blackcat]

There was a report on an obscure investigative news show last night featuring a retired French rugyman who is convinced he was treated with cortisone (without his knowledge) while on the French national team in 1995. He also pointed to the incredible increase of the size of modern rugymen (average gain of 20kg) without any loss of performance as a clear indication of doping.

l'Homme des Cavernes
The Caveman
Sebastian Chabal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sébastien_Chabal

 

[blackcat]