Doping in other sports?

[observer]

Bit of a scandal starting to unfold in Horse Racing in Australia.

http://theage.com.au/sport/horserac...itive-to-cobalt-chloride-20150113-12nqj7.html

Cobalt Chloride apparently the drug of choice?

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh, nice to see Moody's name pop up, not that he'd care. The rewards for doping are ridiculous if you can turn a donkey into a bloodline...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Man alive. Classic doping talk...

"specified threshold for cobalt chloride" - is it naturally occurring?

"have always placed great emphasis on integrity and operating within the rules of racing" vs " I do not dope my horses". Sounds like the classic DB line - it ain't cheating if it ain't in the rule book.

"Kavanagh's positive sample was returned from Magicool after he won the listed UCI Stakes at Flemington" - can't get away from the UCI anywhere eh?


"We will not be putting a timeline on the completion of this process" - Kreuziger was treated the same.

 

[LaFlorecita]

uhhhhh

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Good check up w/ the doc today. That PRP machine spins your blood & enriches it before re injecting for recovery

 

[neineinei]

http://dunfeewalks.weebly.com/canadian-tf-blog/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-saransk-and-russia

One more banned race walker has been spotted in the photos from the 2014 Mordovia Race Walk Cup: Ekaterina Medvedeva, who is serving a two year ban from all competition after testing positive for EPO 19 May 2013.

Lashmanova (39) and Medvedeva (34) competing while banned

The 2014 Mordovia Race Walk Cup was held in honor of German Skurygin who died of a heart attack at the age of 45. - One of Victor Chegins many caught dopers.

Sergey Morozov wasn't competing, he is after all banned for life with no chance of a comeback, unlike Lashmanova and Medvedeva, but he was ring side at the 2014 Mordovia Race Walk Cup, right next to Chegin. Morozov managed to get banned for life at the age of 24, after first serving two years for EPO and then being caught by the bio passport.

 

[Parker]

uhhhhh

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Good check up w/ the doc today. That PRP machine spins your blood & enriches it before re injecting for recovery

PRP is allowed by WADA. See section S2 from here: http://www.usada.org/substances/prohibited-list/athlete-guide-2015-prohibited-list/

•Even though Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) contains some growth factors, WADA has clarified that PRP is permitted.

It's best to know what you're talking about before you start chucking accusations around on twitter. (You'd really be advised to offer a grovelling apology to him)

 

[LaFlorecita]

PRP is allowed by WADA. See section S2 from here: http://www.usada.org/substances/prohibited-list/athlete-guide-2015-prohibited-list/

It's best to know what you're talking about before you start chucking accusations around on twitter. (You'd really be advised to offer a grovelling apology to him)

That is ***, enriching your blood is okay apparently it may not be illegal but it's definitely unethical. And I always think: if you're prepared to do the unethical, you're also prepared to do the illegal as you do not give a single **** about the others.

(Not to mention that guy is an idiot for posting it online, can you imagine the ****storm it would cause if Nibali or Kittel posted that?)

 

[King Boonen]

That is ***, enriching your blood is okay apparently it may not be illegal but it's definitely unethical.

You really should do some reading before you make these posts.

 

[Parker]

That is ***, enriching your blood is okay apparently it may not be illegal but it's definitely unethical.

So you think you know better than WADA do you?

And why is it unethical? It's a legitmate medical procedure to help recovery after a major wrist operation.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You really should do some reading before you make these posts.

Sorry, I posted this after someone who knows more about doping than 99.9% of the members on here posted it somewhere else.

So you think you know better than WADA do you?

No, I don't.

And why is it unethical? It's a legitmate medical procedure to help recovery after a major wrist operation.

Ugh really. Not even going to answer this. Was Kittel's UV therapy okay too in your opinion? It helped him recover from a cold

 

[blackcat]

Jon Jones spent one night in drug rehab, then checked himself out. So not only is he pound-for-pound the world's greatest azz-kicker, he also is the world's greatest drug habit-kicker. He intends attending a professional American football match on Sunday, in which his brother will play.


Jones' opponent in UFC 182, Daniel Cormier, also had curious T/E ratios in OOCs the month before the fight: 0.4:1 & 0.48:1. But Cormier's results were different in that his total Test was in the normal range.

This is where I point out that both men are African-American and, statistically, black men tend to have the highest average T/E ratios of all ethnicities.


The 'buzz' in the MMA forums is that this ain't normal, and speculation is that either this is evidence of some masking agent or (more likely) some undetected PED that also (AAS-like) depresses natural production of Test.

masking agent. or an alternative to testo. p'raps hgh does the equivalent job

 

[King Boonen]

Sorry, I posted this after someone who knows more about doping than 99.9% of the members on here posted it somewhere else.

Well they obviously don't know anything about PRP then.

 

[blackcat]

So you think you know better than WADA do you?

And why is it unethical? It's a legitmate medical procedure to help recovery after a major wrist operation.

Well they obviously don't know anything about PRP then.

crawford was doing this on the eskimo danielson

 

[Catwhoorg]

The best thing to know about PRP is that it shows little evidence of efficacy* anyway.


Unless by efficacy you mean the effective transfer of money from fools.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well they obviously don't know anything about PRP then.

Indeed, that is the only possible explanation. A question: what do you think would have been the response on the forum if it had been Froome tweeting a picture of himself receiving some enriched blood?

The best thing to know about PRP is that it shows little evidence of efficacy* anyway.

Unless by efficacy you mean the effective transfer of money from fools.

That is good to know

 

[King Boonen]

The best thing to know about PRP is that it shows little evidence of efficacy* anyway.


Unless by efficacy you mean the effective transfer of money from fools.

Latest Cochrane report showed very weak evidence for short-term pain relief in musculo-skeletal injuries, which might be expected, but yeah it terms of what it is pushed for and doping it's rubbish.

 

[King Boonen]

Indeed, that is the only possible explanation. A question: what do you think would have been the response on the forum if it had been Froome tweeting a picture of himself receiving some enriched blood?

Considering that most of the people who accuse Froome of doping at least reasonably educate themselves about the topic at hand, I think they would be more bothered about him violating the no-needles policy.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

So you think you know better than WADA do you?

I think I do. Not in all things, but in several.

WADA is not infallible. I'm not referring to PRP, but in general, I will not use WADA as an ethical guide, even if I have to use it as the legal guide.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I think I do. Not in all things, but in several.

WADA is not infallible. I'm not referring to PRP, but in general, I will not use WADA as an ethical guide, even if I have to use it as the legal guide.

So true.

According to some "Masters" "Grand Masters" age groupers in Running and Tri's it is A-OK by WADA if you go to a "doctor" get tested for "LOW T" and get monthly load up by "doctors". HAHA WTF I'm 45 going on 46 and Ill be dammed if I would do that.

Maybe I'm just bitter because all these dudes are getting away with it but I would like to think it is ethics and morals at play.

Anyhow ---sorry to rant. Just got finished with a tempo run and my general overall mood is all over the place.

 

[Catwhoorg]

So true.

According to some "Masters" "Grand Masters" age groupers in Running and Tri's it is A-OK by WADA if you go to a "doctor" get tested for "LOW T" and get monthly load up by "doctors". HAHA WTF I'm 45 going on 46 and Ill be dammed if I would do that.

Maybe I'm just bitter because all these dudes are getting away with it but I would like to think it is ethics and morals at play.

Anyhow ---sorry to rant. Just got finished with a tempo run and my general overall mood is all over the place.

Actually any form of testosterone replacement therapy is not going to be given a TUE, unless you are quite literally emasculated.

So they are just justifying their doping in their minds. It really isn't the case.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Actually any form of testosterone replacement therapy is not going to be given a TUE, unless you are quite literally emasculated.

So they are just justifying their doping in their minds. It really isn't the case.

Thank you for the info Catwhoorg! I just assumed without looking it up that if these guys had a script then they would be good to go. They way they tell it all out in the open.

It is amazing and jaw doping at the same time.

I go to a gym and use the pool for my workouts especially this time of year. The crap that a group of these guys spew is literally amazing. They justify there testo. I'm just amazed that these people share the same planet.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I was a 'guinea pig' for a cancer questionnaire that is going out later this year. Part of a long term American Cancer society study.

The first part mainly diet and exercise, then the group was split male/female and I was actually the only male that evening.

The questionnaire as written did include questions about TRT and so it is being looked at for longer term cancer risk. However we had a good sound discussion on other possible agents that maybe should be included (if not this round then next).

He literally had no idea just how cheap EPO and HGH can be bought over the internet. Though of course the quality may or may not be dubious.

Then I mentioned things like GW501516, he was literally aghast that people would put such stuff into their bodies knowing the side effects.

That evening I educated a terrified someone who really had no clue about how widespread amateur doping truly is. I suggested he read a couple of bodybuilding forums to really see how casual about it some people are.

 

[neineinei]

The second golf player banned after drug testing started in 2008; small fry Bhavik Patel is banned for a year for a positive for some unnamed substance.

The first one was Doug Barron, who got the ban reduced and also got a TUE for testosterone (hmm).

And Vijay Singh had a IGF-1 scare after he'd used deer antler spray (hmm), so he is suing PGA.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/12167377/pga-tour-suspends-bhavik-patel-one-year-doping

 

[heart_attack_man]

uhhhhh

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Good check up w/ the doc today. That PRP machine spins your blood & enriches it before re injecting for recovery

Hi All - long time Clinic lurker, first time poster. I did a bit of a search around and couldn't find anything so just thought I'd ask in a new thread. If there is a thread around I apologise.

Was curious to know what opinions there are here about the benefits of doping or using PEDs in MotoGP and also whether if the general consensus is that it is likely that there is widespread usage.

There was an interesting interview with Ben Spies in the wake of Wonder-boy's non-contest of the reasoned decision.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ben-spies-doping-motogp-interview/

I was having a chat with a mate about it who has been a massive fan of motorcycle racing for many many years, and I thought that it would be a bit naiive to think that there weren't some of them getting some help. We were discussing the merits of what would be useful and what wouldn't be in motogp and I'm also curious if what Ben says in this article is on the money or hyperbole. I posited that there could be a number of benefits in much the same way as any single-day race. Also, I found it coincidental and curious that there are so many Spanish riders in the upper echelons. And that I'd be very surprised in a sport where .01's matter if there wasn't a search for whatever performance improvements could be found...

Would welcome and constructive input.

Good post, Heart_Attack_Man!

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I love this story. Banned Russian racewalker illegally competed at the end of last year. She was called out, and the russians try to doctor photos and results to say the race happened in 2012...

Really great detective work.

http://dunfeewalks.weebly.com/canadian-tf-blog/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-saransk-and-russia

Really awful corruption (both that it is extreme, and poorly executed )