Doping in other sports?

[Catwhoorg]

Then you have John Daly (Daley?) the alcoholic who won the Open at St Andrews on a dry spell.
(though he did out the widespread use of cocaine on the pro-tour)

He was an ultimate example of a power hitter who more often than not was there, but only rarely in the very top few, as he lacked the touch of approach play.


Then Seve who was great at approach play and would have been world class could he actually hit a fairway more than half the time...

I really have no idea if golfers dope, I suspect plenty at the top do, but its almost certainly secondary to their usually fairly transient success if they do.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Then you have John Daly (Daley?) the alcoholic who won the Open at St Andrews on a dry spell.
(though he did out the widespread use of cocaine on the pro-tour)

He was an ultimate example of a power hitter who more often than not was there, but only rarely in the very top few, as he lacked the touch of approach play.


Then Seve who was great at approach play and would have been world class could he actually hit a fairway more than half the time...

I really have no idea if golfers dope, I suspect plenty at the top do, but its almost certainly secondary to their usually fairly transient success if they do.

I was of the opinion, sorry, not my opinion, a received perspective, that John Daly had phernomenal touch, pheeeeeennnnnooooommmmaaannnal touch like Phil Mickelson.

but he was a drunk and liked too much food.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.golf.com/ap-news/daly-not-do ... -surprises

Daly dusted off his long drives and showed the touch around the greens that won him two majors, including his breakthrough victory in the 1991 PGA

 

[simoni]

I find it impossible to believe that there isn't anything going on in gold. Where there's crazy money there's certainly incentive.

A stronger body, all else being equal, leads to a longer drive. A longer drive makes for an easier approach shot.

The reason the issue isn't given the importance it is in something like cycling is because length of drive is far from the sole determinant of success.

 

[SkyTears]

if there's anyone believing that there is a clean sport somewhere ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 73479.html

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Veterinarians plead guilty in horse doping scandal.

http://fox43.com/2015/04/14/veterinaria ... g-scandal/

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Re:

if there's anyone believing that there is a clean sport somewhere ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 73479.html

Facing a 15 year ban.....phew !!
A lot to get of his Chess..T then so.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

I find it impossible to believe that there isn't anything going on in gold. Where there's crazy money there's certainly incentive.

A stronger body, all else being equal, leads to a longer drive. A longer drive makes for an easier approach shot.

The reason the issue isn't given the importance it is in something like cycling is because length of drive is far from the sole determinant of success.

drive for show
put for dough$$$$$$

benjamins

crenshaw

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

Just wondering if anyone has any info on golf. Does doping happen there. I have never played it so don't know what the challenges are. I'm guessing physicality isn't really important since so many people in their 40's are good at it. What about mind drugs things like that.

tiger wwoods used the same doctor as aroid who was busted trying to smuggle HGH over the border.

Don't know if that is the golfing equivalent of working with Dr Ferrari but it has to be pretty close.

Actually there's some interesting discussion of Tiger-dope in this forum:

http://thesandtrap.com/t/80150/the-tige ... -thread/54

They don't have a clinic there, but the thread seems ok balanced

Maybe a little, but there seems to be too much predictable use of the - he hasn't been convicted therefore he must be clean, argument.

A group of people who have watched and followed professional cycling for the last decade and who followed the threads of where the doping scandals went (like puerto and how it connected to tennis, football) are at the end of the day going to be a million times more knowledgable and informed on the issue than fans from any other sport who have not the slightest clue as to how doping works.

Even letsrun is mostly filled by people who seem to think doping stopped when Gatlin got caught.

Man I have not been over to the funhouse in a while but if that is the case then that place has done a 180.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

I find it impossible to believe that there isn't anything going on in gold. Where there's crazy money there's certainly incentive.

A stronger body, all else being equal, leads to a longer drive. A longer drive makes for an easier approach shot.

The reason the issue isn't given the importance it is in something like cycling is because length of drive is far from the sole determinant of success.

drive for show
put for dough$$$$$$

benjamins

crenshaw

These days I think it is mainly Australians PGA players that are doing the most dope.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...one-to-cheat-during-international-tournament/

Chess Grand Master Gaioz Nigalidze just got caught

Nigalidze would promptly reply to my moves and then literally run to the toilet,” Armenian grandmaster Tigran Petrosian said. “I noticed that he would always visit the same toilet partition, which was strange, since two other partitions weren’t occupied.”

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re: Re:

Even letsrun is mostly filled by people who seem to think doping stopped when Gatlin got caught.

What makes you say that? The only denier seems to be Renato Canova/Kenyans and the owners/Radcliffe. The unregistered and inconsistent usernames does make it hard to get a general sense. The place can really be an echo chamber, as posters regularly reply to themselves under different names...

 

[neineinei]

Re:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...one-to-cheat-during-international-tournament/

Chess Grand Master Gaioz Nigalidze just got caught

Nigalidze would promptly reply to my moves and then literally run to the toilet,” Armenian grandmaster Tigran Petrosian said. “I noticed that he would always visit the same toilet partition, which was strange, since two other partitions weren’t occupied.”

FIDE does actually carry out doping tests. They have used the same person for years, and whenever she shows up everybody knows it is the doping test day. When the press during last years worlds reported that there would be doping tests that day after they'd spotted her, the organizers/FIDE got upset, the testing was supposed to be secret and unanounced.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Even letsrun is mostly filled by people who seem to think doping stopped when Gatlin got caught.

What makes you say that? The only denier seems to be Renato Canova/Kenyans and the owners/Radcliffe. The unregistered and inconsistent usernames does make it hard to get a general sense. The place can really be an echo chamber, as posters regularly reply to themselves under different names...

The fact that in that poll they had 75% said Bolt was clean.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I find it impossible to believe that there isn't anything going on in gold. Where there's crazy money there's certainly incentive.

A stronger body, all else being equal, leads to a longer drive. A longer drive makes for an easier approach shot.

The reason the issue isn't given the importance it is in something like cycling is because length of drive is far from the sole determinant of success.

drive for show
put for dough$$$$$$

benjamins

crenshaw

These days I think it is mainly Australians PGA players that are doing the most dope.

yes, hookers, blow, and allenby

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

I find it impossible to believe that there isn't anything going on in gold. Where there's crazy money there's certainly incentive.

A stronger body, all else being equal, leads to a longer drive. A longer drive makes for an easier approach shot.

The reason the issue isn't given the importance it is in something like cycling is because length of drive is far from the sole determinant of success.

drive for show
put for dough$$$$$$

benjamins

crenshaw

These days I think it is mainly Australians PGA players that are doing the most dope.

yes, hookers, blow, and allenby

who knew they were all after the cat mate.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I find it impossible to believe that there isn't anything going on in gold. Where there's crazy money there's certainly incentive.

A stronger body, all else being equal, leads to a longer drive. A longer drive makes for an easier approach shot.

The reason the issue isn't given the importance it is in something like cycling is because length of drive is far from the sole determinant of success.

drive for show
put for dough$$$$$$

benjamins

crenshaw

These days I think it is mainly Australians PGA players that are doing the most dope.

yes, tiger likes his hookers and blow too doesnt he

yes, hookers, blow, and allenby

who knew they were all after the cat mate.

 

[Merckx index]

The NBA released a statement today announcing that the league will begin testing players for human growth hormone during the 2015-2016 season.

During the last round of CBA negotiations, the players’ union and the league agreed to implement a system that would test players for HGH, and that system is now complete. Players will be subject to three random tests annually—two will be administered during the regular season and one during the offseason. Players will be suspended for 20 games for a first positive test, 45 games for a second, and “dismissed and disqualified from the NBA” for a third.

http://deadspin.com/the-nba-will-start- ... 1698296052

Hard to imagine any player dumb enough to get caught three times for the same substance, but this three-strikes-and-you're-out rule is interesting compared to the usual slap-on-the-wrist for the first two positives. Twenty games is one-fourth of the season, and 45 games a little more than half. Since half the teams make the post-season, the regular season doesn't mean that much, losing a player for twenty games could even be a beneficial swap if he plays better in the playoffs.

 

[Cloxxki]

With the number off games they get to play, this basically means HGH is semi-allowed. As long as you don't mock the Olympic sport all too often.

 

[Cloxxki]

http://ewn.co.za/2015/04/15/SA-100m-rec ... an-by-IAAF

Should this not be punished much harsher than just testing positive and thus passively offering some sort of info to the anti-doping cause?
It's one this to test positive, another to no co-operate, but to not even allow to see what you're on...

Only http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/23928 ... rst__.html , known for unchecked facts, mentions ban ending late 2017. Other sources state 2016.

 

[neineinei]

Re:

http://ewn.co.za/2015/04/15/SA-100m-rec ... an-by-IAAF

Should this not be punished much harsher than just testing positive and thus passively offering some sort of info to the anti-doping cause?
It's one this to test positive, another to no co-operate, but to not even allow to see what you're on...

Only http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/23928 ... rst__.html , known for unchecked facts, mentions ban ending late 2017. Other sources state 2016.

I agree, refusing should be seen as aggrevating and should lead to harsher reactions.

The "incident" happend in 2014 so I guess he was judged by the old CODE. Refusal = positive = 2 years. I don't know what the new CODE gives as sanction for refusing to submit to testing, but "deliberate doping" gets you 4 years now, If one can refuse testing and get 2 years for refusal instead of the 4 years for a steroid positive there is a huge problem and I wouldn't be surprised to see a rise in refusals if that is the case. I'm assuming they thought that far ahead and the sanction for refusal is 4 years too now.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...for-human-growth-hormone-starting-next-season

NBA players will be blood tested for human growth hormone beginning next season.

The league and the Players Association announced Thursday that HGH testing will start during training camp next fall. All players will be subjected to three random, unannounced tests annually — two during the season and once in the offseason.

A positive test will result in a 20-game suspension for a first violation and a 45-game ban for a second violation. A player would be dismissed and disqualified from the NBA for his third violation.

Owners and players had agreed during collective bargaining negotiations in 2011 to determine a process for how HGH testing could be implemented. The league hasn’t previously done blood testing.

This will be hard to top.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Russian female soccer player suspended.

http://www.rusada.ru/en/press/news/russ ... ineligible

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

WADA signs Cooperation Agreement with Anti-Doping Norway (ADN) and Turkey Anti-Doping Commission (TADC)

http://www.antidoping.no/english/news-i ... orway-adn/

 

[Benotti69]

Bayern Munich's doping, sorry medical doctor quits.............

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32347136