Doping in other sports?

[observer]

As an Australian, I believe that we dope very well for such a small population. I think that's what the media means when we "punch above our weight"

 

[42x16ss]

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Aussie gold medallist fails doping test.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/swimming/kylie-palmer-fails-doping-test-20150617-ghqt92.html

dates back to 2013, only just coming out now. not sure, might be retro testing.

FINA tried to cover it up as it was a 'small amount'. WADA kicked their butts over it.

Hopefully someone can rant at us about the lack of performance enhancing such a small amount would have for the athlete in question!

See the Aussies don't dope thread ....


Wait we don't have that one. Maybe we should ?

Probbaly because all 2 of us Aussie clinicians don't think that at all

Agreed! Australians only get up in arms about people breaking rules because they're worried they won't get away with it.

Make it 4 Aus clinicians with open minds.

Also, loving how no one's mentioning what the substance was. The swimmer who was popped last year was for methylhexaneamine if I remember correctly. Not heavy grade but a stimulant and diuretic.

 

[heart_attack_man]

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when will folks unnerstan that The Clinic TWELVE is an amorophous, anumerical (sic/neologism), group that JV christened from high on his pulpit!

Oh I understand. In much the same way that I think there may be more than 3 Aussies here too.

 

[thrawn]

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Agreed! Australians only get up in arms about people breaking rules because they're worried they won't get away with it.

Make it 4 Aus clinicians with open minds.

Also, loving how no one's mentioning what the substance was. The swimmer who was popped last year was for methylhexaneamine if I remember correctly. Not heavy grade but a stimulant and diuretic.

Australian's complain about cheats due to a certain naivete about doping in general. As we have some fairly significant geographical reasons for actually being a good swimming nation, anyone who beats us are clearly cheats! And you know, we're all brought up to play sport fairly (which given the behaviour of some kids/parents at kids sport is ***).

I read somewhere that Palmer's positive was for a diuretic also.

 

[Random Direction]

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[quote="
Agreed! Australians only get up in arms about people breaking rules because they're worried they won't get away with it.

Make it 4 Aus clinicians with open minds.

Also, loving how no one's mentioning what the substance was. The swimmer who was popped last year was for methylhexaneamine if I remember correctly. Not heavy grade but a stimulant and diuretic.

Australian's complain about cheats due to a certain naivete about doping in general. As we have some fairly significant geographical reasons for actually being a good swimming nation, anyone who beats us are clearly cheats! And you know, we're all brought up to play sport fairly (which given the behaviour of some kids/parents at kids sport is ***).

I read somewhere that Palmer's positive was for a diuretic also.

so, since sharks keep beating up on Aussies, Nibali is obviously a cheat.

and so is anyone who beats us Canucks at hockey, not that they are all doped anyways.

 

[observer]

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[quote="
Agreed! Australians only get up in arms about people breaking rules because they're worried they won't get away with it.

Make it 4 Aus clinicians with open minds.

Also, loving how no one's mentioning what the substance was. The swimmer who was popped last year was for methylhexaneamine if I remember correctly. Not heavy grade but a stimulant and diuretic.

Australian's complain about cheats due to a certain naivete about doping in general. As we have some fairly significant geographical reasons for actually being a good swimming nation, anyone who beats us are clearly cheats! And you know, we're all brought up to play sport fairly (which given the behaviour of some kids/parents at kids sport is ***).

I read somewhere that Palmer's positive was for a diuretic also.

Not only do we own fair play, we own mateship too, because noone else on earth understands the concept of a friend.

 

[neineinei]

The substance in the Kylie Palmer case has now been reported to be furosemide, a diuretic.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/kylie-palmer-originally-cleared-of-doping-violation-by-fina/6558306

 

[neineinei]

What the ...?

“Although Mr Bevan was bound by the Anti-Doping Rules (ADR) of the Rugby Football League at the time of his test in February 2015, the independent National Anti-Doping Panel concluded that because he used the steroids in 2014, he did not intend to breach the 2015 Rules. He did not therefore have to serve a four year ban." http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/rugby-player-ross-bevan-banned-for-two-years/

He tested positive in February 2015, admits to using steroids in 2014 but says he didn't use any in 2015, so he avoids getting the 4 year ban others caught for steroids in 2015 are getting. Well played sir, well played.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What a load of BS.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Full decision is available:

http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6770

Wonder if he shopped his supplier ?

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I read the decision. It reads to me like it was adjudicated like that to avoid a lengthy appeals process.
UKAD pushed for 4 years

 

[neineinei]

He claimed he'd stopped in September 2014, something they don't buy. Obviously the period of detection isn't that wide. So they decide he stopped in December.

 

[coinneach]

Interesting article about the extent of steroid use in Britain (maybe should post in Brits don't dope, but I'm sure it's the same the world over):
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/19/anabolic-steroid-use-leaves-britain-facing-health-timebomb

 

[blackcat]

Re:

The substance in the Kylie Palmer case has now been reported to be furosemide, a diuretic.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/kylie-palmer-originally-cleared-of-doping-violation-by-fina/6558306

so she was flushing out whatever drugs she had in her system.

 

[neineinei]

Re: Re:

The substance in the Kylie Palmer case has now been reported to be furosemide, a diuretic.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/kylie-palmer-originally-cleared-of-doping-violation-by-fina/6558306

so she was flushing out whatever drugs she had in her system.

FINA filed it away under "nothing to see here" because nothing showed up in the extra tests they ordered after the positive and in blood tests taken around the same time as the positive test. Somehow WADA wasn't impressed. She swam the 400 m freestyle July 28, the 200 m freestyle July 30/July 31 and the 200 m freestyle relay finals on August 1. Then she was done with her swimming at the Barcelona championships. So no reason to refuel.

On 31 July 2013, FINA has conducted an in-competition doping control test on Ms Kylie Palmer, member of the Australian National Team with the occasion of the FINA World Championships held in Barcelona (ESP). The sample provided by the athlete showed low levels of a prohibited substance.

As per the FINA DC Rule 7.1.2, this matter was forwarded to the FINA DCRB for their review and recommendations on 3 August 2013.

During its review, the FINA DCRB noted that on 1 August 2013 a random sample was obtained from the same competitor within 24 hours of the index test (31 July 2013). The competitor had earlier undergone blood testing on 25 July 2013, a further blood test was performed on 1 August 2013. All those tests proved negative.

Consequently, the FINA DCRB sought additional information from the laboratory on the index test. The FINA DCRB also recommended FINA to conduct two further target testing on the swimmer. All those additional tests proved negative. http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5235r-52-fina-statement-on-swimmer-kylie-palmer-aus&catid=416:2015&Itemid=246

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

The substance in the Kylie Palmer case has now been reported to be furosemide, a diuretic.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/kylie-palmer-originally-cleared-of-doping-violation-by-fina/6558306

so she was flushing out whatever drugs she had in her system.

FINA filed it away under "nothing to see here" because nothing showed up in the extra tests they ordered after the positive and in blood tests taken around the same time as the positive test. Somehow WADA wasn't impressed. She swam the 400 m freestyle July 28, the 200 m freestyle July 30/July 31 and the 200 m freestyle relay finals on August 1. Then she was done with her swimming at the Barcelona championships. So no reason to refuel.

On 31 July 2013, FINA has conducted an in-competition doping control test on Ms Kylie Palmer, member of the Australian National Team with the occasion of the FINA World Championships held in Barcelona (ESP). The sample provided by the athlete showed low levels of a prohibited substance.

As per the FINA DC Rule 7.1.2, this matter was forwarded to the FINA DCRB for their review and recommendations on 3 August 2013.

During its review, the FINA DCRB noted that on 1 August 2013 a random sample was obtained from the same competitor within 24 hours of the index test (31 July 2013). The competitor had earlier undergone blood testing on 25 July 2013, a further blood test was performed on 1 August 2013. All those tests proved negative.

Consequently, the FINA DCRB sought additional information from the laboratory on the index test. The FINA DCRB also recommended FINA to conduct two further target testing on the swimmer. All those additional tests proved negative. http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5235r-52-fina-statement-on-swimmer-kylie-palmer-aus&catid=416:2015&Itemid=246

sounds like Thorpe's lutenizing hormone positive in 2006 that was swept under the rug

 

[neineinei]

FINA ingored two requests from WADA in 2013 for information about the Furosemide positive from the Barcelona Worlds.

“WADA has acknowledged FINA’s press release of 18 June regarding the provisional suspension of Australian swimmer Kylie Palmer, who received an in-competition doping control test on 31 July 2013.

It is important to clarify some details that were omitted from FINA’s announcement. WADA first requested information from FINA on the case on 5 October 2013, with a reminder sent on 4th December 2013 – both were ignored. More than a year then passed before we were informed on 23 December 2014 that the case had been closed. We asked for an explanation of this decision, and in February 2015 we finally received the reasons for the decision. Following a full review, we decided to file an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport with a request that the case be brought forward as an anti-doping rule violation." http://www.swimvortex.com/has-kylie-palmer-been-caught-in-a-pincer-movement-of-politics-urgency-called-for/

 

[neineinei]

Gaelic footballer Thomas Connolly banned two years for Stanozolol positive from 13 February 2015. He admitted to having used Anavar 10. Anwar 10 is a trade name for Oxandrolone. Oxandrolone is of course also prohibited pr. WADA's list, but it isn't Stanozolol, so the athletes lawyer requests analysis of the content of Connolly's Anwar 10 box, and the tablets is found to contain Stanozolol, not Oxandrolone. Connolly admitted to an Anti-doping rule violation, but claimed he was outside the Irish Sports Council’s jurisdiction, something the panel dismiss. But then they give him a two-year cut in the standard 4-year ban for steroids, because the doping wasn't intentional. He'd gotten the tablets from a co-worker and claimed to not know it was anabolic steroids.

http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Anti-Doping/Resources1/Sanctions/GAA-ANTI-%C2%AD%E2%80%90DOPING-HEARING-COMMITTEE.pdf

 

[gooner]

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Gaelic footballer Thomas Connolly banned two years for Stanozolol positive from 13 February 2015. He admitted to having used Anavar 10. Anwar 10 is a trade name for Oxandrolone. Oxandrolone is of course also prohibited pr. WADA's list, but it isn't Stanozolol, so the athletes lawyer requests analysis of the content of Connolly's Anwar 10 box, and the tablets is found to contain Stanozolol, not Oxandrolone. Connolly admitted to an Anti-doping rule violation, but claimed he was outside the Irish Sports Council’s jurisdiction, something the panel dismiss. But then they give him a two-year cut in the standard 4-year ban for steroids, because the doping wasn't intentional. He'd gotten the tablets from a co-worker and claimed to not know it was anabolic steroids.

http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Anti-Doping/Resources1/Sanctions/GAA-ANTI-%C2%AD%E2%80%90DOPING-HEARING-COMMITTEE.pdf

Kimmage wrote a very good column yesterday about it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/paul-kimmage-connolly-not-the-first-gaa-player-to-use-steroids-and-he-wont-be-the-last-31317362.html

Also interviewed Una May of the Irish Sports Council about it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/paul-kimmage-antidoping-chief-dr-una-may-is-battling-to-keep-sport-credible-31317364.html

You can bring sufficient testing in on matchdays and training sessions but you cannot bring in a stringent whereabouts systems when these guys aren't professionals and have day to day jobs to attend to. Take someone like Jerry O'Connor when he was playing hurling for Cork, how can he can be in whereabouts system when he's in the Gardaí (police). There's plenty of other examples like that across the board.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Earlier this month, UFC (professional mma fighting sanctioning body) announced they were hiring USADA to be their independent anti-doping program (announcement from Travis Tygart here). Yesterday, USADA posted their "whereabouts" policy online. The new program commences on 1 July.

In just the past six months, UFC have stripped titles from belt-holders in two of its weight divisions for PEDs positives, both of whom happened to have been on the short list for Greatest Of All Time. So suffice to say, MMA's PEDs problem looks to be every bit as bad as pro cycling's. If the UFC's efforts yield a higher return on the investment than the UCI's have, I suspect it only will be because the average MMA fighter does not earn nearly enough to afford top-tier PEDs support, nor are they backed by a 'team' (in any real sense) to subsidise their doping.

 

[nayr497]

I'm sure MMA is FULLY of dopers. Seems like a sport that involved rolling around and choking people would encourage drug use of all sorts, both rec and PEDs. Just look at John Jones...

 

[IamIronMan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bolts-name-missing-jamaican-trials-100m-list-120333054--spt.html;_ylt=AwrXnCYtLIxVYRkAx6.bmolQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

I'll just place this here

 

[armchairclimber]

I did a bit of digging whilst in Jamaica. Need to fact check a few things before I report here though.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bolts-name-missing-jamaican-trials-100m-list-120333054--spt.html;_ylt=AwrXnCYtLIxVYRkAx6.bmolQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

I'll just place this here

"The 100 and 200 world record holder has struggled for form this year with modest best times of 10.12 seconds for the 100 in Brazil and 20.13 for the 200 in Ostrava."

Now his PBs are 9.58 and 19.19 ...

I truly believe Bolt is clean... this year, at the (nearing) end of his career, aged 28 (peak performance age for most of other athlets).



Now let´s have another look at Carl Lewis as comparison (as I did previously with the 10-m-splits-post to debunk the myth Bolt is/was a slow starter):

PBs 9.97* and 19.75 ...

Translate that to Bolt´s 2015 performances: Would mean in his worst years he´d have run no better than 10.53 (!!) and 20.72 as deep into a year as end of June. Never happened ofc. His seasons did not have such absurd variances.
His worst 100 meter year was basically after ending his career (which was his last hurrah olympic gold at the Atlanta games in 1996): 1997, aged 36, running a 10.51 (he did nothing serious than a last try to win his 4th consecutive gold in the long jump in 1996; in 1997 he did not jump or run 200 meters, and his lone 100 meter race clocked at 10.51 in Zürich was his waving good-bye show act to those who loved him the most: The fans at Letzigrund)...
200 meters; 20.28 in May 1995, aged 34

* I would dismiss his two 9.93s, the 9.92 & the 9.86 as certainly doped after he got into the arms race when nobody Ben Johnson (which he was until 1985) came out of nowhere to "muscle him out" in the 100 meters...

As Tonton said not long ago: Give Lewis the same stuff Bolt is on (was on until 2014. I would like to add), and Bolt stands no chance against Lewis (not exact this words, but in that kind of meaning).

 

[heart_attack_man]

AFL - Dank banned for life by ASADA.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/stephen-dank-cops-life-ban-from-afl-anti-doping-tribunal/story-fnelctok-1227416246416

 

[fenns]

Bolt won't be at the WCs that's for sure.