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Mar 25, 2013
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Briant_Gumble said:
Thanks for posting.

In the part where Giuseppe D'Onfrio is going through the graph he's charting the Haematocrit values from February to May is that for the team as a whole or one player?

It says by May the Haematocrit on the graph is over 50 if that refers to the team as a whole that suggests a very high level of doping.

I remember reading on here, I can't remember where that Didier Deschamps (who was a member of that Juventus team) was once tested with a Haematocrit of 55.
Deschamps has been well spoken about here. His was 51.2. Just recently he gave evidence behind closed doors to a French Senate hearing into doping.

This section from the book "An Introduction to Drugs in Sport: Addicted to Winning?" might be of more use to you. It also shows D'Onofrio saying Tachinnardi and Conte used EPO to recover from anaemia.

http://books.google.ie/books?id=IfB-Opqg1QUC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=deschamps+51.2+haematocrit&source=bl&ots=M55QJkYlJ7&sig=5AWYWqVYWSAiEK6sUGX0MrxQzJY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ge-bUfq3J8PC7AbW6IGIDA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=deschamps 51.2 haematocrit&f=false
 
Mar 25, 2013
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There is a new video just underneath the D'Onofrio one on the link that I posted earlier where Finidi George and Ronald de Boer speak. Finidi George speaks in English and said it was blatant cheating.

Like I said, my Dutch is non-existant. Could any of our Dutch posters translate what Ronald de Boer says?
 
May 22, 2013
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Did not watch the video but on nu.nl. R.d.boer summary.
Very angry, hard punishment for players who dope, soccer should be doping free and should be easy to achieve.
 
Apr 2, 2013
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gooner said:
There is a new video just underneath the D'Onofrio one on the link that I posted earlier where Finidi George and Ronald de Boer speak. Finidi George speaks in English and said it was blatant cheating.

Like I said, my Dutch is non-existant. Could any of our Dutch posters translate what Ronald de Boer says?
"Yeah the first thing that came to my mind: this needs to punished very hard. Because football has to be dopefree and that can be very easy."
 
Feb 3, 2013
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gooner said:
NOS in Holland have a show next week about Juventus's doping in the 90's and how they doped for the Champions League final against Ajax in 1996.

My Dutch is non-existant but Giuseppe D'Onofrio speaks in English in the first video where he said the blood values at the time were anything but normal and which signalled EPO use.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/05/21/juventus-gebruikte-doping-voor-champions-league-finale-tegen-ajax-in-96/?utm_campaign=rss&utm_source=syndication
This has been public knowledge for at least 15 years, and all of a sudden these journalists have discovered this "shocking news". Yawn

Now they can easily spin it like cycling claiming things like Oh that was ages ago, when they couldn't test for EPO. Nowadays it's much harder to cheat with all the "improved" drug testing blah blah. The current generation doesn't do things like that etc.

So annoying
 
Mar 25, 2013
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This is the club that play down links with Del Moral by saying he wasn't paid by the club while at the same time also saying they weren't sure if he was used by individual players or the club's medical staff in an advisory role.
 
Mar 25, 2013
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Roderick said:
He probably forgot that Messi was given growth hromones for 3,5 years since he was 13
He probably forgets about the manager he had for 4 years. You know, the one who can do no wrong and is the coming of our saviour to the game of football.
 
Oct 21, 2012
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Regarding Messi and HGH, I've tried to talk to a lot of Barcelona/football fans about it and they insist that it was not pre-planned because he started receiving treatment years before it became apparent that he was going to be one of the best players in the world. I don't buy that at all, I think that even when he was 13 they decided by looking at his dribbling skills or whatever that he had loads of potential and needed a bit of physical development to take him to the next level and obliged with HGH treatments.
 
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I think it was just indicated for medical reasons. Once you are 16 and your rising testosteron begins to close the bone growth spurs. So there is a limited time window to acctually diagnose and treat and catch up growth retardation.
 
Oct 21, 2012
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13 would still be a big call to make. I'm 19 now, I stopped growing when I was 18. At 16, I was about 160 cm/5 foot 2 inches and by the time I was 18 I was 183 cm/6 feet. I don't know a whole lot about people who have problems with growth, but surely at 13 there would have been a reasonable chance of him putting on a few kilo's and centimetres in the years to come without assistance.
 
Jun 12, 2010
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Yes but at a lower rate and with a high chance to end up small. I would rather take the opportunity and treat my child instead of waiting and in the end miss the chance for a normal height.
 
Mar 12, 2013
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Alpechraxler said:
Yes but at a lower rate and with a high chance to end up small. I would rather take the opportunity and treat my child instead of waiting and in the end miss the chance for a normal height.
I can understand this position. I would perhaps feel something like that as a parent. Anyway it does not mean that the idea about Barcelona having a clean team, is BS..
 
Mar 25, 2013
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Any of our Dutch posters watch the show tonight about the doping by Juventus against Ajax in the Champions League final in 1996?

Raymond Verheijen, the Dutch coach who was Gary Speed's assistant at Wales, has called on UEFA to give the trophy to Ajax now.
 
Yes I watched a part. Two doping-experts (Italian) confirmed that the blood values of several Juventus players (11 or 12 I think) are consistent with EPO or maybe blood transfusions.

Also the laboratory in Rome seemed to be corrupt, they didn't test for everything (urine in CL-final) and they tested only 30% of every sample in general because of limited resources :eek:

Verheijen is a ***. He is known for his knowledge and his specialism in the fitness of sportsmen, especially football players. Hiddink took him to South-Korea and Russia with his so-called 'periodizing'. In Dutch it's 'periodisering'. Don't know the exact translation. He's very good, but his communicates a little weird. He's always looking for the media. This fits into that as well. Why the hell has he called the UEFA? He's nothing to do with it. Let Ajax call the UEFA, not him :eek:
 
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l.Harm said:
Yes I watched a part. Two doping-experts (Italian) confirmed that the blood values of several Juventus players (11 or 12 I think) are consistent with EPO or maybe blood transfusions.

Also the laboratory in Rome seemed to be corrupt, they didn't test for everything (urine in CL-final) and they tested only 30% of every sample in general because of limited resources :eek:

Verheijen is a ***. He is known for his knowledge and his specialism in the fitness of sportsmen, especially football players. Hiddink took him to South-Korea and Russia with his so-called 'periodizing'. In Dutch it's 'periodisering'. Don't know the exact translation. He's very good, but his communicates a little weird. He's always looking for the media. This fits into that as well. Why the hell has he called the UEFA? He's nothing to do with it. Let Ajax call the UEFA, not him :eek:
Thanks for details.

As for Verheijen, come to think of it he didn't come across well after Speed's death when he was flaunting himself around and speaking up his credentials for the Wales job only 2 minutes after Speed dying. I thought it was very self-serving at the time and he was rightly criticised for it.

He has slagged off clubs like Arsenal and Spurs in the past for their injury records and their prevention of it. He does like the sound of his own voice but he seems to know what he's talking about regarding the sports science aspect of the game anytime I listen to him.
 

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