Doping in Soccer/Football

[gooner]

Whos got time to translate the whole article or summary will do? Thank you.

Regards.
the fonz.

Here:

http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3922...e-if-it-is-for-recovery-schuster?ICID=HP_BN_1

 

[martinvickers]

Bernd Schuster saying he doesn't have a problem with doping as long as it's for recovery.
basically admitting it's business as usual in present day football.
also admitting that he, as a player, got different 'things' administered into his body prior to matches. players would simply let the docs do their work without asking.

http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/liga-schuster-hat-kein-problem-doping-103006779.html

*shakes head*

Just frickin' appalling.

 

[gooner]

*shakes head*

Just frickin' appalling.

Schuster has been known to have a loose tongue. If Malaga are a real club they should give him the boot straightaway, no hesitation.

 

[Alphabet]

Absolutely disgusting

Can we infer from this that Real Madrid almost certainly doped post-Puerto when Schuster was in charge?

 

[coinneach]

I am also amazed that Real Sociadad are allowed into Europe after their ex president admitted doping and the evidence in the Spanish court case.

Having said that, the two goals they scored last night were utterly wonderful. Spectacular doesn't come close. Check them out if you get the chance!

 

[sniper]

I am also amazed that Real Sociadad are allowed into Europe after their ex president admitted doping and the evidence in the Spanish court case.

Having said that, the two goals they scored last night were utterly wonderful. Spectacular doesn't come close. Check them out if you get the chance!

indeed, looking forward to FIFA's investigation into those doping allegations

anyway, good goals indeed. thanks for the tip.

 

[faraday]

Bernd Schuster saying he doesn't have a problem with doping as long as it's for recovery.
basically admitting it's business as usual in present day football.
also admitting that he, as a player, got different 'things' administered into his body prior to matches. players would simply let the docs do their work without asking.

http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/liga-schuster-hat-kein-problem-doping-103006779.html

Interesting stuff.

Wasn't there also an interesting post in this thread about Wenger's comments on Spanish players he has bought? Can't seem to find it in this thread, so it might be worth a re-post in here if anyone spots it in another thread.

 

[timbo25]

i think its more rampage than in cycling, because they only test urine.

 

[bewildered]

Don't they allow plasma spinning or PRP in soccer for recovery from injury but not for performance enhancement? I believe Andre Villas Boas has used this at Spurs and also referred to 'growth factor' being used, I don't know what exactly he means there? I know he learned his trade under Mourinho, so perhaps he and his staff use it too? Deco and another ex-Mourinho/Porto player tested positive in Brazil recently, not sure what the substance was but they blamed it on supplements, so it probably wasn't performance enhancing.

Just to note that Schuster is talking about recovery from injury rather than recovery from general fatigue. AFAIK this is already in place in soccer for certain treatments like PRP.

 

[Cyivel]

Yes it is allowed if it used to treat an injury, no idea what AVB meant with the growth factor comment as it is the first I've heard of it.

 

[bewildered]

Yes it is allowed if it used to treat an injury, no idea what AVB meant with the growth factor comment as it is the first I've heard of it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...w-deal-for-Brazil-striker-Leandro-Damiao.html

source for growth factor quote

 

[Alpechraxler]

i think its more rampage than in cycling, because they only test urine.

Football in general is more of a rampage. Just think of all the refrees in the lower leagues getting attacked by angry players. When i hear such news then for me it is obvious with this kind of emotions that on the top level winning at all cost involves doping.

 

[gooner]

Excellent piece in World

 

[gooner]

Excellent piece in World Soccer this month where they do a special report on doping in the game and the recent news that was released about doping in the West Germany's sides of the 54, 66, and 74 World Cups. They also bring up Puerto, the French Senate report, doping in the Bologna side in the 60's and the positves just in the last few months with Joel Sanchez after a World Cup qualifier playing for Peru against Bolivia and the Tahiti player that got popped in the Confederations Cup this summer.

Brian Glanville(football historian) writes about this as well in his monthly column in the early part of the magazine. Well worth a read and no surprise once again to see World Soccer as the only real publisher in the UK to address this issue in detail.

 

[Alphabet]

A Tahitian tested positive? I must have missed that.

That should just about end any talk of football being clean. If somebody at such a low, amateur level is doping, then I shudder to think about the vast quantities of PEDs used by top professionals.

 

[gooner]

A Tahitian tested positive? I must have missed that.

That should just about end any talk of football being clean. If somebody at such a low, amateur level is doping, then I shudder to think about the vast quantities of PEDs used by top professionals.

I know one of their players very well in Marama Vahirua when he played in France with Nantes, Nice and Lorient. A decent player and it was interesting to see him retire after the Confederations Cup. The name of the positive hasn't been released yet as far I know.

 

[gooner]

Lehmann repeating the same comments that Schuster said about allowing doping for players recovering from injuries. I'm a big fan of Jens but this is a ridiculous mindset.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1536467?&cc=5739

 

[Bobito]

I can think of 4 spanish players that my team (Newcastle) have signed from Spain and 3 have been complete flops, Marcelinho, Luque and Xisco.

You forgot Michael Owen.

 

[crapna]

http://www.spiegel.de/international...oping-in-german-football-league-a-919563.html

Let's pick a gem.

The DFB has been downplaying the subject of doping in football for years. Those in charge repeatedly argue that football is not an endurance sport and so not a fit for blood doping.

 

[sniper]

http://www.spiegel.de/international...oping-in-german-football-league-a-919563.html

Let's pick a gem.

ok, this is hopefully going somewhere.
a real piece of evidence, as if that was needed, that blooddoping is rampant in soccer.
ffs what farce.
let,s see people act surprised here.

 

[sniper]

http://www.spiegel.de/international...oping-in-german-football-league-a-919563.html

Let's pick a gem.

the guy responsible for those interesting data, Tim Meyer, doctor of the national team, is already backpaddeling:

http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1488866

Says there is no evidence, not even indications, for blooddoping (even though his own PhD dissertation from 2009 showed 50+ hematocrit among bundesliga players...)

this story is going nowhere, except perhaps under the carpet.

 

[acfisken]

Interesting from Thomas Hitzlsperger on announcing his retirement today, a man with 50 German caps.

"I'm asking myself whether a phase of disillusion is about to come which would reveal what is going on behind the boom. People shouldn't be naive about topics like doping or betting fraud"

 

[sniper]

Interesting from Thomas Hitzlsperger on announcing his retirement today, a man with 50 German caps.

"I'm asking myself whether a phase of disillusion is about to come which would reveal what is going on behind the boom. People shouldn't be naive about topics like doping or betting fraud"

do you by any chance have access to the full interview? what I found online was just a summary.

that is an interesting statement indeed.
actually one of the most sensible statements i've heard from any (non-cyclist) professional athlete in a very long time.

I wonder (and doubt) if there'll be a journalist with the balls to pick up the story and pursue it, and of course hitzlsperger will also think twice before actually spilling real beans.

EDIT: forget it, he wasn't saying much about doping after all.

"Ich habe in der Kabine nie etwas erlebt, bei dem ich gedacht hätte: Könnte das jetzt Doping sein? Aber klar ist, dass es eine Grauzone gibt, beim Einsatz von Schmerzmitteln etwa. Aber so etwas Flächendeckendes, wie man das aus dem Radsport hört, habe ich persönlich nie mitbekommen, das kenne ich nicht."

same old...

 

[acfisken]

I read a quote in English, don't speak German. What did he say?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I read a quote in English, don't speak German. What did he say?

"I've never had an experience in the dressing room where I would have thought, could this be doping? However, it is clear that there is a grey area (in the sport) when it comes to painkillers. But something as widespread as we hear about in cycling? That's something I've never noticed, I don't see that."