Doping in Soccer/Football

[Benotti69]

If Real win the champions league this year won't it be their first time in 10 years?

Isn't it also about 10 years since they stopped working with Fuentes?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/mar/22/blood-doping-trial-fuentes-real-madrid

Wonder did Ancelotti bring in an Italian doctor from his Milan days......

 

[sniper]

interesting to see bayern munich collapse towards the end of the season.
wonder what went wrong there.

 

[kingjr]

In terms of km's run Bayern is Nr. 9 in the Bundesliga this year. Last year they were even further down.

 

[Alphabet]

I know judging by jawlines is hardly a scientific method of 'catching' dopers, but Ballack's got one to rival Eddy Merckx here.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I know judging by jawlines is hardly a scientific method of 'catching' dopers, but Ballack's got one to rival Eddy Merckx here.

Uwotm8?

Eddy Merckx was 39 at the time of the "Growth hormone games" in 1984 ..... and since when has a super defined jawline been a strong indicator of it?

 

[gooner]

Just got a copy of Pirlo's new book that has recently been released in English.

He has a fair bit to say with doping in both football and cycling.

A few points:

- He finds it laughable that Barca and doping are linked together. They leave the ball do the work and their play isn't based on a lot of running.

-doping isn't a problem in Italian football. Consistent testing done by UEFA and CONI.

-doesn't like cyclists giving interviews calling footballers "prima donnas".

-doesn't like people talking about legalising doping in cycling when it would be much better to shorten stages.

- was really annoyed with Lance, not just for the doping but the lawsuits that came in his attempts to quieten those who dared to question

-His last paragraph on this from the book:

I just hope they teach the younger cyclists that's it wrong to cheat. Perhaps they need to take a piece of paper and write the names of everyone who has. Or maybe, it would be better to make a list of those who've gone too soon, having died in suspicious circumstances. That sort of shock treatment is required. On cigarette packets. you'll see "smoking seriously endangers health" in big block capitals, and from that point on, it's completely the smoker's responsibility if they happen to get ill. Perhaps on bike frames we should now be writing: "Don't put any **** in your bottle".

 

[BradCantona]

He also aired his suspicions about Deportivo La Coruna who briefly lit up the business end of European competition, and recorded a famous comeback victory against Milan... this season they're in the Spanish second division

I think his comments on Barca can be taken with a pinch of salt, throughout the book it becomes clear he's besotted with the club he's never played for and always has been!

Italy doesn't have the money in it that it used to, their clubs haven't competed for top honours in Europe regularly for the best part of half a decade... who knows whether his comments on Italian doping are accurate. Italy has had doping issues in the past though, he doesn't talk about any of that, so maybe it's naive or wishful thinking

 

[bewildered]

Barca's pressing game was based on a lot of running, closing down the ball for 7 seconds as soon as they lost it.

Wenger used to allude to this. However, he felt that they got tired near the end of the game due to the amount of pressing they had done earlier in the game.

Personally I always thought Barca's levels were a lot higher at home. Their away record in Europe under Guardiola wasn't all that impressive for 'the greatest team in history'. 2011 was their best year. Only Arsenal beat them away from home that year but in the earlier years there was a noticeable difference between home and away performances.

 

[The Hitch]

What the **** does pirlo know about cycling?

 

[The Hitch]

Seriously, if Pirlo wants to talk about doping maybe he should voice an opinion about Guardiola doping.

Oh no, he prefers to talk about Di Luca and Armstrong. How brave At least he didn't attack Ben Johnson

 

[Archibald]

What the **** does pirlo know about cycling?

was thinking the same thing or that maybe I'd missed something.
Was he a failed cyclist at some point in his teen years before football?

 

[RocketScientist]

So he forgot to mention Srdjan Djordjevic? Srdjan has worked with Italian national football team.

There is one topic about Srdjan on this forum
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19367
and many more rumors of course.

 

[gooner]

Diego Costa is going to the doctor in Serbia for the horse placenta treatment to help with his injury.

http://as.com/diarioas/2014/05/20/english/1400614521_057694.html

 

[The Hitch]

 

[gooner]

lol.

He trained today so lets see has it helped for Saturday.

He was touch and go for the Barca game and the hamstring flared back up. I'm not so sure they will take the risk.

 

[gooner]

Deco has been cleared of doping by CAS. The lab in Rio that gave the positive was suspended last year by WADA.

Our old buddy Saugy:

The 36-year-old playmaker allegedly tested positive for two banned substances in early 2013 after playing in a Rio state championship match for Fluminense.

The lab said his samples contained hydrochlorothiazide, a diuretic which can mask the presence of other drugs, and tamoxifen, which can help cope with the side effects of using steroids.

Lausanne lab director Martial Saugy recommended that WADA "investigates directly with the Rio lab on the reliability of the results," the CAS ruling said.

Saugy noted that Deco's samples arrived in Switzerland in an "unusual container" and that the "chain of custody cannot be guaranteed."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-ban-scrapped-due-to-rio-labs-errors/9617913/

It seems a messy case.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.4dfoot.com/2013/02/09/doping-in-football-fifty-years-of-evidence/

Doping is just as much a problem in football as it is in tennis, athletics, swimming and cycling. It’s part of daily life. I’ve worked with footballers. They use Testosterone, EPO, Ephedrine and Stimulants.
~ Stefan Matschiner

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[gooner]

http://www.4dfoot.com/2013/02/09/doping-in-football-fifty-years-of-evidence/



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I read that article a good while back. Good summary about the history of the topic.

 

[gooner]

Good article questioning the doping procedures at the World Cup and the level of testing in football.

There are some famous Italian and Spanish clubs who might disagree, but Fifa reckon they have the numbers to prove it: of the 230,000 samples analysed on football players from 2005 to 2013, only 752 came back positive, and of those just 93 were for steroids or hormones, while the other 659 were for cocaine, marijuana and other so-called recreational drugs.

Those numbers might sound reassuring compared to what athletics and cycling must throw up every year, although on closer inspection, they are not.

According to Wada figures, 27,836 athletes were tested worldwide in 2012, compared to 28,008 in football – when the pool of footballers is naturally far greater.

And while 1.8 per cent of athletics tests came back positive, football wasn’t that far behind, with 1.3 per cent. (Cycling positives, by the way, came in at 3.7 per cent.)

The fact that most footballers are still tested at stadiums and training sites – unlike athletes, who are more typically tested after a surprise knock on the door – is hardly reassuring, either.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/oth...il-leave-a-lot-to-be-desired-1.1823913?page=1

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

What the **** does pirlo know about cycling?

Obviously not enough because he wouldn't buy that bull**** about shortening stages than. Maybe that's why he avoided Ben Johnson.

 

[gooner]

A very good article from the Froome thread just posted about cortisone use.

It’s widely used and abused in football, where players can be regularly receive local injections with large doses of cortisone and be declared fit to play because these types of injections are not forbidden and don’t even require a ‘Therapeutic Use Exemption’ certificate. Curiously, the TUE certificate was first introduced by Wada and adopted by the UCI when it signed up to the Code in 2004.

One physio at a Premier league football club, explained the problem. “The physio working with the first team is in a tricky position. He’ll have the injured player keen to play again and not that interested in a slower recovery on one side and, on the other, the manager badgering him asking him how soon the player will be fit to play again. Some club physios are under a lot of pressure to sanction cortisone injections.”

In the same circumstances – being injected with a dose of ‘therapeutic’ cortisone – a cyclist has to take eight days out of competition, not be free to jog down the tunnel and play. It’s a situation that many football observers find disturbing, even some at the highest levels.

Michel D’Hooghe, chairman of FIFA’s medical committee and President of the FIFA Medical Assessment and Research Centre reported in March 2013 that “anti-inflammatories were a bigger problem than doping.” Which admits that there is a problem in football while doing a neat step-over in body-swerving the fact that some types of ‘anti-inflammatory’ also have performance enhancing effects and are themselves ‘doping’.

You doubt the problem that the abuse of cortisone and other anti-inflammatory is widespread in football? “At the 2010 World Cup, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory were used by 34.6 per cent of players, up from 29 per cent at the 2006 tournament in Germany. There was one team where 21 of 23 players were using them,” added D’Hooghe.

Both Wada and Fifa insist that the science that determines whether or not cortisone has performance-enhancing effects is unclear. Decades of abuse in cycling, as well as some peer reviewed sports medicine papers, suggest otherwise. Here’s a quote from just one top rider who used cortisone: “Before anything else though, I decided to try a stronger form of cortisone. It appeared to have a more desirable effect on me. Kenacort, as it was called, became my cortisone of choice. I lost a lot of weight and got better power in my legs…”. (Bjarne Riis, Stages of light and dark, page 81). Anecdotally of course – as well as in affidavits from riders – cortisone is widely abused for its performance-enhancing properties.

http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/alejandro-marque-cortisone-confusion-tour-of-portugal-2013/

 

[Andynonomous]

Widespread doping in football alleged (Feb 2013).

Not sure if this is serious. Some of it sounds like it is "tongue in cheek".

 

[Chipist]

Did anyone record the England game tonight.

When I saw the players at the start of the game, Luis Suarez looked quite yellow in the face.

He has been injured and in a rush to be ready for this game........

Looked dodgy to me.

 

[SpannerBender]

Dutch team test positive -FIFA dont give a f**K

http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-continue-world-cup-despite-doping-scandal/

Glad to see this is being taken seriously

 

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