Doping in Soccer/Football

[Andynonomous]

Wada has gone downhill since Pound left.

"Relations with WADA have deteriorated significantly and the lack of help and support from WADA against a background of constant media criticism of its sports 'partners' and the consequent breakdown of trust need to be addressed as a priority," the Italian, who is President of the International Tennis Federation, wrote in a letter to Rogge.
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Fahey replaced former IOC vice-president Richard Pound, who was also critical of the UCI during his time in charge.

This quote by Bitti, was clearly a threat to get a wishy washy WADA director installed, or else. This grenade lobbed at WADA by Bitti, was a few months before the next election for the new head of WADA.

Fahey replaced Pound, now Howman has replaced Fahey. I suspect he was chosen, because he would be the lapdog that he is. Corruption in sport is getting worse, not better.

 

[sniper]

Kimmage writes about World Cup and doping

http://www.independent.ie/sport/inh...ctive-masking-agent-of-them-all-30409273.html

great stuff from kimmage.
a bloody shame there aren't more reporters/journos of his kind.

lovely richard sadlier quote

"The money is there; the expertise is there and for you to put forward an argument to say professional football is clean, you would have to say, 'Well, there's something inherently decent about the people in professional football that is absent from other sports.' And no one in the world thinks that there's inherent decency in professional football." - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/inh...f-them-all-30409273.html#sthash.K35c8iGx.dpuf

 

[buckle]

I am not a soccer fan, but I watch the WC for the spectacle. But even I can tell there is a massive difference in level between Robben and just about anyone else. He. does. not. get. tired. period. They should put him on a bike, if he could climb, he'd be keeping up with Froome lol!

If you think Robben is bad, his former teammate at Real Madrid, Cannavaro, was unbelievable in 2006. I mean this guy was 5' 9" and could jump like a gazelle. He was such a good responder, he could sprint at the end of 2 hours of soccer as he did at the end of the semi-final against Germany. He proves the point that drugs in soccer work as Italy scored a spectacular goal as a result of his intervention.

Finding athletes between 5' 5" and 5' 11" is key to spectacular returns in soccer for a doping program. Barcelona meet that criteria in nearly every position for example.

 

[sniper]

laugh or cry?
FIFA praising its own antidoping policy.

Fifa, Doping: Der Weltverband hat sein Anti-Doping-Programm in den höchsten Tönen gelobt - und natürlich gab es auch während der laufenden Endrunde keinen einzigen Dopingfall. Chefmediziner Jiri Dvorak und Michel D'Hooghe, der Vorsitzende der medizinischen Kommission der Fifa, platzten bei der Präsentation der Zahlen am Montag fast vor Stolz: Sämtliche 777 Trainingskontrollen, die seit März im Vorfeld der WM entnommen wurden, sowie die 232 Wettkampfkontrollen während der Endrunde seien negativ ausgefallen. Sollte in den Halbfinals und Finals kein positiver Test mehr auftauchen, wäre es die fünfte WM in Serie ohne eine Dopingfall. Für den letzten hatte Diego Maradona 1994 in den USA gesorgt.

doping specialist Soergel putting it in the right context

Erst auf Nachfrage offenbarten die Bosse die erste große Schwachstelle des Systems: Es gab während der WM-Endrunde in Brasilien keine einzige unangekündigte Kontrolle abseits der Spiele. "Dabei ist das natürlich das Entscheidende", sagte Dopingexperte Fritz Sörgel: "Natürlich funktioniert Doping auch zwischen den Spieltagen. EPO in Niedrigdosierung oder geschickt gemischt, ist nur ein paar Stunden nachweisbar und damit ein gewaltiges, ungelöstes Problem." Das Gesamtprogramm der Fifa kann der Nürnberger Pharmakologe nicht ernst nehmen. "Es gibt kein unabhängiges Beobachterprogramm, das ist das Entscheidende. Wenn sie alles in Eigenregie machen und keine externe Kontrolle zulassen, ist das alles hinfällig", sagte Sörgel am Montag: "Dass ausgerechnet in diesem Verband in diesem sensiblen Bereich alles mit rechten Dingen zugeht, kann mir niemand erzählen."

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/lo...mmer-den-schwierigsten-weg-gewaehlt-1.2036093

 

[thrawn]

laugh or cry?
FIFA praising its own antidoping policy.

doping specialist Soergel putting it in the right context

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/lo...mmer-den-schwierigsten-weg-gewaehlt-1.2036093

Care to provide a rough translation?

 

[Akuryo]

laugh or cry?
FIFA praising its own antidoping policy.

doping specialist Soergel putting it in the right context

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/lo...mmer-den-schwierigsten-weg-gewaehlt-1.2036093

As usual. I don't belive that other sports dope less than cycling, but only cyclists are really tested.

 

[HIF I A]

Care to provide a rough translation?

777 test taken before the world cup, 232 during the world cup so far and all negative, so the FIFA praises their anti-doping-program.

Sörgel says there were no unannounced test between the games, which allows teams to use EPO in low doses. Furthermore, the FIFA doesn't have an external control program and thus, their program is useless. And he doubts that behind the scenes, everything is done according to rules (which i interpret as reference to the known corruption).

 

[gooner]

great stuff from kimmage.
a bloody shame there aren't more reporters/journos of his kind.

lovely richard sadlier quote

Sadlier is a very good football pundit. He speaks a lot of sense.

He has spoken about his experiences at Millwall before where he said he was giving substances and wasn't told what they were. He said he felt stronger and fitter on the pitch and was later told by someone that what he was taking was actually banned.

 

[buckle]

0-5 at half-time

That's what you get for embracing crappy Evangelical Christianity. They need to stick with the Catholic Church and get back on a good doping program.

 

[keeponrollin]

Brazils experiment with Quaaludes as a PED isn't going well.

 

[SeriousSam]

Germany vs brazil is like Armstrong injecting a **** load of epo, taking his charged up minions and showing up at an amateur race.

 

[buckle]

David Luiz

He must be following the tour and wanted to make it back for the Champs Elysees but at this rate he's a cert for La Planche des Belles Filles.

 

[slowspoke]

If you think Robben is bad, his former teammate at Real Madrid, Cannavaro, was unbelievable in 2006. I mean this guy was 5' 9" and could jump like a gazelle. He was such a good responder, he could sprint at the end of 2 hours of soccer as he did at the end of the semi-final against Germany. He proves the point that drugs in soccer work as Italy scored a spectacular goal as a result of his intervention.

Finding athletes between 5' 5" and 5' 11" is key to spectacular returns in soccer for a doping program. Barcelona meet that criteria in nearly very position for example.

THIS Cannavaro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTqk2Bt9H_M

 

[buckle]

THIS Cannavaro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTqk2Bt9H_M

Yes, that's the guy. The best defender I have ever seen ...

 

[Andynonomous]

Although Germany won in a laugher today, the possession, and shots on goal were about even.

Brazil really has a terrible defense. I suspect if Brazil weren't missing 2 key players, the match would have been much closer.

I predict that Germany will come down to earth in the final, and the score will be close, regardless of who they play.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

http://www.4dfoot.com/2013/02/09/doping-in-football-fifty-years-of-evidence/ Kimmage has bit between the teeth when it comes to cycling But football.. Meh kinda raising

 

[Almeisan]

Just goes to show football is all about skill, positioning, football intelligence, organization and teamwork.

Just goes to show that a match is one team vs the other and judging fitness based on how a team performs is silly.

Doping in football, sure. But saying the winning team is more fit is bull****. The team that appears more fit is less tired because they use less energy.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Just goes to show football is all about skill, positioning, football intelligence, organization and teamwork.

Just goes to show that a match is one team vs the other and judging fitness based on how a team performs is silly.

Doping in football, sure. But saying the winning team is more fit is bull****. The team that appears more fit is less tired because they use less energy.

Yah,also massively about what programme ur on. The bayern 'medical trainer' has been at that 30 years. Ever played 5-a-side? Whoever's the fittest has biggest impact.

 

[The Hitch]

Just goes to show football is all about skill, positioning, football intelligence, organization and teamwork.

Just goes to show that a match is one team vs the other and judging fitness based on how a team performs is silly.

Doping in football, sure. But saying the winning team is more fit is bull****. The team that appears more fit is less tired because they use less energy.

Chelsea played something like 70 games this season, Bayern similar, Real Madrid probably even more.

Fitness isn't just about how much you run in a single game, but how well you recovered from all the games before.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Robbed killing all cause he so in the programme This profession so much 600x more than cyclisme

 

[masking_agent]

I just have to ask, does anyone know of any questionable doctor affiliations with either the German or Netherlands soccer players ? As we all know certain Spanish doctors were treating Spanish footballers.

thx

 

[luckyboy]

I thought of Richie's comments quite a lot last week when live pictures of a doctor I hadn't seen since my last year as a pro cyclist in 1989, were zoomed into my living room from the World Cup in Brazil.

Wonder who this is

 

[ppanther1]

I just have to ask, does anyone know of any questionable doctor affiliations with either the German or Netherlands soccer players ? As we all know certain Spanish doctors were treating Spanish footballers.

thx

Müller Wohlfhart

Don't know about Netherlands though.

 

[Almeisan]

Chelsea played something like 70 games this season, Bayern similar, Real Madrid probably even more.

Fitness isn't just about how much you run in a single game, but how well you recovered from all the games before.

So? You can see in a single game how tired a player should be from a 60 game season?

When Froome or Contador climb with too many VAM or Watts/kg, we know something.

When we see one team beat another, it says **** about their RBC or T/E levels.

Robben was injured for most of his career. Does that mean he didn't dope for all his career but started since 2 years ago?
What about R9. They say he tore both his ACLs because they put him on too much steroids at PSV so his muscles would get so strong so fast, the ligament tissue couldn't keep up.
So do steroids increase or decrease risk of injury? You tell me.

 

[Andynonomous]

I have a suspicion that today's Netherlands/Argentina match will be filled with embellishments.