Doping in Soccer/Football

[Clemson Cycling]

William "Refrigerator" Perry

Clemson Grad haha. Some performance enhancing drugs make some sports better and in some cases make your body healthier.

People in baseball often hate Jose Canseco for spilling the beans. He's a self-serving ***, that's for sure, but pretty much everything he said came true, in an uncanny way. Don't like Jose? The late Ken Camenetti was a much nicer guy, despite a drug problem, and said at least 50% of players in MLB were on steroids. He probably underestimated.

You don't ever rat out a fellow athlete in your sport no matter the situation (al la Low Life Lemond). You can address the situation as a whole just don't name names.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Clemson Grad haha. Some performance enhancing drugs make some sports better and in some cases make your body healthier.

You don't ever rat out a fellow athlete in your sport no matter the situation (al la Low Life Lemond). You can address the situation as a whole just don't name names.

Bull effing $hit. Those are the Mafia's rules.

 

[journalguy]

Bull effing $hit. Those are the Mafia's rules.

I couldn't agree more. There's no hope of defeating doping unless the code of silence among the athletes is broken.

 

[luckyboy]

You don't ever rat out a fellow athlete in your sport no matter the situation (al la Low Life Lemond). You can address the situation as a whole just don't name names.

Are you saying that? Or are you giving an example from an omerta rider's POV?

I hope it's the second

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Are you saying that? Or are you giving an example from an omerta rider's POV?

I hope it's the second

You don't ever rat out an athlete in the sport you compete in. How would you feel if Frank Lampard started calling out Andrei Arshavin and Tomáš Rosický for doping up. Or Robin van Persie starting calling out Didier Drogba and Michael Essien for taking steroids. Out of respect it is not something you do (in public anyway). Or how about Alan Shearer calling out Steve Gerrard and Wayne Rooney with proof they are doping right before the World Cup starts next year?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, if it can prevent what happened to VDB, Marco, Jiminez, Fois, Dajka, Gelfi, Claveyrolat, Vincente Lopez-Carril, Marc de Meyer, Bert Oosterbosch, Joachim Halopczok, Paul Haghedooren and Connie Meije, I'm all for it.

 

[workingclasshero]

You don't ever rat out an athlete in the sport you compete in. How would you feel if Frank Lampard started calling out Andrei Arshavin and Tomáš Rosický for doping up. Or Robin van Persie starting calling out Didier Drogba and Michael Essien for taking steroids. Out of respect it is not something you do (in public anyway). Or how about Alan Shearer calling out Steve Gerrard and Wayne Rooney with proof they are doping right before the World Cup starts next year?

what you don't do out of respect is cheat your opponents and teammates

if stevie me and rooney are doping, then i think people would have a problem with them for putting themselves in a position where they could miss the world cup, not with shearer for grassing on them when he has proof

ffs

 

[Race Radio]

Barca is using HGH

http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/

Perhaps the most interesting part is how they appear to not think the rules apply to them

 

[Benotti69]

Barca is using HGH

http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/

Perhaps the most interesting part is how they appear to not think the rules apply to them

you can be sure all the top teams are using HGH not just Barca.

The recovery of players from injury is so quick that it cannot be through legal methods.

 

[Benotti69]

You don't ever rat out a fellow athlete

I disagree. You are completely out of touch with sport and the rules by which it means to compete.

You seem to have an attitude very similar to a crime gang, but even they rat out each other.

Greg LeMond never ratted anyone out.

David Millar did, but we don't see you posting anything derogatory about him! is that because he doesn't bad mouth Armstrong?

 

[sniper]

Barca is using HGH

http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/

Perhaps the most interesting part is how they appear to not think the rules apply to them

lovely, and wicked at the same time. The author of the article/blog is really spot on with everything he says.

I remember Xavi in some recent interview (I believe after Mourinho had openly accused barca of doping) "No nos dopamos. Los que lo dicen no saben nada. No tienen ni pruebas ni nada".
I really think they don't have a clue.

By the way, yes, meanwhile, most clubs are probably on HGH.
Teams like Barca probably benefit the most, teams that already have a surplus of skilled players and only need to improve in terms of physical strength and fitness.
Players like Xavi, Messi, Iniesta.
With the right mixture you turn them into football gods.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I particularly like how the journalist doesn't even bat an eyelid when he states it, and then he answers "yes" under his breath before the host has even finished asking if that's actually allowed.

 

[irishpeloton]

I particularly like how the journalist doesn't even bat an eyelid when he states it, and then he answers "yes" under his breath before the host has even finished asking if that's actually allowed.

To be fair, I think that was Ken Early the co-host who muttered that under his breath.

The fact that a reputedly respectable reporter can sit on this and not give a ****e is just frankly unbelievable. And people think cycling has problems? I've tried explaining to my football fan friends the differences between the sports, here's what I usually trot out....

Cycling is only in the current state it's in now due to the result of police busts and investigations (Festina etc.) which forced the UCI into tackling the problem. If the police hadn't done the dirty work, the UCI would have happily trundled along complicit in its willful ignorance. But drugs were found and the sport had to face this problem. This is why now we have a case like Contador getting caught for such infinitesimal amounts of clenbuterol, because the doping controls have become so strict as a result.

Football has never had one of these watershed moments where it has been forced (by the result of a police investigation or otherwise) to face up to its doping problems. A scenario came close with the Juventus stuff a few years back, but ultimately fizzled out as the statute of limitations came to the rescue. But generally, football is, as cycling was, happy to leave the problem unacknowledged so nobody has to deal with the aftermath.

Football most likely will never see a 'Festina' scenario realised. Footballers all live and train close to a stadium. Cyclists live everywhere. Football matches take place in a stadium, cycling races take place everywhere.

The chances of a Willy Voet getting caught transporting drugs in a sport like football are very very low because the environment the sport takes place in is so protected and controlled. Cycling is different. So cycling paid the price...

 

[The Hitch]

On the + side, i can't wait for the French "Guignols" show to get their hands on xavi

 

[nevada]

Just wanted to hear some people's opinions on this. I mean, we have all heard of two big Spanish teams being linked to OP, and team/s in Italy with their masses of legal drugs. But how widespread do people think it is in football/soccer? Try as I might, I can't imagine Fulham or Wigan players injecting themselves with whatever before a match.

(I don't think there is a thread on this, but I apologise if there has been - the only other sports I have seen talked about in any depth are US football and baseball.)

Even at the level there are players on 50k per week and a shot of hgh is nothing, the cost of relegation is massive.

 

[ultimobici]

You don't ever rat out a fellow athlete in your sport no matter the situation (al la Low Life Lemond). You can address the situation as a whole just don't name names.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

raphael honigstein @honigstein
@BumperGraham your off the ball interview causing a stir in Germany, re Xavi's medical treatment. can you clarify what he said? @kenearlys

 

[straydog]

Barca is using HGH

http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/

Perhaps the most interesting part is how they appear to not think the rules apply to them

I'd say this applies to almost all top clubs in Europe to be honest....I usually shy away from casting aspersions about people's physical transformations...but just take a quick google for Cristiano Ronaldo shirtless to see the wonderful benefits that HGH could bring you....

so natural....just protein shakes and banana smoothies

 

[sniper]

raphael honigstein @honigstein
@BumperGraham your off the ball interview causing a stir in Germany, re Xavi's medical treatment. can you clarify what he said? @kenearlys

indeed it seems to be arriving in Germany.
I didn't find any press on it though.
Just this blogger:
http://jonathansachse.de/2012/graham-hunter-xavi-bekommt-wachstumshormone/

This could become fun, though, if the press picks it up.

I fear, though, that if the story hits the news, Barca will just deny the story, and everybody will go on like business as usual.

 

[The Hitch]

indeed it seems to be arriving in Germany.
I didn't find any press on it though.
Just this blogger:
http://jonathansachse.de/2012/graham-hunter-xavi-bekommt-wachstumshormone/

A story about footballers doping will never hit the press.

 

[straydog]

A story about footballers doping will never hit the press.

actually I wouldn't be so sure....but my suspicion is that Fifa, under Blatter, will never implement anything that even remotely represents stringent testing procedures, and so frankly the public will be left with the impression that "rules" are being bent, not broken.

Generally, I think it's ridiculous, that because cycling has such a comparatively robust testing protocol, and therefore catches more violators, it is considered such a "dirty" sport.

Tennis, Football, Rugby, Baseball, American Football....all you have to do is take a look at the physiques of the athletes since they started visiting all those swiss "knee" and "elbow" specialists in the 90's to see just how far they have come in catching up with the latest "preparation" techniques.

 

[Benotti69]

actually I wouldn't be so sure....but my suspicion is that Fifa, under Blatter, will never implement anything that even remotely represents stringent testing procedures, and so frankly the public will be left with the impression that "rules" are being bent, not broken.

Generally, I think it's ridiculous, that because cycling has such a comparatively robust testing protocol, and therefore catches more violators, it is considered such a "dirty" sport.

Tennis, Football, Rugby, Baseball, American Football....all you have to do is take a look at the physiques of the athletes since they started visiting all those swiss "knee" and "elbow" specialists in the 90's to see just how far they have come in catching up with the latest "preparation" techniques.

"robust testing protocol", if you compare it to the rest of the sporting world where big business sports have practically none.

But it is most definitely not robust in cycling, testing has not happened at some recent events, it is that robust!

 

[straydog]

"robust testing protocol", if you compare it to the rest of the sporting world where big business sports have practically none.

But it is most definitely not robust in cycling, testing has not happened at some recent events, it is that robust!

...hence my use of the adjective "comparatively"....as in comparison to football, rugby, tennis etc etc...but you knew that right?

Hey, cycling's protocol is far from perfect, and likely never will be, but the media's obsession with "dirty" cyclists compared to some of the egregious examples of cheating in other sports, smacks of a fanboy like myopia.

Cycling isn't cool...or much of a money spinner in comparison...less "stars" for journos to get their panties in a tizz over and chum up to.

 

[Benotti69]

...hence my use of the adjective "comparatively"....as in comparison to football, rugby, tennis etc etc...but you knew that right?

Hey, cycling's protocol is far from perfect, and likely never will be, but the media's obsession with "dirty" cyclists compared to some of the egregious examples of cheating in other sports, smacks of a fanboy like myopia.

Cycling isn't cool...or much of a money spinner in comparison...less "stars" for journos to get their panties in a tizz over and chum up to.

It aint robust in my opinion.

Pity the UCI have not seized the chance to make it clean and therefore cool. But myopia is obviously where its at.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

A story about footballers doping will never hit the press.

They might root out a guy playing for a Bayern Mönchengladbach or a Fulham or something once every decade or so, but Barcelona? No way.

Even on this forum, Amsterhammer threw a hissy fit when I commented on the dream team not being so squeaky clean perfect.

I hope it blows up and they all get thrown under the bus. Guardiola is a career cheat and a stain. But if they whack him, they should whack the lot of them, and that's even less likely to happen than it is in cycling.