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Doping in XC skiing

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MrRoboto said:
Apparently Anders Aukland is mentioned by name and questioned in 'Blodracet 2'. They claim he was on FIS' internal list of suspicious riders around the 2002 Olympics with 18 other racers (12 men and 7 women). Aukland is a classical specialist and did very well that season, and was one of the biggest favorites to take the 15 km and 50km in Salt Lake City, but did relatively poorly in both. Veerpalu crushed everyone in the 15 km, and Mühlegg took the 50 km.

'Uppdrag Granskning' also found blood values of 4 male swedish racers which they think are suspicious. Those racers are not named though.

Yeah, I saw that too. I am interested to see how far they will take this, and whether, if indeed those 19 skiers are all named (there may be more) and if doping was indeed going on, what WADA, FIS and the IOC will do. I am hoping they get the axe, although I am not sure how far the statue of limitations goes...
 
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BullsFan22 said:
Yeah, I saw that too. I am interested to see how far they will take this, and whether, if indeed those 19 skiers are all named (there may be more) and if doping was indeed going on, what WADA, FIS and the IOC will do. I am hoping they get the axe, although I am not sure how far the statue of limitations goes...

This is a list of skiers FIS were suspiscios about from around 2002. 2002 is well beyond SOL.

The list sounds a bit like UCI's leaked list from TdF 2010, something presumably used to target testing. There were no WADA framework for a bio passport until 2009., so any data from 2002 and thereabouts couldn't be used for anything more than to target the testing. If the suspects didn't test positive nothing happened then, and certainly nothing will happen now.

Dagbladet writes that the list contains the names of 12 male skiers and 7 female, and that Anders Aukland is the only Norwegian on the list.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2014/03/04/sport/langrenn/anders_aukland/uppdrag_granskning/32138976/

According to interviews and acticles in the press today there will not be much naming in the program.

The skiers that we name are those that stand out in some way, for example because they have been caught previously for doping.

http://www.expressen.se/sport/vintersport/svensk-skidakare-dopinganklagas-i-tv/

Anders Aukland is critiral of the way Norges Skiforbund is handling Uppdrag granskning.

- I am puzzled. I do not know anything about blood tests. The Ski Federation has a high level of knowledge about it. I just followed their system and think it's bad that they don't give good answers, says Aukland.

He believes that Skiforbundets strong reaction to last year's doping documentary, "Bloodracet" was a bad solution.

Now he thinks they are making mistakes again when, according to Aukland, they choose to not acknowledge the program he are being named in.

He says that he has been in contact with the President and the Communications Manger of Skiforbundet to ask for support - but without any response.

- I talked to Erik Røste and Espen Graff. Their strategy was to not participate in the program. I choce to respond (when SVT asked me questions) at Marcialonga. If you don't have anything to hide the best thing to do is to answer. Skiforbundet referred to FIS and does not acknowledge the program, said Aukland.

http://www.vg.no/sport/artikkel.php?artid=10137671
 
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Aukland won that world cup race in Kuopio Finland, november 2011. Norwegians took places 1 - 8 ahead of Elofsson and Muhlegg. According to my bad memory, blood values from that race where mentioned somewehere in this topic or Blodracet.
 
the sceptic said:
im sure its just an amazing coincidence that most norwegians had hb levels around the max limit in those days

2 Norwegians have been mentioned in relation to the latest tv show. One (Hofstad) tested over the limit once and was denied a start, then later got a certificate for having naturally high values after a period of testing (both of his parents were tested as well, since his father was a blood donor and knew he had high values as well).

Aukland was never above the start limit. I guess now we'll see some experts saying that his values were suspicious and some that say they're not. He has given VG permission to publish his values as tested by FIS here: http://www.vg.no/sport/ski/langrenn/artikkel.php?artid=10137684 . According to Aukland tests done by others also showed the same variation, with even higher values taken during altitude training.
 
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Other names among the 19 are estonian Jaak Mae and finn Kaisa Varis. Varis is known epo user and there is a lot of rumours around the top estonians. Nationalities of the skiers on the list are norwegian, fin, estonian, russian, german, austrian, belarussian and swiss. So no swedes or italian.

The most stange is that Spain (Muhlegg) is not mentioned although Austria (Hoffman, Botvinov?) is there.
 
MustIski said:
Aukland won that world cup race in Kuopio Finland, november 2011. Norwegians took places 1 - 8 ahead of Elofsson and Muhlegg. According to my bad memory, blood values from that race where mentioned somewehere in this topic or Blodracet.
2001 you mean. The only blood value mentioned in Blodracet from that race is Erling Jevne's 14,7. Jevne was second in that race, a few seconds behind Aukland.

Of course their point of mentioning this was that they claim that Jevne was measured to have a blood value of 17 under the olympics two months later. What's strange about this, is that surely he would have earned a spot on that suspicion list then too?
 
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What happened to Aukland's Hb post Salt Lake city? :confused:

Aukland.jpg
 
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The Norwegian cross country team was situated in Sun Valley, Idaho (2000m) for two weeks (alsgaard had three weeks) before travelling to Salt Lake city (1800m) where they spent almost three weeks (?). Could these changes to the values be caused by returning to lower altitude? edit: It's hard to say anything without knowing how far apart the measurements are taken

In fact SVT has a story up now saying how many skiiers had high values during those games, but isn't that to be expected (No Swedes were mentioned, maybe they had a shorter stay at high altitude or none) http://www.svt.se/ug/several-medal-...oglobin-counts-at-the-salt-lake-city-olympics
 
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http://www.svt.se/ug/flera-medaljorer-med-hoga-blodvarden-under-os-i-salt-lake-city

So, according to screenshots in the article, there were at least three Finns, four Russians, a Belorussian, three Estonians, two Swiss, and two Norwegians on the suspicious list.

I guess all three Estonians are accounted for (assuming it is Smigun and Veerpalu), and the same for Norwegians. Varis is one of the Finns. What about the others? The first athlete that came to my mind is an ancient Belorussian skier who still tends to pop up with surprising results after long periods of anonymity...
 
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MrRoboto said:
2001 you mean. The only blood value mentioned in Blodracet from that race is Erling Jevne's 14,7. Jevne was second in that race, a few seconds behind Aukland.

Of course their point of mentioning this was that they claim that Jevne was measured to have a blood value of 17 under the olympics two months later. What's strange about this, is that surely he would have earned a spot on that suspicion list then too?
Jevne retired after 2002 except for a few long distance races like the Vasaloppet. He was in his mid 30s already so not too suspicious timing on the retirement, I guess. But that might explain why he is not on any suspicion lists of presumably active athletes.
 
alternator said:
http://www.svt.se/ug/flera-medaljorer-med-hoga-blodvarden-under-os-i-salt-lake-city

So, according to screenshots in the article, there were at least three Finns, four Russians, a Belorussian, three Estonians, two Swiss, and two Norwegians on the suspicious list.

I guess all three Estonians are accounted for (assuming it is Smigun and Veerpalu), and the same for Norwegians. Varis is one of the Finns. What about the others? The first athlete that came to my mind is an ancient Belorussian skier who still tends to pop up with surprising results after long periods of anonymity...
I don't think that's the suspicion list...That's the athletes with high blood values during the games (Where is Mühlegg?).

The norwegians must be Jevne and Aukland (if we are to believe the first program).

The estonian numbers indicate that it's 3 males. Same with the finns. Smigun did really bad those games. Presumably she got a little scared after she tested positive just before the olympics (although the b-test was negative).
 
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MrRoboto said:
I don't think that's the suspicion list...That's the athletes with high blood values during the games (Where is Mühlegg?).

The norwegians must be Jevne and Aukland (if we are to believe the first program).

The estonian numbers indicate that it's 3 males. Same with the finns. Smigun did really bad those games. Presumably she got a little scared after she tested positive just before the olympics (although the b-test was negative).

Ah, of course. Women's limit was lower (16.0?)

I half-remember something about Ari Palolahti and naturally/"naturally" high Hb values, he might be one of the Finns.

...

...but I don't understand how Kaisa Varis was named as one of the athletes with high blood values if the minimum according to list was 16.8? Was she on the other, "suspicion", list then? The context is a bit confused, probably because the program has not actually been sent yet :D

One thing at least is clear from the RET valuess, the Russians were on a different program from the rest in Salt Lake City.
 
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alternator said:
http://www.svt.se/ug/flera-medaljorer-med-hoga-blodvarden-under-os-i-salt-lake-city

So, according to screenshots in the article, there were at least three Finns, four Russians, a Belorussian, three Estonians, two Swiss, and two Norwegians on the suspicious list.

I guess all three Estonians are accounted for (assuming it is Smigun and Veerpalu), and the same for Norwegians. Varis is one of the Finns. What about the others? The first athlete that came to my mind is an ancient Belorussian skier who still tends to pop up with surprising results after long periods of anonymity...

According to the text, the Salt Lake list of skiers with high values included skiers from Finland, Russia, Belarus, Estonia, Switzerland, Norway, Germany and Austria
 
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The Norwegian newspaper VG has the same data (the 5000 blood tests) that Uppdrag granskning are using. They have released Anders Auklands data, with his approval.

There are no dates given for the tests:

Hemoglobin level (% young blood cells in bracets)

15,3 (1,4)
16,5 (1,7)
16,3 (1,7)
16,6 (1,5)
16,1 (1,5)
16,6 (2,0)
16,1 (1,3)
17,0 (1,2)
16,7 (1,7)
16,0 (1,0)
15,9 (1,0)
15,0 (2,0)
14,7 (1,3)
15,1 (1,4)
14,6 (0,8)
16,1 (1,3)
14,6 (1,0)
16,1 (1,8)
15,3 (2,1)
15,7 (1,77)
15,5 (0,9)
16,2 (1,4)

http://www.vg.no/sport/ski/langrenn/artikkel.php?artid=10137684
 
Tyler'sTwin said:
Sweden's women's relay team vs Finland's women's relay team in World Cup distance races:

5 km C - Ladies - Stage World Cup
30 November 2013

1 KOWALCZYK Justyna POL 13:33.7
2 BJOERGEN Marit NOR 13:36.7
3 JOHAUG Therese NOR 13:48.3

5 KALLA Charlotte SWE 13:52.4
6 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 14:00.0

13 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 14:20.0

17 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 14:22.6


36 INGEMARSDOTTER Ida SWE 14:43.4

43 WIKEN Emma SWE 14:47.4


45 SAARINEN Aino-kaisa FIN 14:49.4

10 km F Pursuit - Ladies - Stage World Cup
01 December 2013

1 KALLA Charlotte SWE 27:28.9 26:43.2
2 JOHAUG Therese NOR 27:29.4 26:44.5
3 BJOERGEN Marit NOR 27:28.1 27:02.4

13 SAARINEN Aino-kaisa FIN 29:45.2 27:53.6

20 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 29:18.4 28:02.0


21 INGEMARSDOTTER Ida SWE 29:24.8 28:02.4

33 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 29:36.1 28:18.8

35 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 29:11.4 28:20.6


39 WIKEN Emma SWE 30:21.4 28:26.0

10 km C - Ladies - World Cup
07 December 2013

1 KOWALCZYK Justyna POL 24:59.4
2 KALLA Charlotte SWE 25:11.8
3 BJOERGEN Marit NOR 25:25.0

8 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 26:23.3

10 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 26:25.3

12 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 26:31.3
13 SAARINEN Aino-kaisa FIN 26:38.1


40 INGEMARSDOTTER Ida SWE 27:53.4

15 km F - Ladies - World Cup
14 December 2013

1 BJOERGEN Marit NOR 35:34.4
2 JOHAUG Therese NOR 35:47.4
3 KALLA Charlotte SWE 36:03.3

5 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 36:33.3
6 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 36:50.1

26 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 37:44.8

28 SAARINEN Aino-kaisa FIN 37:49.1


3 km F Prologue - Ladies - Stage World Cup

28 December 2013

1 BJOERGEN Marit NOR 6:34.4
2 JACOBSEN Astrid Uhrenholdt NOR 6:36.3
3 JASKOWIEC Sylwia POL 6:41.4

6 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 6:43.9
7 SAARINEN Aino-Kaisa FIN 6:44.1

10 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 6:46.4

16 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 6:53.5


42 HAAG Anna SWE 7:01.6

50 WIKEN Emma SWE 7:04.2


10 km C Mst - Ladies - Stage World Cup
01 January 2014

1 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 26:27.4
2 JACOBSEN Astrid Uhrenholdt NOR 26:27.8
3 JOHAUG Therese NOR 26:28.5

5 SAARINEN Aino-Kaisa FIN 26:29.9
6 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 26:51.3


12 WIKEN Emma SWE 26:58.5
13 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 26:59.9

16 HAAG Anna SWE 27:09.2

15 km F Pursuit - Ladies - Stage World Cup
03 January 2014

1 LINDBORG Sara SWE 39:50.9 37:16.6
2 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 39:02.0 37:18.3
3 JEAN Aurore FRA 39:02.3 37:20.9

15 HAAG Anna SWE 40:07.1 37:37.1
16 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 38:42.5 37:46.8

27 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 38:52.8 38:16.0

28 WIKEN Emma SWE 40:52.9 38:20.1

37 SAARINEN Aino-Kaisa FIN 39:49.5 38:55.5

5 km C - Ladies - Stage World Cup
04 January 2014

1 JOHAUG Therese NOR 13:58.4
2 JACOBSEN Astrid Uhrenholdt NOR 14:13.3
3 KYLLOENEN Anne FIN 14:17.6
4 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 14:18.1
5 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 14:19.8

7 SAARINEN Aino-Kaisa FIN 14:21.7


12 HAAG Anna SWE 14:35.7

18 WIKEN Emma SWE 14:43.4


10 km C - Ladies - World Cup
01 February 2014 (1 week before the olympics)

1 BJOERGEN Marit NOR 26:54.2
2 JOHAUG Therese NOR 27:30.9
3 KALLA Charlotte SWE 27:37.1

6 NISKANEN Kerttu FIN 27:48.0

9 SAARINEN Aino-Kaisa FIN 28:07.8


28 HAAG Anna SWE 29:05.3

33 WIKEN Emma SWE 29:17.9


Results:

LAHTEENMAKI 6-35(P)-10-6-16-13-2(p)-5

NISKANEN 13-33(p)-8-5-10-1-27(p)-4-6

KYLLOENEN 17-20(p)-12-26-6-6-16(p)-3

SAARINEN 45-13(p)-13-28-7-5-37(p)-7-9


INGEMARSDOTTER 36-21(p)-40

WIKEN 43-39(p)-50-12-28(p)-18-33

HAAG 42-16-15(p)-12-28

KALLA 5-1-2-3-3


Top10's

LAHTEENMAKI 5

NISKANEN 6

KYLLOENEN 3

SAARINEN 4


INGEMARSDOTTER 0

WIKEN 0

HAAG 0

KALLA 4 (in 5 starts)


If I had told you 2 weeks ago that Sweden would match Finland in the classical relay legs you would've called me mad. Swedish fans were questioning whether they could challenge for bronze.
As for the men, Hellner's form was in serious doubt before Toblach and Olsson was probably going to miss out on the olympics due to injury. Hellner, Richardsson, Nelson, Olsson, Wikén and Ingemarsdotter all peaked perfectly, while Kalla is at a brand new level.

Tyler'sTwin said:
Swedish men had 1 podium before the olympics - Hellner in Toblach.

Swedish relay women not named Kalla did not have a single top 10 result before the olympics.

I had to take a break from the clinic. Thinking the Swedes were doped was eating at me. Now with a little distance, this is suspicious, but alternate theories need to be explored before any conclusions can be made IMHO.

Anyway, these posts were so informative that I wanted to give a thumbs up. I don't want to spend time on the current crop of Swedes at this time, since the Blodrace 2 is tonight, and I imagine it will generate some discussions. This new stuff can wait.


Tyler'sTwin said:
What happened to Aukland's Hb post Salt Lake city? :confused:

Aukland.jpg

Looking at this I see potentially three classic grand tour mountain stages!:D

As for blood values, could this be his blood reacting to altitude? They just look weird. If I were to assume doping, I would have to think he removed a liter of blood after the games then inserted some of it again, took it out, put some more in etc.



The Bloodrace part 2 is hopefully not following the trend of part 1 being better than part 2. They seem to have promised to do a better job this time.
 
MrRoboto said:
I don't think that's the suspicion list...That's the athletes with high blood values during the games (Where is Mühlegg?).

The norwegians must be Jevne and Aukland (if we are to believe the first program).

The estonian numbers indicate that it's 3 males. Same with the finns. Smigun did really bad those games. Presumably she got a little scared after she tested positive just before the olympics (although the b-test was negative).

I just assumed the Norwegians were the ones VG mentioned. Hopefully we will find out more tonight.
 
Yes Bloodrace part 2 was better than part 1, though that didn't take much.

If we can get a part 3 it might be good.

Don't understand the fixation with Norway in this program though. Seems like they were ****ed at the criticisms they got last year.

Anyway, all they had was Anders Aukland. It would have been nice to see if his blood followed the same pattern in other years though.

Well Perhaps he did something, or perhaps he didn't.
 
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Heres a page with references to the material used in the program:

http://www.svt.se/ug/ug-referens/ug-referens-skidakarnas-hemliga-blodvarden

the locations and dates of some tests are crossed over unfortunately. Still pretty decent material tho.

links
Stray-Gundersen et al. lahtis 2001 blood doping indications http://www.svt.se/ug/ug-referens/article1863738.svt/binary/blood doping Lahti 2001.pdf
Saltin et al. 6-year blood profile followup http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869659.svt/binary/FIS article Jakob Moerkerberg.pdf
Riders with normal values http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869830.svt/binary/normala värden.pdf
Riders with high, normal values http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869943.svt/binary/Höga godkända värden.pdf
25 riders with varying blood values http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869790.svt/binary/25 skidåkare.pdf
few riders with varying blood values http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869954.svt/binary/varierande värden.pdf
3 estonian riders blood values http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869911.svt/binary/Estland.pdf
list of 25 riders blood vlaues http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869790.svt/binary/25 skidåkare.pdf
per elofssons blood values http://www.svt.se/ug/article1869644.svt/binary/Elofssons värden.pdf
swedish rider with high retics http://www.svt.se/ug/ug-referens/article1870116.svt/binary/svensk åkare.pdf
male rider with high retics prior to salt lake 2002 http://www.svt.se/ug/ug-referens/article1870016.svt/binary/Manlig åkare.pdf
female rider with ramping hb values prior to Salt lake 2002 http://www.svt.se/ug/ug-referens/article1870023.svt/binary/kvinnlig åkare.pdf
2 german female riders with high retics http://www.svt.se/ug/ug-referens/article1870028.svt/binary/landsmaninnor.pdf
Anders Aukland's blood values 2001-2006 http://www.svt.se/ug/ug-referens/article1870141.svt/binary/Aukland.pdf