High tempo is not a red flag for me. I am one big dude and I run at higher cadence than most Johaug types. Because I trained myself to do it. As a big guy, skiing obviously that's let obvious to try still.
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Seems like the asthma is working out pretty well for him.Robert5091 said:http://www.dn.se/sport/johan-esk-lakaren-tycker-astmasjuka-ska-tavla-i-handikappidrott/
Swedish reasoning for making "sick" athletes take suspensions from sport whilst "recovering".
Also "Calle Halfvarsson was relieved to be diagnosed with asthma" (!)
maltiv said:Seems like the asthma is working out pretty well for him.Robert5091 said:http://www.dn.se/sport/johan-esk-lakaren-tycker-astmasjuka-ska-tavla-i-handikappidrott/
Swedish reasoning for making "sick" athletes take suspensions from sport whilst "recovering".
Also "Calle Halfvarsson was relieved to be diagnosed with asthma" (!)
BullsFan22 said:maltiv said:Seems like the asthma is working out pretty well for him.Robert5091 said:http://www.dn.se/sport/johan-esk-lakaren-tycker-astmasjuka-ska-tavla-i-handikappidrott/
Swedish reasoning for making "sick" athletes take suspensions from sport whilst "recovering".
Also "Calle Halfvarsson was relieved to be diagnosed with asthma" (!)
Yeah. No stopping him at the moment.
olhell said:BullsFan22 said:maltiv said:Seems like the asthma is working out pretty well for him.Robert5091 said:http://www.dn.se/sport/johan-esk-lakaren-tycker-astmasjuka-ska-tavla-i-handikappidrott/
Swedish reasoning for making "sick" athletes take suspensions from sport whilst "recovering".
Also "Calle Halfvarsson was relieved to be diagnosed with asthma" (!)
Yeah. No stopping him at the moment.
Even works as a placebo:
http://www.vg.no/sport/langrenn/langrenn/trodde-han-inhalerte-astmamedisin-lagkompis-fortalte-ham-at-den-var-tom/a/23863187/
Which he probably noticed today, or?John de Savage said:olhell said:BullsFan22 said:maltiv said:Seems like the asthma is working out pretty well for him.Robert5091 said:http://www.dn.se/sport/johan-esk-lakaren-tycker-astmasjuka-ska-tavla-i-handikappidrott/
Swedish reasoning for making "sick" athletes take suspensions from sport whilst "recovering".
Also "Calle Halfvarsson was relieved to be diagnosed with asthma" (!)
Yeah. No stopping him at the moment.
Even works as a placebo:
http://www.vg.no/sport/langrenn/langrenn/trodde-han-inhalerte-astmamedisin-lagkompis-fortalte-ham-at-den-var-tom/a/23863187/
An actual asthmatic would presumably notice if he ran out of meds.
I agree with a point, but to be fair, you are confusing stupidity or simple mistake or ignorance at best; and that still is not same caliber as stupidity.Cloxxki said:If stupidity can in anyway be use as leverage to get a lower ban
Almost everything works as placebo.olhell said:BullsFan22 said:maltiv said:Seems like the asthma is working out pretty well for him.Robert5091 said:http://www.dn.se/sport/johan-esk-lakaren-tycker-astmasjuka-ska-tavla-i-handikappidrott/
Swedish reasoning for making "sick" athletes take suspensions from sport whilst "recovering".
Also "Calle Halfvarsson was relieved to be diagnosed with asthma" (!)
Yeah. No stopping him at the moment.
Even works as a placebo:
http://www.vg.no/sport/langrenn/langrenn/trodde-han-inhalerte-astmamedisin-lagkompis-fortalte-ham-at-den-var-tom/a/23863187/
Kowalczyk was questioned here times and times again. No way Kowalczyk is bigger than Bjoergen, too. Kowalczyk is not even nearly so muscular as Marit is. She is just taller.Oude Geuze said:Funny how nobody questions Kowalczyk who is obviously bigger and heavier than Bjørgen
Comparing it is ok; nobody says it's exactly the same.Comparing it to cycling like you do is just ridiculous.
No one is saying that more muscular athletes and/or athletes with heavier built are not able to follow on short hills. Hard to even say who your reaction belongs to. Problem with Marit as I see it is this: she is of the charts. She posses musculature of female bodybuilder. She has bigger muscles than male athletes. To me xc skiing still more or less is and endurance sport, but she can win 30 km race.If you think 10-15kg makes it impossible to follow on the short hills in WC skiing, you dont understand physiology.
There were people in this thread elaborating on cycling vs. xc skiing effort in far greater detail than you. I think are oversimplyficating it a lot. First and foremost in cycling you have varying kinds of efforts - you have completely flat prologues, you have MTT's, you have pan flat stages where most of the stage is often not in the very high pace and so on. Even in one stage/one day race intensity changes too.Skiing is maximum effort 30sec-3min, rest, and then 70-80% on the flats before you put on another max effort again.
And this study shows that the effect on women are multiple times stronger than on men with Formoterol. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25650070The findings indicate that formoterol has considerably more powerful anabolic effects on skeletal muscle than older generation beta(2)-agonists [like clenbuterol and albuterol]
From a body-builder forum http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/archive/index.php/t-74086.html:Fifteen healthy adults (8 men).
MEASUREMENTS:
Volunteers were treated with oral formoterol 160 μg/day for one week.
"Formoterol induced an absolute anabolic effect that was greater in women (30 vs 8%). Heart rate, systolic and diastolic blood pressures were unaffected.
CONCLUSION:
In a therapeutic dose, formoterol stimulates protein anabolism in humans. It induced gender-dimorphic effects on protein turnover and on the partitioning of amino acids from oxidative loss toward protein synthesis, effects that are greater in women than in men."
This study shows that the ideal effect is as low as 160 microgram daily to avoid side-effects but still reach optimal gain https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110606092742.htm:-Vascularity is coming out quite nicely, and I am noticing a little toning already and veins coming out massively.
-Especially during curls, pumps are amazing.
And then finally back to the real experts, body-builders https://area1255.blogspot.se/2015/11/formoterol-strongest-beta-agonist.html:Research in animals has shown that formoterol can stimulate the growth of muscle and the burning of fat. This is the first study demonstrating the beneficial metabolic effects of formoterol in humans," said the study's lead author Paul Lee, MD, PhD, a research fellow at the Garvan Institute of Medical Research in Sydney.
The discovery is important, Lee said, because "it suggests that formoterol may be used in the future to prevent obesity and muscle loss in humans."
He said they found that the 160-microgram dose had metabolic benefits without raising heart rate.
The rate of fat oxidation, or burning, rose by almost 25 percent, indicating there may be a loss of fat in the long term, Lee reported.
But clearly those studies are unknown to Olympiatoppen, the NSF and their medical team and Marit Bjørgen herself. It is truly not fun anymore with FIS elite XC-skiing.Friday, November 13, 2015
Formoterol - The Strongest Beta-Agonist Available that does much more than Clen
Formoterol (brand name Foradil, among others) is the strongest medically accessible beta-adrenergic agonist - it is used in medicine for Asthma. As opposed to Albuterol which is an Emergency only inhaler (generally) formoterol is used daily to treat Asthma. It's duration of action is much longer (about 9-12 hours).
The benefit to bodybuilders, athletes and even 'fitness enthusiasts' is that Formoterol treatments downregulates the myostatin system; which allows for a surge of muscle growth(also see here). Myostatin inhibitors are in deep investigation (!) for muscle wasting disorders but even in normal animals and humans; myostatin inhibition causes dramatic, almost unprecedented muscle growth.
Clenbuterol does not offer this effect.
Thus, Formoterol is far superior to Clen and does not just 'burn fat' - rather, it has profound anabolic effects that may surpass a ***-load of other commonly used pharmaceuticals and supplements..it may even parallel steroids and is synergistic with all forms of testosterone.
FORMOTEROL comes prescribed in capsules which are loaded into an inhaler, while emptying the powder into a drink or holding it under tongue does not prove efficacious for asthma - it is the recommended mechanism of absorption for workout purposes....
Cloxxki said:Kowalckzyk is not getting a by here at all. Here musculature has been noted, and her lack of form last year has been attributed to being clean-ish.
Look at the 30km of Sochi. How well Bjoergen stayed with the Duracell bunny. To me, that's not cool. The oxygen has to come from somewhere. Those were 3 minute climbs, and no sign of weakness at the summit.
So much extra muscle mass for a little bit of outright speed, but no ill effect of the added weight on an uphill? Even up Alpe Cermis she loses to very few lanky skinny girls.
python said:i will root for the kowa chick every time over any norge chick (well, perhaps, except the heidi weng chick ), but to say she was getting a pass here is ignorant and lazy.
yes, kowa's skating has practically not improved in over a decade. she's hardly alone among the elite athletes...
it'd be interesting if she with her coaches ever estimated how much efficiency she is loosing due to her poor technique. btw, jusyna has a phd in applied physiology (physical education) and i would assume is quite capable to approach the improvement analytically. while she is bearable to watch at a skating start, she literally breaks down - like last weekend in lillehammer during an individual 5K - at the finish.
what can be more suspicious than with such a sub-par technique she won a gold in the turin 30 k freestyle :Question: :idea:
there is nothing to add about the freakish marit. i was relieved she could have a baby
Please use the "Report" function to bring mods attention to any offensive language or comments.Oude Geuze said:python said:i will root for the kowa chick every time over any norge chick (well, perhaps, except the heidi weng chick ), but to say she was getting a pass here is ignorant and lazy.
yes, kowa's skating has practically not improved in over a decade. she's hardly alone among the elite athletes...
it'd be interesting if she with her coaches ever estimated how much efficiency she is loosing due to her poor technique. btw, jusyna has a phd in applied physiology (physical education) and i would assume is quite capable to approach the improvement analytically. while she is bearable to watch at a skating start, she literally breaks down - like last weekend in lillehammer during an individual 5K - at the finish.
what can be more suspicious than with such a sub-par technique she won a gold in the turin 30 k freestyle :Question: :idea:
there is nothing to add about the freakish marit. i was relieved she could have a baby
Why do you write "norge" in singular, non specific with a lower case "n" in such a passive agressive way in all your posts? You would never write "i will root for the kowa chick every time over any england chick" Thats how hateful and bitter people talk, and I know most of you are deep in the cynical echo-chamber of resentment down here but damn, who beat you so bad wearing red suite? Just a modicum of civility and respect for nations and their athletes would be nice.
Why not a modicum of civility and respect for your fellow posters? You're truly entering this forum like a Rhino with ADHD. Arrogance seems indeed to be a widespread affliction in Norway.Oude Geuze said:Thats how hateful and bitter people talk, and I know most of you are deep in the cynical echo-chamber of resentment down here but damn, who beat you so bad wearing red suite? Just a modicum of civility and respect for nations and their athletes would be nice.