Doping raid Operación Galgo: Fuentes Caught...again

[Cloxxki]

Funny how they get away with keeping the "usually untraceable" part of blood doping out of the context, as if this is not the very reason it's so popular with global level winners.
"There was only blood in her blood sample, so no blood doping must have taken place then".
Please name the 2 or 3 people on earth still taking this for truth?

 

[frenchfry]

Funny how they get away with keeping the "usually untraceable" part of blood doping out of the context, as if this is not the very reason it's so popular with global level winners.
"There was only blood in her blood sample, so no blood doping must have taken place then".
Please name the 2 or 3 people on earth still taking this for truth?

Polish, Flicker, Hombre,...

 

[Cloxxki]

I wonder, would Bezabeh sincerely be mentally challenged, in the medical sense? That he'd blindly trust his coach's preferred practice of juggling blood bags? A ban is hard to avoid for the athlete, but and he'll enver perform as before again, but the coach could get in very grave criminal issues, beyond the cheating part.

The advantage of being old. A life sentence is at worst a few years. It's like the perfect crime you don't need to bother covering up.

Not sure if I'd chose to plead stupid or evil myself, if I were to confess such a fact.

 

[sniper]

I wonder, would Bezabeh sincerely be mentally challenged, in the medical sense? That he'd blindly trust his coach's preferred practice of juggling blood bags? A ban is hard to avoid for the athlete, but and he'll enver perform as before again, but the coach could get in very grave criminal issues, beyond the cheating part.

The advantage of being old. A life sentence is at worst a few years. It's like the perfect crime you don't need to bother covering up.

Not sure if I'd chose to plead stupid or evil myself, if I were to confess such a fact.

It's clear they've been experimenting on the guy, an easy victim, a classic lab rat.
He was found on the streets of Madrid just a few years ago:
"Le hicieron unos estudios genéticos para saber su edad exacta, ya que no disponía de documentación"
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemayehu_Bezabeh#cite_note-barro-0

"Since 2006 she has passed more than 50 tests, including at the worlds in Berlin," Odriozola said. "Her tests were always normal."

I bet there was nothing wrong with Bezabeh's tests either.

 

[maltiv]

Fuentes is now spreading his message among the common delinquents he's met during his arrest. And he's talked about football to them:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2010/12/13/masdeporte/1292228306.html

If he starts threatening to reveal stuff about football then he definitely won't get any punishment. He will probably be paid, if anything.

 

[thehog]

If he starts threatening to reveal stuff about football then he definitely won't get any punishment. He will probably be paid, if anything.

It's the ace of spades. Wild card draw four. Can't beat it. He's got them beat. Give him 6 months and he'll either be working again or dead.

 

[flicker]

what i completely fail to understand is how the f. fuentes's mind works

the guy was lucky to avoid jail first time around and a few years down the road he's facing the same. is he an addicted gambler or plain stupid ?

FIFA huh? I have been accused of trolling and banned more than once but,I was the one who pointed out that the major league rings are not around Armstrong but FIFA. I have said it many times here I will say it again the source of doping does not come from cycling but Spanish Soccer.

My prediction Fuentes walks with a small fine, a few fall guys fall and business as usual. I do not know because I live in the hinterlands of th U.S. but doesn't soccer demand more money and is most popular sport in the world?

 

[BotanyBay]

the guy was lucky to avoid jail first time around and a few years down the road he's facing the same. is he an addicted gambler or plain stupid ?

Addiction and this kind of behavior are close cousins. He gets his high from beating the system and from the high fees he charges these guys. The riders get their high from beating the system (and the results they obtain).

A gambler can't stop until the entire thing falls apart. No addict just says "time to check into rehab". They always suffer consequences (or a series of them).

 

[Oldman]

FIFA huh? I have been accused of trolling and banned more than once but,I was the one who pointed out that the major league rings are not around Armstrong but FIFA. I have said it many times here I will say it again the source of doping does not come from cycling but Spanish Soccer.

My prediction Fuentes walks with a small fine, a few fall guys fall and business as usual. I do not know because I live in the hinterlands of th U.S. but doesn't soccer demand more money and is most popular sport in the world?

On this we agree although Fuentes may have served his usefulness. His knowledge of who has taken what may be his salvation as others have noted or his reason to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes...

 

[The Hitch]

Well, Xavi says there's no doping in football, so that's settled then. Whew I was worried for a second.

And Xabi knows that Contador is innocent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_50oE__kKP8&feature=channel

We are covering real ground here today.

btw do you have a link to the Xavi thing?

If he starts threatening to reveal stuff about football then he definitely won't get any punishment. He will probably be paid, if anything.

They better hope Fuentes doesnt get any grand ideas about having a picture taken of him smiling holding the world cup

 

[hrotha]

I don't think Spanish football is particularly dirty, compared to other world powers. It might be dirtier, but that's a baseless assumption that feeds on the stereotype of the Spanish doping lovers. There's relatively little info about doping in football, almost nothing compared to what we know in cycling, so the bits we can gather from here and there suggest what one would expect - that the whole thing is rotten: Juventus, blood doping in the French national team, the stillborn Puerto allegations about Barça and Madrid, Sabino Padilla and Athletic, etc. I'm more familiar with stories from Spain and I haven't heard anything about, say, English football, but maybe someone else can fill in for me.

edit: Hitch, here you are
http://www.marca.com/2010/12/13/futbol/seleccion/1292243166.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbUCsXGoAh0

It's thoroughly uninteresting though, but you'll giggle when he says they're tested all the time.

 

[The Hitch]

On this we agree although Fuentes may have served his usefulness. His knowledge of who has taken what may be his salvation as others have noted or his reason to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes...

When you read as many espionage novels as me, the answer is simple.

You give about 10 unidentified contacts a packaged list with a printed address, and instructions that if anything happens to you, they are to post the list immediately.

The address is usualy a big media station or 2.

In this case, the Spanish media probably wouldnt report negatively on their gods, but who was it that lost in the final again, ah yes the dutchies.

They lay one finger on him and RTL gets a very long list of small Barca players whos fitness turns out not to be as natural as it seems.

 

[The Hitch]

I don't think Spanish football is particularly dirty, compared to other world powers. It might be dirtier, but that's a baseless assumption that feeds on the stereotype of the Spanish doping lovers. There's relatively little info about doping in football, almost nothing compared to what we know in cycling, so the bits we can gather from here and there suggest what one would expect - that the whole thing is rotten: Juventus, blood doping in the French national team, the stillborn Puerto allegations about Barça and Madrid, Sabino Padilla and Athletic, etc. I'm more familiar with stories from Spain and I haven't heard anything about, say, English football, but maybe someone else can fill in for me.

edit: Hitch, here you are
http://www.marca.com/2010/12/13/futbol/seleccion/1292243166.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbUCsXGoAh0

It's thoroughly uninteresting though, but you'll giggle when he says they're tested all the time.

Your right. Its by no means limited to Spain. Whats most suspicious about the Juve thing is that no player failed a test and they all swore on their mum that they never took a drop. Which means the old lady was spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on drugs that could only be used for performance enhancement, but no one was using them.

How odd.

And i dont think ill be able to read those comments looking at the first few.

"Doping isnt neccesary in football". Yeah, well **** you too.

Worst of all Marca didnt allow me to register to make comments unless i provided a Spanish post code and i dont have one.

Its probably for the best since my username was going to be EPO_Iker

Btw what area of Spain are you from. The North where its most popular si?

 

[hrotha]

Your right. Its by no means limited to Spain. Whats most suspicious about the Juve thing is that no player failed a test and they all swore on their mum that they never took a drop. Which means the old lady was spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on drugs that could only be used for performance enhancement, but no one was using them.

How odd.

And i dont think ill be able to read those comments looking at the first few.

"Doping isnt neccesary in football". Yeah, well **** you too.

Worst of all Marca didnt allow me to register to make comments unless i provided a Spanish post code and i dont have one.

Its probably for the best since my username was going to be EPO_Iker

Btw what area of Spain are you from. The North where its most popular si?

Trust me, you don't want to post there. Sometimes I read the comments because I'm morbidly attracted to them (it's a kind of spEak You're bRanes deal, I'd say), but it'll suck out your soul. Stay away, for your own good.

And yeah, obviously it's packed full of the most casual fans/idiots. There appears to be two camps right now: an overwhelming majority that thinks there's no doping in football ("oh yeah can your dope make iniesta pass the ball like that its all about skills you dummy"), and a minority of vocal Real Madrid fanatics who have taken this chance to bash Barça ("oh yeah farça won those titles cuz they were doped itll all come out just you wait hala madrid") but who seem to believe it's not a widespread thing - and certainly that it doesn't involve their own team. It's pathetic really.

I'm from Madrid. I'm half faux-Basque and I usually spend part of the summer in Navarre, if that helps.

 

[sniper]

When you read as many espionage novels as me, the answer is simple.

You give about 10 unidentified contacts a packaged list with a printed address, and instructions that if anything happens to you, they are to post the list immediately.

The address is usualy a big media station or 2.

In this case, the Spanish media probably wouldnt report negatively on their gods, but who was it that lost in the final again, ah yes the dutchies.

They lay one finger on him and RTL gets a very long list of small Barca players whos fitness turns out not to be as natural as it seems.

I'm not so sure about the Dutchies' desire to digg in deep. The Dutchies aren't that horny for doping (I mean the Dutch media aren't, generally). The Germans, that's a different story. The words of Fuentes' cellmate are spreading. http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/13122010/73/doping-spaniens-fussball-wehrt.html
The Germans have two recent painful losses against Spain to cope with (Euro 2008 final + 2010 semis).

 

[The Hitch]

I'm not so sure about the Dutchies' desire to digg in deep. The Dutchies aren't that horny for doping (I mean the Dutch media aren't, generally). The Germans, that's a different story. The words of Fuentes' cellmate are spreading. http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/13122010/73/doping-spaniens-fussball-wehrt.html
The Germans have two recent painful losses against Spain to cope with (Euro 2008 final + 2010 semis).

That last paragraph in that article

Fuentes hatte nach der Aufdeckung des großen Radsport-Dopingskandals der "Operación Puerto" (Operation Bergpass) im Jahr 2006 behauptet, auch andere Sportarten seien darin verwickelt. Beweise dafür gibt es nicht.

I dropped german about 2 years ago, but according to the translation, and what i remember, are they saying :

Fuentes says that other sports were involved, but there is no evidence for it

If so that is journalism at its worst.

 

[sniper]

That last paragraph in that article


I dropped german about 2 years ago, but according to the translation, and what i remember, are they saying :

Fuentes says that other sports were involved, but there is no evidence for it

If so that is journalism at its worst.

That's indeed what it says. Though what is meant is that there is no evidence for involvement of footballplayers/-teams in OP. Not that there were no evidence of doping in football in general.

Would you say there is evidence of a link between football and OP, or just rumors?

 

[Cloxxki]

Well, us Dutchies do feel football is a bit deal (I think of it as a spectators game rather than a sport, too many people are good enough to be pro at it).
Who knows, they might try to play the Fuentes game. How many Dutch secrets we'll have to sacrifice for it? Possibly the track runner's sweetheart talent slash enfant terrible: Adrienne Herzog. She was heard in this investigation already, (totally failed at Euro Cross champs a few days later, couldn't follow opening pace while having been tipped for at least a podium again) and said she knew nothing and did nothing. Realistically, there's bound to be some Dutch cyclists involved there.

 

[icefire]

That's indeed what it says. Though what is meant is that there is no evidence for involvement of footballplayers/-teams in OP. Not that there were no evidence of doping in football in general.

Would you say there is evidence of a link between football and OP, or just rumors?

Less than half the names in OP were cyclists, so there is room for speculation about which other sports were also in Fuentes' portfolio. Jesús Manzano talked about seeing football and tennis players in Fuentes clinic. Even if there is evidence of football players, it can't be used for prosecuting them because the Law at the time of OP didn't allow that. But the evidences from OP and OG can be used to prosecute Fuentes. He can be judged and convicted for his actions without being asked about his customers in the Court hearings. So, what's he going to do? Name them? Sue them? My guess is he just wants to make the headlines.

 

[python]

the more i hear about dr fue the more i think he's nuts. if he uses his new mix up to name names, good on him, but it wont change the fact he's an outlandish nut.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

FIFA huh? I have been accused of trolling and banned more than once but,I was the one who pointed out that the major league rings are not around Armstrong but FIFA. I have said it many times here I will say it again the source of doping does not come from cycling but Spanish Soccer.

My prediction Fuentes walks with a small fine, a few fall guys fall and business as usual. I do not know because I live in the hinterlands of th U.S. but doesn't soccer demand more money and is most popular sport in the world?

Based on my experience with riders, it is indeed true that the prevelance of Nandrolone in the peloton was a foot-ball related connection.

Don't feel bad, Flickie. We all secretly love you...

 

[Roland Rat]

I'm more familiar with stories from Spain and I haven't heard anything about, say, English football, but maybe someone else can fill in for me.

There's a lot of it in England, but the thing is the players are too stupid to realise what they're being given. I've heard talk about receiving "vitamin injections" that improve their fitness significantly.

Here's something from Wenger in 2004:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...wenger-suspects-imports-of-doping-543006.html

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

There's a lot of it in England, but the thing is the players are too stupid to realise what they're being given. I've heard talk about receiving "vitamin injections" that improve their fitness significantly.

Here's something from Wenger in 2004:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...wenger-suspects-imports-of-doping-543006.html

This reminds me of when I was riding for small Euro team in the late 80s with some National Team connections (lots of riders on the team were Nat Team). We showed up for a race, got set up in our accom, and then the needles came out.

Everyone lined up for their shot in the *ss, but I denied it. "What? You don't want one? Cummon, it's only a B12 shot..." That sort of chanting started, but I refused. My position was one of 'if you can't eat it, I won't take it'.

A few years later, all of the 'hard men' on the team were popped.

 

[Oldman]

This reminds me of when I was riding for small Euro team in the late 80s with some National Team connections (lots of riders on the team were Nat Team). We showed up for a race, got set up in our accom, and then the needles came out.

Everyone lined up for their shot in the *ss, but I denied it. "What? You don't want one? Cummon, it's only a B12 shot..." That sort of chanting started, but I refused. My position was one of 'if you can't eat it, I won't take it'.

A few years later, all of the 'hard men' on the team were popped.

Very consistent story with some USACycling guys in late '80's, 90's. Offered the "vitamins" by Eddie B and his minions. My buddy asked why they were getting vitamin injections 2 weeks before an event.
His contract was "withdrawn" by Montgomery Subaru with Eddie citing Weisel's displeasure with the rider's "unprofessional attitude".
I wasn't in the room but have no reason to disbelieve my buddy who was very naive about contracts and had me recieving his faxed offers from Eddie. In a weird fax coincidence another rider's contract offer was also forwarded to me accidentally. I was surprised that domestic pros (former Eddie B Olympic medalists) were offered $75,000/year back in early 90's.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Very consistent story with some USACycling guys in late '80's, 90's. Offered the "vitamins" by Eddie B and his minions. My buddy asked why they were getting vitamin injections 2 weeks before an event.
His contract was "withdrawn" by Montgomery Subaru with Eddie citing Weisel's displeasure with the rider's "unprofessional attitude".
I wasn't in the room but have no reason to disbelieve my buddy who was very naive about contracts and had me recieving his faxed offers from Eddie. In a weird fax coincidence another rider's contract offer was also forwarded to me accidentally. I was surprised that domestic pros (former Eddie B Olympic medalists) were offered $75,000/year back in early 90's.

Ah, those were the days... Good ol' Eddy B...

I went to the States to train in the winter around then. Good San Diego and Los Angeles night track racing (with good money), training crits with good money, and some really good training rides. The English will even be surprised who was around then.

I recall some rides up Palomar with EdB and the Montgomery boys... Even the trackies could climb back then. Must have been something in the water...

I'm surprised no one's been talking sh*t about the Lycra team. There's a template for entrenched doping. Roger's a douchebag...