Dual subject : Vino and other relatively clean/dirty 2010 TdF riders

[Animal]

Another stage and Vino is in another breakaway. That guy is a dirty cheat. If he is riding clean, then he is a Russian experiment and may be a robot.

He's learned his lesson.

He's gone autologous this year.

 

[Cloxxki]

Indeed. Mr-favorite-son-in-law Ivan Basso is obviously something completely different. Considering becoming 4th in the Giro and the Vuelta then the year after winning the Giro isn't suspicious at all.

What's a more reasonable progression in performance then, after not racing for 2 years? Take 4 years to go from 4th to 1st?

 

[sportzchick]

Liked by whom? The peloton? General fandom? This forum? Whichever one you're saying, I would disagree that Basso and Millar are disliked. With regards to this forum (as I admittedly can draw few conclusions about the other 2 groups with any confidence), I don't think Basso and Millar are disliked so much as Vino's panache and attacking style are admired by cycling fans, as they create a good amount of suspense and spectacle and make the bike race that much more interesting to watch. Basso, in winning the Giro, was impressive, but it was much less exciting to watch him ride everyone off his wheel than it is to see someone like Vinokourov do an unexpected attack and watch on the edge of your seat to see if he holds it to the line. Millar is hard to gauge as an exciting rider because he's in the peloton mostly, although anyone paying attention to bike racing would see that he's doing a brave ride injured in the Tour this year, often does good selfless work for his teammates on the front, and did an admirable ride in Paris-Roubaix this year. All of these riders have different admirable qualities (this is entirely aside from anything you may think about them off the bike, ie. personality, doping history, etc), but Vino's style tends to elicit bursts of joy on internet message boards while the qualities of the other riders named are less obvious and immediate, and so don't receive as much comment.

As for your comment on doping, fair enough if you have that opinion but that is not the way it is. There are not lifetime bans for first offenders. And while riders are allowed to/are riding in bike races, I personally think it's fine to cheer for them. Frankly, I think that if you only want to cheer for riders who don't dope, you should maybe not watch cycling because I suspect that there are many, many riders who have not been caught/sanctioned that did/do dope.

As for the OP, I think that, based on performances in this Tour, I'm pretty sure that Rogers and Wigans are riding pretty clean, and I have very little doubt that Gerdemann is riding entirely clean.

i didnt mean they were disliked but vino is given more allowences then either basso or millar from what I read.

Who is clean I've got no idea right now - ive got my thories but I had them for other riders and its proven otherwise. Up till this year I was admimate on certain riders...now I dont know and its stinks.

If they are all cheating/doping well then its a level playing field at least and we can stop the pretence that we want a clean sport.

I dont find the first offence to be of any deterrant whatsoever especally if you can come back a hero as well - like I said lets stop the prentence. If you know that you will lose everything and wont get it back if you do dope then you will think twice before doing it surely.