Dumoulin.

[Brullnux]

He's cracked it!

 

[Benotti69]

Domoulin has ridden 7 GTs before this Giro and only finished 3. Not a great record or a showing of potential for GTs.

 

[SeriousSam]

If Quintana, G, and Pinot/Mollema were his domestiques, it would be like Sir Bradley's 2012 Tour

 

[No_Balls]

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Man, he is really going full Wiggo, he can definitely win this whole thing[/

Full Wiggo is a six month peak form so he aint there yet. That being said, Tom is obviously jacked up like there is no tomorrow.

 

[GraftPunk]

Cycling makes me LOL sometimes. On the upside at least other teams are catching up to Sky in terms of preparation to keep things interesting.

 

[PremierAndrew]

It's his performances in multi-mountain stages that remains to be seen. If he's cracked those too, we're looking at a new top 3 stage racer

 

[ontheroad]

In retrospect I think the comparisions with Wiggo are much too harsh. Tom has showed talent at a much earlier age. Wiggo only smashed it at around the 30 mark. Dumoulin does look good on a bike but cycling continues to defy logic sometimes.

 

[classicomano]

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Domoulin has ridden 7 GTs before this Giro and only finished 3. Not a great record or a showing of potential for GTs.

What point are you trying to make here? All 4 of those DNF's were because of crashes/injury's.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Domoulin has ridden 7 GTs before this Giro and only finished 3. Not a great record or a showing of potential for GTs.

What point are you trying to make here? All 4 of those DNF's were because of crashes/injury's.

As i said not showing GT potential.

 

[red_flanders]

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In retrospect I think the comparisions with Wiggo are much too harsh. Tom has showed talent at a much earlier age. Wiggo only smashed it at around the 30 mark. Dumoulin does look good on a bike but cycling continues to defy logic sometimes.

Good call.

I would add that I'm not going to add him to Wiggo status after one climb, either. Let's see.

 

[Singer01]

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Domoulin has ridden 7 GTs before this Giro and only finished 3. Not a great record or a showing of potential for GTs.

What point are you trying to make here? All 4 of those DNF's were because of crashes/injury's.

As i said not showing GT potential.

Indurains first 9 3 week races, DNF x 5, 84, 92, 97, 47. People develop at different rates.

 

[Fernandez]

Aparently you cant deliver a great performance without being beating in the clinic threads.

 

[Cookster15]

Re: Re:

Domoulin has ridden 7 GTs before this Giro and only finished 3. Not a great record or a showing of potential for GTs.

What point are you trying to make here? All 4 of those DNF's were because of crashes/injury's.

As i said not showing GT potential.

Alberto Contador hadn't showed GT potential before the 2007 Tdf either. You need to start somewhere. Is Dumoulin doping, probably. But we all know they all dope so I struggle to understand why a big deal is made of every rider who challenges for a GT podium. Agree with Fernandez. Spot on comment, I dropped in here to see the inevitable reaction and wasn't disappointed

 

[Brullnux]

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In retrospect I think the comparisions with Wiggo are much too harsh. Tom has showed talent at a much earlier age. Wiggo only smashed it at around the 30 mark. Dumoulin does look good on a bike but cycling continues to defy logic sometimes.

Good call.

I would add that I'm not going to add him to Wiggo status after one climb, either. Let's see.

Wiggins didn't focus on road until he was 27/28 though, and immediately came 4th in the Tour, which is better than Dumoulin has ever done prior to this.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Tom is clean.

 

[kingjr]

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Tom is clean.

Ah, you just reminded me of all the glorious "Rolf er ren" jokes on the internet.

 

[Saint Unix]

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Indurains first 9 3 week races, DNF x 5, 84, 92, 97, 47. People develop at different rates.

Especially if they discover EPO at some point during said development.

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

In retrospect I think the comparisions with Wiggo are much too harsh. Tom has showed talent at a much earlier age. Wiggo only smashed it at around the 30 mark. Dumoulin does look good on a bike but cycling continues to defy logic sometimes.

Good call.

I would add that I'm not going to add him to Wiggo status after one climb, either. Let's see.

Wiggins didn't focus on road until he was 27/28 though, and immediately came 4th in the Tour, which is better than Dumoulin has ever done prior to this.

Come on. Who buys this stuff?

 

[chuuurles]

I think he got pissed of with Sky's TUE abuse and said F*&@ it...

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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Domoulin has ridden 7 GTs before this Giro and only finished 3. Not a great record or a showing of potential for GTs.

What point are you trying to make here? All 4 of those DNF's were because of crashes/injury's.

As i said not showing GT potential.

Indurains first 9 3 week races, DNF x 5, 84, 92, 97, 47. People develop at different rates.

Did you just use Indurain as an example of natural rider development? Wow... Even Riis or Chiappucci would be a better example.

John Swanson

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Re: Re:

In retrospect I think the comparisions with Wiggo are much too harsh. Tom has showed talent at a much earlier age. Wiggo only smashed it at around the 30 mark. Dumoulin does look good on a bike but cycling continues to defy logic sometimes.

Good call.

I would add that I'm not going to add him to Wiggo status after one climb, either. Let's see.

Wiggins didn't focus on road until he was 27/28 though, and immediately came 4th in the Tour, which is better than Dumoulin has ever done prior to this.

Come on. Who buys this stuff?

Oh, me. Definitely. I mean nobody with the talent wants to win the Tour or shows any results until they FOCUS. Just last month a Cat 3 I know turned 40 and it was kind of like a mid-life crisis. He decided to "focus" and now he's hitting up Horner for advice and bugging JV for a contract.

John Swanson

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Cycling makes me LOL sometimes. On the upside at least other teams are catching up to Sky in terms of preparation to keep things interesting.

Agree.

At least with TD it's a guy with some results as a young pro. And a guy who actually looks decent on a bike. Looks like he ought to TT like this. And is decent to look at in general. Marketable. Unlike Dawg who brings little to the image of the sport.

I don't think TD is clean, but after what we've been subjected to from Sky, I can sort of give him a pass. YMMV.

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Hard days for the little pure climbers though. UCI needs to find them a place in the sport. Or Velon ought to instead of this Hammertime foolishness.

 

[Rollthedice]

Training in SA pays off. Teide too. As seen on Blockhaus.

 

[Brullnux]

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In retrospect I think the comparisions with Wiggo are much too harsh. Tom has showed talent at a much earlier age. Wiggo only smashed it at around the 30 mark. Dumoulin does look good on a bike but cycling continues to defy logic sometimes.

Good call.

I would add that I'm not going to add him to Wiggo status after one climb, either. Let's see.

Wiggins didn't focus on road until he was 27/28 though, and immediately came 4th in the Tour, which is better than Dumoulin has ever done prior to this.

Come on. Who buys this stuff?

What? It's true. Wiggins was an excellent track cyclist. The transition was more out there than Dumorain, but not as much as some people are saying. Dumoulin went TT specialist to GT, wiggins went track to GT. Dumorain is probably better climber than wiggo ever was.

 

[BullsFan22]

Let's see what Dumoulin does in the mountain stages to come. If he doesn't lose much time and even wins a MTF stage, fending off Quintana, Nibali, Pinot and the rest of the riders that are supposed to climb better than him, then we may have a Wiggins and potentially a Indurain. Doping? A good chance. The next Wiggins? A real good chance. The next Indurain? Not just yet. Quite a few of Big Mig's TT wins, particularly those at the GT races were colossal, he'd win over 3 minutes. Actually Ullrich was really compared to Indurain back in the day. I remember Ullrich's win at the 1997 TDF. That first TT win to St. Etienne, coming two stages after his win at Arcalis. He started in yellow, last man on the road, starting 3 minutes behind Virenque. He caught Virenque with a few km's to go. Won by 3:05. Granted that was a tough course over 55 km, and looking at the time, 1 hour 16. So 26 more minutes in the saddle than Dumoulin. That said, Ullrich had no real trouble following the best climbers (Pantani and Virenque), apart from losing to Pantani on L'Alpe D'huez and having some difficulty on a hilly transition stage after the final MTF that year. But the strong Telekom team protected him well and he didn't lose any time, winning the overall by 9 minutes and change. I don't see Big Tom D. doing this. I also don't see him beating Quintana by over 1 minute on a MTF and then sitting on Quintana's wheel for the rest of the mountain stages. But that's just how I see it.