BroDeal said:
It is not my fault that you are too stupid to figure out that human advancement is a story of ever increasing energy use. Everything we have today is the result of a massive amount of energy. Try building a highway with only human and animal labor. Try growing the amount of food we produce with an ox driven plow. Our cities were created with an amount of power that was impossible to produce a couple of centuries ago.
Maybe you will be happy living in a mud hut with no running water and scrounging for edible roots, but the rest of the first world likes all the conveniences that come from modern civilization.
...first, when you are engaged with someone in a conversation or a debate its a good idea to actually listen to what the other party is saying...on the one hand it is the polite thing to do and shows you are a gentleman and on the other hand it allows one to develop an effective counter-argument... if you don't do that, you risk the possibility of appearing to be a boorish lout who is incapable of dealing meaningfully with others...and your counter argument has the good possibilty of becoming meaningless...
...second, I have no problem with the way you frame your assertion that the modern world is built to a great extent on the availability of amounts of energy that were not, until recently, available to mankind....and yes it would be stupid to say otherwise...but if you had actually taken the trouble to look at what I wrote, you will find I never said that...and as for the mud hut thing? gawd only knows where that came...
....but the problem with your argument, if you can call it that, is that it is hinged on this idea of ever increasing use of energy....and in a nutshell that is the problem....this planet does not have the resources to maintain that level of energy production by the means it is currently being produced...and to change direction to other means will require a huge infrastructure effort that we can as a society now afford( though barely)...but, and this is the important bit, if we wait any longer we will not have have that luxury...so in the worse case scenario we may in fact be soon living in mud huts...
...my point is that in the present circumstances we can change things so that we can retain the best parts of our present society into the future and not be doomed to live in those dreaded mud huts...which we will be doing if we mess up this very important transition...
...and your approach is, unfortunately worser, its a rocket-sled ride straight into something much more scary than mud huts...
Cheers
blutto