Christian said:
Well... something I've noticed about the French is that they always seem to put an "e" at the end of names...
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Well... something I've noticed about the French is that they always seem to put an "e" at the end of names...
Mrs John Murphy said:
+1
Harmon is head over heels with Xavier Tondo also. Never heard of him but to hear Harmon you'd think he was a living legend.
He's useless and needs sacking, he has multiple agendas, plugging products and people instead of commentating.
RedheadDane said:And it's always funny to hear non-Danish people try to pronounce "Sørensen"
That's because danish people don't know how to pronounce words properly.
El Imbatido said:
Well... the Danish did even when they zoomed in on him after he'd won
... the only case where that is legal is if one of the Efimkin-brothers win something (they're identical twins, right?)Don't know
I couldn't do it, hour after hour, day after day, race after race, year after year. Keep all the skinny little guys straight AND say something useful about what is happening and why. I just wish the dinosaurs like P&P would pack their suitcases of courage and fade away taking Buffoon Day France Roll with them. Give somebody else a chance. Anybody else.
ps. I love Denmark. I love Danes. They sound way cuter than Swedes or Noweigens when they talk.
I couldn't do it, hour after hour, day after day, race after race, year after year. Keep all the skinny little guys straight AND say something useful about what is happening and why. I just wish the dinosaurs like P&P would pack their suitcases of courage and fade away taking Buffoon Day France Roll with them. Give somebody else a chance. Anybody else.
ps. I love Denmark. I love Danes. They sound way cuter than Swedes or Noweigens when they talk.
They aren't all skinny! Have you seen Hushovd... he's like huge!
And, no we don't! We sound perfectly normal when we speak (D'you mean when we speak Danish or when we speak English?)
And, no we don't! We sound perfectly normal when we speak (D'you mean when we speak Danish or when we speak English?)
Harmon has usually been pretty good at recognising riders actually, and Kelly is usually top notch at that when he's being attentive (ie when the attack happens and they're paying attention, not when Harmon's just asked Kelly a question and he's starting a 17-minute reply). This Giro has been quite hard because they've been constantly wearing gilets and rain jackets, which always makes things harder.
He got Petrov wrong, but so did German Eurosport - Caruso was marked as the one in the break in the updates earlier on, and he was able to tell it wasn't Juan Horrach, therefore by process of elimination on the info he had and the knowledge he had, it must have been Caruso. Caruso HAD been in the break but was dropped. Hard to ping him for that.
He got Petrov wrong, but so did German Eurosport - Caruso was marked as the one in the break in the updates earlier on, and he was able to tell it wasn't Juan Horrach, therefore by process of elimination on the info he had and the knowledge he had, it must have been Caruso. Caruso HAD been in the break but was dropped. Hard to ping him for that.
Big fan of Harmon. Think he does the job very well. Kelly knows his stuff, when you get beyond the accent you realise that he knows the riders inside out.
Not a big fan of Kirby, but Backstedt seems to be excellent.
Not a big fan of Kirby, but Backstedt seems to be excellent.
I've missed a lot of coverage the past few days after my computer was attacked and killed, but a couple of things jumped out at me in the ATOC feed. Phil said that Armstrong's 7 stitches were done in the team bus before going to the hospital, which got me wondering about some things.
The big one was Paul Sherwen just said that Lance leaving hasn't hurt the crowds & that the race is bigger than any individual rider. That sounds like a tiny change of course for Versus, possibly with them looking towards's life without Armstrong. A week ago that would have been considered blasphemy.
The big one was Paul Sherwen just said that Lance leaving hasn't hurt the crowds & that the race is bigger than any individual rider. That sounds like a tiny change of course for Versus, possibly with them looking towards's life without Armstrong. A week ago that would have been considered blasphemy.
An example of how poor Harmon is came in a race a few weeks ago. There was a crash on a corner towards the back of the peloton. Harmon was too busy trying to emote that he failed to identify the rider, despite the rider being stood there holding his bike with his number clearly visible. Thankfully, Harmon's co-commentator (not Kelly) obviously had the list of riders in front of him and was able to tell Harmon and the viewers who the rider was.
Harmon is very lazy when it comes to learning about riders, he is lazy when it comes to telling viewers about the race. His anglo-centric approach is patronising to new viewers (assuming that english speakers are all they are interested in), and insults the intelligence of anyone who has even the slightest bit of knowledge about cycling.
I am sure that Harmon was coming up with his usual 'Brave Cadel' nonsense for the squeaky-voiced wheelsucker.
I know that ES is cheap, but they could do better than Harmon and Kirby.
With no ES today, I had the pleasure of watching the Gazzeta feed and it was brilliant to listen to commentators who understood racing and who could call the action, they didn't play favourites, they identified riders - team leaders and domestiques, they picked the riders in trouble and the riders doing the hardwork. No fawning over Basso, or fake emotion over Evans, just calling the race and acting as a second and third pair of eyes for the fans. Harmon and Kirby would do well to listen to them.
Harmon is very lazy when it comes to learning about riders, he is lazy when it comes to telling viewers about the race. His anglo-centric approach is patronising to new viewers (assuming that english speakers are all they are interested in), and insults the intelligence of anyone who has even the slightest bit of knowledge about cycling.
I am sure that Harmon was coming up with his usual 'Brave Cadel' nonsense for the squeaky-voiced wheelsucker.
I know that ES is cheap, but they could do better than Harmon and Kirby.
With no ES today, I had the pleasure of watching the Gazzeta feed and it was brilliant to listen to commentators who understood racing and who could call the action, they didn't play favourites, they identified riders - team leaders and domestiques, they picked the riders in trouble and the riders doing the hardwork. No fawning over Basso, or fake emotion over Evans, just calling the race and acting as a second and third pair of eyes for the fans. Harmon and Kirby would do well to listen to them.
SpartacusRox said:
You know cycling is such a damn boring sport to watch, why not some comedy releif with philpaulroll.
You take this cycling so damned seriously people. It is entertainmen for Js sake.
I like the aussie commentator and the drunken flemish best.
Until about this time last year I'd only experience the Versus crew over about eight years, mostly "in July." Then Universal Sports began covering many of the races Vs didn't, and here in Chicago I get it free OTA as an NBC sub-channel.
The Universal Sports team is Steve Schlanger, a general sports broadcaster who also does at least swimming and ski-jumping as well as cycling, and Todd Gogulski, a former Pro rider. Schlanger calls the race and Gogulski comments and provides background and insights.
They've really grown on me, and do their work well. As I posted here last week, Schlanger does his homework and his pronunciation of foreign names keeps getting better. That he brings a general American Sportscaster style to the race, full of violent competitive metaphors and such, kind of adds to the charm for me--makes watching cycling seem almost normal in an American context, which it isn't. And Gogulski is excellent, evenhanded and shrewd about what's going on.
They really do make P & P seem outclassed. I notice that Phil makes no real effort to pronounce foreign names, of either teams (Leaky Gas?) or riders correctly for the language they originate in. I saw a comment here a few weeks ago that S & G "overpronounce" these foreign names, somewhat like a beginning language student, but so what? Seems like evidence of commitment to me.
I've gone back to using my VCR for the Giro stages, since my DirectTV package includes Vs but not Universal, and so I can't record it on my DVR. The digital feed from a converter box to the VCR and then to the analog TV, produces a pretty decent picture.
The Universal Sports team is Steve Schlanger, a general sports broadcaster who also does at least swimming and ski-jumping as well as cycling, and Todd Gogulski, a former Pro rider. Schlanger calls the race and Gogulski comments and provides background and insights.
They've really grown on me, and do their work well. As I posted here last week, Schlanger does his homework and his pronunciation of foreign names keeps getting better. That he brings a general American Sportscaster style to the race, full of violent competitive metaphors and such, kind of adds to the charm for me--makes watching cycling seem almost normal in an American context, which it isn't. And Gogulski is excellent, evenhanded and shrewd about what's going on.
They really do make P & P seem outclassed. I notice that Phil makes no real effort to pronounce foreign names, of either teams (Leaky Gas?) or riders correctly for the language they originate in. I saw a comment here a few weeks ago that S & G "overpronounce" these foreign names, somewhat like a beginning language student, but so what? Seems like evidence of commitment to me.
I've gone back to using my VCR for the Giro stages, since my DirectTV package includes Vs but not Universal, and so I can't record it on my DVR. The digital feed from a converter box to the VCR and then to the analog TV, produces a pretty decent picture.
djlovesyou said:
Have to agree Carlton Kirby is reallllllly bad but David Harmon went waaay up in my estimation when he got comments from Robert Millar during last year's tour (or was it the year before).
badboyberty said:
I'm with this.
Love listening to it in Italian - they're like cartoon characters...
blblblblblblbl Cuddle Avins blblblblblb Nibble-lee blblblblb BASSOOO!!! blblblblblblbblblblblblb Saastree blblblblb Scar-pony blblblblblbl... Ah Richee Portay..blblblblbl Cuddle Avins blblbl Basso blblb Avins blblblblb Basso... Bassooo... BASSOOO!!!
the telecast shows the times and gaps and I'm still getting the info I need.
sure beats the complete twaddle of liggett n sherwin anyday
The Norwegians whenever a Norwegian wins something pure brilliance!
Here's first Thor Hushovd's stagewin in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9qqXSoANM
And here's Kurt Asle-Arvesen from 2008 (sorry about the bad quality...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAAZhv08jc&feature=related
pure brilliance!Here's first Thor Hushovd's stagewin in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9qqXSoANM
And here's Kurt Asle-Arvesen from 2008 (sorry about the bad quality...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAAZhv08jc&feature=related
RedheadDane said:The Norwegians whenever a Norwegian wins something
Here's first Thor Hushovd's stagewin in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9qqXSoANM
And here's Kurt Asle-Arvesen from 2008 (sorry about the bad quality...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAAZhv08jc&feature=related
Those are absolute class! Great stuff.
Yeah... and you wanna know something... they acted just the same during OL when there was cross country skiing and (as often...) a Norwegian won an event... maybe it's just... a requirement to become Norwegian sports commentator...
Riiiight... I should go... I'm an evil thread-hijacker...
Riiiight... I should go... I'm an evil thread-hijacker...
RedheadDane said:
I remember that
They were seated next to the Belgian commentators, who loved it.
Who was the Dutch commentator who shouted: "Foto finish! Foto finish!" repeatedly when Cav caught Haussler on the line last year at Milan San Remo? It still cracks me up whenever I see it.
Back to Paul Sherwin, the worst thing I find is that tell us stuff that never even happened. I've said once, I will say it a thousand times, Egoi Martinez never rode the Tour de France for Discovery Channel with Lance Armstrong, and yet Sherwin is absolutely convinced that he did, but Martinez didn't. That's where we need Matt Keenen to say: "Cool story bro".
Back to Paul Sherwin, the worst thing I find is that tell us stuff that never even happened. I've said once, I will say it a thousand times, Egoi Martinez never rode the Tour de France for Discovery Channel with Lance Armstrong, and yet Sherwin is absolutely convinced that he did, but Martinez didn't. That's where we need Matt Keenen to say: "Cool story bro".
Who was the Dutch commentator who shouted: "Foto finish! Foto finish!" repeatedly when Cav caught Haussler on the line last year at Milan San Remo? It still cracks me up whenever I see it.
Back to Paul Sherwin, the worst thing I find is that tell us stuff that never even happened. I've said once, I will say it a thousand times, Egoi Martinez never rode the Tour de France for Discovery Channel with Lance Armstrong, and yet Sherwin is absolutely convinced that he did, but Martinez didn't. That's where we need Matt Keenen to say: "Cool story bro".
Back to Paul Sherwin, the worst thing I find is that tell us stuff that never even happened. I've said once, I will say it a thousand times, Egoi Martinez never rode the Tour de France for Discovery Channel with Lance Armstrong, and yet Sherwin is absolutely convinced that he did, but Martinez didn't. That's where we need Matt Keenen to say: "Cool story bro".
It's an easy mistake to make though, since Martínez WAS on Discovery, and Sherwen could be forgiven for not realising that Discovery rode races other than the Tour. Even when Savoldelli won the Giro...
Well when Martínez signed for Discovery, Armstrong had been retired for a few months. I do remember Martínez riding in the 2005 Tour (he was in the break on the same stage that Boonen abandoned on IIRC), but he was riding for Euskaltel.
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