Esteban Chaves Discussion Thread

[DNP-Old]

Re: Re:

When Chaves was as old as Yates is now, he was still fighting for his career after it had nearly abruptly ended in the Trofeo Laigueglia of 2013(!) and 9 out of 10 doctors failed him. But that doesn't fit your agenda me thinks. Or, who knows, maybe you just forgot to mention it.

It was a great come back up to 2016, but he hasn't shown any signs of taking the final tiny step in to the top tier since then. Not sure if it's because he looks younger than he is, or the general assumption that Colombians are climbing superstars, but I don't get the general assumption that Chaves is and always will be better than Orica's other GC men.

What chances has he had since? His whole 2017 season pretty much went up in flames due to a knee tendonitis.

 

[yaco]

The irony of having two leaders bit MS today - Have one leader and there is an extra three riders who drop back to bring Chaves back to the peleton -
Especially, seeing they got back to about a minute - Anyway Chaves will need to find out why he's had a bad day if he wants to continue being a leader at GT's.

 

[Escarabajo]

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The irony of having two leaders bit MS today - Have one leader and there is an extra three riders who drop back to bring Chaves back to the peleton -
Especially, seeing they got back to about a minute - Anyway Chaves will need to find out why he's had a bad day if he wants to continue being a leader at GT's.

This!

 

[May0maniac]

Like I said, before the Giro I've never seen him with such a bloated face:

So it wouldn't surprise me if allergies (or something like that) were already bothering him a bit before that and that the combination of that + sore throat was actually too much for him.

 

[Netserk]

It's not a case of the bloat face that Santambrogio suffered?

 

[silvergrenade]

Cycling is sometimes such a cruel sport.
I really feel for Chaves. One of the strongest 2 days ago.
Today had nothing.
Hope he comes back to the Vuelta and wins it.

 

[hfer07]

damn it!! that swollen face ain't normal one bit


....at first glance I thought it was a picture of Carlos Betancur

 

[May0maniac]

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It's not a case of the bloat face that Santambrogio suffered?

Honestly, that was also one of the first things that crossed my mind,there are a few other guys who also have Santa cheeks, but he never had them before when he was at his best, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually just allergies.

 

[Angliru]

Often times I've seen riders have bad days with no warning or prior indication of illness only to fall sick that following night and wake up ill that next morning. Also, as has already been mentioned, is the after-the-rest-day-blues. That is a fairly common occurrence. Maybe he actually rested with little time spent on his bike keeping his legs loose. He's young yet and will have many opportunities in the future. I hope he's riding the Vuelta.

 

[ice&fire]

A two-minute toilet break is less devastating and much funnier

 

[Popchu]

https://twitter.com/SenalDeportes/status/996413628512374785

What is Betancur saying about Chaves?

 

[DNP-Old]

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https://twitter.com/SenalDeportes/status/996413628512374785

What is Betancur saying about Chaves?

They saw that he was suffering and that they pulled to eliminate him. Esteban gave them a chance to do so and they made him pay, thus why it was such a demanding stage.

 

[Yingge]

Chaves loss of time reminded me of the TdF stage back in 2009 (Stage 17) when Cadel Evans lost 29 minutes (he was already about 5 min down) to the Schleck's and Contador for no apparent reason (I suspect his brain had told him on the rest day that 2009 was not his to win and he maybe just gave up). Who knows, Chaves might just bounce back at Innsbruck in September.

 

[yaco]

Reckon for some reason he just had bad legs at the start - Usually when a rider is ill they get dropped uphill or when the pace increases - After the first climb he was fine.

 

[Salvarani]

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Reckon for some reason he just had bad legs at the start - Usually when a rider is ill they get dropped uphill or when the pace increases - After the first climb he was fine.

Yup, most likely just this. Unfortunate for Chaves.

 

[Scarponi]

Re:

Chaves loss of time reminded me of the TdF stage back in 2009 (Stage 17) when Cadel Evans lost 29 minutes (he was already about 5 min down) to the Schleck's and Contador for no apparent reason (I suspect his brain had told him on the rest day that 2009 was not his to win and he maybe just gave up). Who knows, Chaves might just bounce back at Innsbruck in September.

I thought he crashed

 

[Cookster15]

Re: Re:

Chaves loss of time reminded me of the TdF stage back in 2009 (Stage 17) when Cadel Evans lost 29 minutes (he was already about 5 min down) to the Schleck's and Contador for no apparent reason (I suspect his brain had told him on the rest day that 2009 was not his to win and he maybe just gave up). Who knows, Chaves might just bounce back at Innsbruck in September.

I thought he crashed

Evans crashed in TdF 2008 and 2010. In 2009 TdF word is he just had bad form. But I don't think anyone could say Chaves had bad form this Giro with what we saw before stage 10.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I remember when Gesink was still a GC rider (seems like eons ago), he also had difficulty when they started the stage straight with a big climb. He'd do specific preperation on the rollers before the stage to avoid getting dropped like a stone. JvdB also had such a problem.
But those guys were both diesels.

Chaves is explosive, so maybe he just had some sort of post restday syndrome

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Chaves loss of time reminded me of the TdF stage back in 2009 (Stage 17) when Cadel Evans lost 29 minutes (he was already about 5 min down) to the Schleck's and Contador for no apparent reason (I suspect his brain had told him on the rest day that 2009 was not his to win and he maybe just gave up). Who knows, Chaves might just bounce back at Innsbruck in September.

I thought he crashed

Evans crashed in TdF 2008 and 2010. In 2009 TdF word is he just had bad form. But I don't think anyone could say Chaves had bad form this Giro with what we saw before stage 10.

Sounds like hay fever didn't help. Rest day syndrome probably contributed. It always gets one of the GC riders at least.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Like I said, before the Giro I've never seen him with such a bloated face:

So it wouldn't surprise me if allergies (or something like that) were already bothering him a bit before that and that the combination of that + sore throat was actually too much for him.

That really looks bloated face. Last year I noticed something during the Tour de France and I thought he was over weight and someone in this forum got very upset at me. But probably he is having some serious issues with allergies. It should not have been a factor during the Tour because it was the middle of the summer but you never know.

 

[Escarabajo]

Last in the stage. He looks sick. Maybe time to retire. I don't see how He can be of any help like this to Yates.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

At first I thought he was saving power for Zonc the previous stages (after the blow), but now I think something is clearly wrong here.

 

[yaco]

There is a silver lining in every cloud - Makes it more likely that MS could retain Yates x 2 with Chaves' issues - You can't have him as a GC leader after his erratic form in the last 12 months

 

[movingtarget]

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There is a silver lining in every cloud - Makes it more likely that MS could retain Yates x 2 with Chaves' issues - You can't have him as a GC leader after his erratic form in the last 12 months

Maybe another go at the Vuelta, If he is sick there is not much that can be done.

 

[Escarabajo]

Anybody has some details of what his health problems are?