European Championship 2025: Men’s ITT, October 1

[Netserk]

You must have a big problem with athletics, swimming, rowing, cross-country skiing and biathlon.

Maybe formula 1 could be your thing?

You can argue that in addition to a real ITT, they should also have a prologue championship on a 4 km route. But I hope even an athletics enjoyer would frown if that was the sole distance here.

 

[tobydawq]

Strange response to my post. I have enjoyed cycling since as ever my memory goes back and I'll not let it slip.
I can't help it that some organizers and organizations - once in a while - are making a mess of things.
Your argument is skewed and imprecise. It's like a cuckoo landing in an owl's nest, insisting that it owns it and tell the owls to abandon.

I just thought the 50km limit was extremely arbitrary. And you said distances below that couldn't be used to crown a champion, which all the sports I mention do.

I too would like it if the distance was longer but you acted as if it was something new and particularly lamentable this year, which it isn't.

You could also argue that since they never use such distances (plus 50) in races across the season, it would be artificial if it was the case in the world and continental championships (but you could probably call those events artifical anyway given that there are no stand-alone time trials apart from those and the Chrono des Nations).

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Honestly, there are quite a few people who think the 50 k in Cross-country skiing is most important. I also mourn the loss of the 50k race walk, especially because I doubt the 35k replacement has any large upside for viewers. It‘s still 2:30 long.

OK so off-topic, but I dropped watching the 50k cross-country discipline when it converted to an arm pole mass start. If it was to spice things up, it had the exact opposite effect.

 

[AmRacer]

Honestly, there are quite a few people who think the 50 k in Cross-country skiing is most important. I also mourn the loss of the 50k race walk, especially because I doubt the 35k replacement has any large upside for viewers. It‘s still 2:30 long.

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[veganrob]

Is 24km the kiddie distance? How weak.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Is there any way to follow the U23 races?

 

[SafeBet]

Is there any way to follow the U23 races?

Go on Twitter and hope somebody post the results at some point.
BTW both U23 ITTs are done (Mouris and Venturelli won).

 

[pastronef]

Ireland gets silver in the Men Junior TT and bronze in the Men U23 TT

 

[Cycling111]

Taking the U23 men's time trial as a reference, the speed isn't too high. It's not as flat a time trial as expected.

 

[Red Rick]

Average speeds are super slow for a TT this flat. Must be some strong headwind.

 

[Cycling111]

Average speeds are super slow for a TT this flat. Must be some strong headwind.

Perhaps we've also underestimated the final climb. At the start, there also seems to be some gradient.

Schwarzbacher seems to have a very similar profile to Ganna. The time trials that the young Slovakian has won this year have been very flat and very fast, over 50 kilometers per hour.
Today he finished twelfth. He may have had a mediocre day, but the time trials he's won have been over 50 kilometers per hour and today he did at 45. The winner didn't even reach 48.

Remco is a clear favorite with this average. Ganna needs the time trial to be very flat and fast. I think Tarling needs it even more.

It wouldn't be surprising if either of them were out off the podium.

 

[broppo]

Is strong headwind bad for remco? I hear the commentators say it is beneficial for the heavier riders, but the heavier riders are also bigger so they catch more wind. It seems counterintuitive to me.

 

[Red Rick]

Is strong headwind bad for remco? I hear the commentators say it is beneficial for the heavier riders, but the heavier riders are also bigger so they catch more wind. It seems counterintuitive to me.

Commentators aren't known to be experts in computational fluid dynamics.

Normally you're right but it gets very complex quickly depending on sideways profile and direction as well as shape and turbulence you create.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Is strong headwind bad for remco? I hear the commentators say it is beneficial for the heavier riders, but the heavier riders are also bigger so they catch more wind. It seems counterintuitive to me.

It’s assumed on this forum that headwind is a big advantage for Remco because he is so aero.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Is 24km the kiddie distance? How weak.

Average ECC ITT.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Average ECC ITT.

Average ECC kiddies ITT.

 

[Red Rick]

Very nice they show the ludicrous advantage of catching your minute man so blatantly on screen in the women's ITT

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Perhaps we've also underestimated the final climb. At the start, there also seems to be some gradient.

Schwarzbacher seems to have a very similar profile to Ganna. The time trials that the young Slovakian has won this year have been very flat and very fast, over 50 kilometers per hour.
Today he finished twelfth. He may have had a mediocre day, but the time trials he's won have been over 50 kilometers per hour and today he did at 45. The winner didn't even reach 48.

Remco is a clear favorite with this average. Ganna needs the time trial to be very flat and fast. I think Tarling needs it even more.

It wouldn't be surprising if either of them were out off the podium.

The average speeds for the whole time trial for the women are generally less than 2kph lower than those from the start to T3 (at the bottom of the climb). So that would suggest a sub-50kph average in the flat section for every single male U23. That doesn't happen without a headwind.

That being said, a headwind is also good for Evenepoel , given his low CdA.

Oh, and Schwarzbacher is mainly good at short TTs, not necessarily flat ones - he was second at the West Bohemia uphill prologue, and that had a winning speed of 32kph.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Very nice they show the ludicrous advantage of catching your minute man so blatantly on screen in the women's ITT

For the ME ITT, i assume whoever gets close enough to catch his minute man of the final 15 riders, is going to be a contender regardless of the draft. But draft in a headwind is advantage squared. Let's just hope nobody is on a bad day giving a free advantage to whoever catches him.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

With a course this short and 1 minute between, a splitscreen broadcast would be much appreciated. One for starters, one for riders on the course.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Almeida DNS?

 

[Heston]

Distance is a little short but I like seeing a flat TT championship rather than the mountain stage at the World Championship.

The field is as good as it can be.

 

[Penninepeddler]

Not too often you see a high-level TT with EVERYONE on the course at the same time...

guess will just about happen and Evenepoel will start before Ilic finishes.

 

[AlpRaid]

Too bad not to have the real rematch everyone wanted: Armirail vs. Van Wilder.

 

[RedheadDane]

Pedersen dropping the double-disk wheels.

Alternatively, he could have just... flown straight to Münsterland.