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I guess we are off topic but fwiw I already tried telling kokorin that Quintana is not idiot on tactics otherwise he would not have won that many races.
Additionally this is getting annoying that everything that happens in Movistar is Quintana's fault. Valverde has been riding with Movistar way longer than the other two and he has had his failures as well.
BTW, nice race. The strongest won and well deservingly.
DFA123 said:The point is that there seems to be an implication that Quintana did nothing (not by you, as you clearly state ), that he was just gifted a victory by Contador (and now Valverde as well ). Which is nonsense. Quintana was a key part of the move as well, and, as you say, he played the tactics absolutely perfectly in the last 30km to maximize his advantage.Blanco said:DFA123 said:I'm not really sure what you mean here. Aren't they examples of what good tactics are? Responding to race situations by making decisions which maxmize your chances of winning?Koronin said:In fairness to those two GT wins, the Giro he attacked when the race was neutralized and at la Vuelta if Contador doesn't go through the plan he can Valverde came up with before the stage Quintana doesn't win that one.
Also I think the role of Contador, and especially Valverde, is very much overplayed in that Formigal stage. It was Quintana who was the one being marked by Sky and the one which managed to get away. And the one who rode the entire last 20km on the front, riding everyone except Brambilla off his wheel on shallow gradients. It was a supreme tactical and physical triumph by Quintana, and it's strange to me how often people try to downplay his role in it.
Contador's role is not overplayed at all. He made that break. Without him, Quintana goes nowhere. And he didn't decide anything, he was put there by his team, then Valverde let the gap open and that was it, the break formed. Of course he rode like a true champion later, nothing to downplay there, but I don't think he made any tactical decision while break was forming.
I get that Quintana is unpopular around these parts. But some trying to claim he is some tactical dunce, by completing denying his role in his tactical triumphs is ridiculous.
I guess we are off topic but fwiw I already tried telling kokorin that Quintana is not idiot on tactics otherwise he would not have won that many races.
Additionally this is getting annoying that everything that happens in Movistar is Quintana's fault. Valverde has been riding with Movistar way longer than the other two and he has had his failures as well.
BTW, nice race. The strongest won and well deservingly.