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I would like to think Caded Cuddles Evans is riding clean. What gives me a little hope that this could or use to be true was when Team Telekom left him out of the tour side. Cadel was in good form and a damn good rider. Why would they do this. They said it had something to do with him potentially breaking his collar bone on the cobbles. Lame excuse. Not even Cadel knew why.

The only explanation I can think of was that at the time Cadel wasn't a doper and they couldn't take the chance of having a non-doper on a Tour Team where all other riders were all doped to the max.
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It's been a few pages, but I thought this deserved to be answered.

Evans was left out at the request of Ullrich. Ullrich, a guy who by all accounts is easy going and gets along well with everyone, specifically asked for Evans to be left out because he didn't get along with anyone on the squad.
 
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It's been a few pages, but I thought this deserved to be answered.

Evans was left out at the request of Ullrich. Ullrich, a guy who by all accounts is easy going and gets along well with everyone, specifically asked for Evans to be left out because he didn't get along with anyone on the squad.
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Thanks for that piece of info Isso... Does indeed sound like the old Cuddles to me. I couldn't stand the guy until recently - mainly his 08 Tour statements where he first was going on about himself winning because of the TT coming up and then throwing a fit like a baby because Sastre didn't lie down.

Since then I have grown to like him with his change in attitude - done some good for his racing as well!

Also it doesn't sound to me like Telekom was the team to throw people off for not doping. In all it sounds like they were a team where the riders chose to dope because those were generally the conditions - if somebody rode clean that wouldn't have been a point of contention internally.
 
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What is it with you Guys ? Goss wins today and Aussies are all Dopers ?

Evans is an awkward so and so so he must be a Doper ?

Fact is there are some Racers who do not DOPE !

Because you all want to point the finger , ALL racers are dopers BUT if you make a mistake your excuse is "BUT THIS IS ONLY A FORUM"! Excuse us but we didn't mean any harm !

Remember reading on a forum that one commenter thought a particular racer should spend more time on the internet finding out what people thought of him . Could he care less ? YOU bet he gives a fl... whatever ?

Christian VDV has an opinion on someone then gets criticised for being on some teams and CE gets critisized for being on other teams .

Fact is some of the Racers give team management the benefit of the doubt when they join the team , others consider the salary package and no doubt express their point of view before joining the team .

ANYWAY Goss won today and some clown hadn't realised that there were a couple of Aussie World Champs and a few Classics winners in past years .

THAT WAS GOOD FOR THE LAUGH OF THE DAY !!
 
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What is it with you Guys ? Goss wins today and Aussies are all Dopers ?

Evans is an awkward so and so so he must be a Doper ?

Fact is there are some Racers who do not DOPE !

Because you all want to point the finger , ALL racers are dopers BUT if you make a mistake your excuse is "BUT THIS IS ONLY A FORUM"! Excuse us but we didn't mean any harm !

Remember reading on a forum that one commenter thought a particular racer should spend more time on the internet finding out what people thought of him . Could he care less ? YOU bet he gives a fl... whatever ?

Christian VDV has an opinion on someone then gets criticised for being on some teams and CE gets critisized for being on other teams .

Fact is some of the Racers give team management the benefit of the doubt when they join the team , others consider the salary package and no doubt express their point of view before joining the team .

ANYWAY Goss won today and some clown hadn't realised that there were a couple of Aussie World Champs and a few Classics winners in past years .

THAT WAS GOOD FOR THE LAUGH OF THE DAY !!
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That question should be directed at yourself - kind of difficult to mention Goss's win when the last post before yours was posted before the race ended.

Certainly there are "racers who do not dope', but sadly there are also many who do - but the vast majority here do not believe that "all racers are dopers".
 
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issoisso said:
It's been a few pages, but I thought this deserved to be answered.

Evans was left out at the request of Ullrich. Ullrich, a guy who by all accounts is easy going and gets along well with everyone, specifically asked for Evans to be left out because he didn't get along with anyone on the squad.
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Just to further this point, Alan Peiper said in his book that whilst he really wanted to help Cadel in his time with Lotto, he was notoriously difficult to get along with. Odd as two left shoes apparently, and such was his behaviour to other riders on the team, that Peiper was very worried for the guy. So it was a relief that McEwen and someone else who I forget, took him under their wing and just put up with his moods and his rantings.
By the way there was a time I wanted to believe in Cadel. However, in my opinion, there is no way he could have competed in the Tours he did, and come in the positions he did, without the aid of blood vector doping like the rest. The advantages of doping are so great, I cannot understand how he could be that close to dopers, and in many cases, actually beat them.
 
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Just to further this point, Alan Peiper said in his book that whilst he really wanted to help Cadel in his time with Lotto, he was notoriously difficult to get along with. Odd as two left shoes apparently, and such was his behaviour to other riders on the team, that Peiper was very worried for the guy. So it was a relief that McEwen and someone else who I forget, took him under their wing and just put up with his moods and his rantings.
By the way there was a time I wanted to believe in Cadel. However, in my opinion, there is no way he could have competed in the Tours he did, and come in the positions he did, without the aid of blood vector doping like the rest. The advantages of doping are so great, I cannot understand how he could be that close to dopers, and in many cases, actually beat them.
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I think it was Nick Gates who took him under his wing, I remember Peiper relating a story about all the Lotto Aussie guys being in a car together after the Oz Championships and Evans was freaking out because a window was down and Gates basically told him to STFU because it was over 30 outside. Peiper reckoned Evans needed someone like Gates around to TRY and calm him down.
 
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Nah you're wrong, the other two tours are 2nd place he wants the big podium step. Unless you can "buy" a team you cannot just place yourself on a team, Jan did it by being german, Lance by being American. There has been no big Australian sponser to fund an Aussie "hero".
He can make the leap from 2nd place in the only tour that gets you remembered in a non cycling country like Australia, or in the world outside cycling for that matter. And i reckon that is a big leap from 2nd to 1st in the TDF.
He has not got many shots left but he will do it, the peloton is getting cleaner & he has a good team, maybe not great but good. Most tour winners need a bit of luck in the 3 weeks.
He has the determination, experience (he's been winning world class races for 20 years) & he has a good enough team. A couple of good rolls of the dice & he will be standing on the top step in Paris.
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dont delude yourself that Cadel is clean. Very least, he does "recovery therapy" to manage his physiological parameters and to keep his hormones up, with exogenous adrogens. You dont get that increase in size on the jaw, and a waxy skin, just via disciplined diet and a pure life. He is going on 35. Before major, material, beneficial PEDs entered sport, 3 decades ago, everyone was on a downward curve in their late 20's. No way can you be competitive into mid 30's without some help, see Dara Torres for instances.

You must be one of those antipodeans from Aus, who think they do not dope. Hah!
 
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Evans a client of in Ferrari?

http://translate.google.com/transla...11/11/michele-ferrari-een-mysterieuze-magier/

The book addresses the sports doctor is now well filled with cyclists. He also has ties to most of the peloton, especially with the top. Thus, current Tour winner Cadel Evans of the mountain bike stage racing to put on the road after having consulted Michele Ferrari. Ferrari tested extensively Evans in 2000. The Italian felt his chance on the road. rightly turned out .
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There must be some kind of mistake.

The good doctor supposedly had an exclusive relationship with another rider during that time frame.
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Imagine Armstrong paid for exclusive and Ferarri was 'training' others at the same time, excellent.:D
 
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Polish said:
There must be some kind of mistake.

The good doctor supposedly had an exclusive relationship with another rider during that time frame.
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Polish, there is a distinct difference between "advice" and "prepare".

According to "Lance Armstrong's War" the exclusive arrangement between Dr Evil and Wonderboy was that the bad doctor was not to prepare other GC contenders.

In 2000 Evans was not a TdF GC contender. He switched from MTB to road that year as a result of receiving advice from the bad doctor as arranged by his manager, Tony Rominger. Which suggests Ferrari only tested his capacities to determine if he had comparative road cycling potential.
 
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Polish, there is a distinct difference between "advice" and "prepare".

According to "Lance Armstrong's War" the exclusive arrangement between Dr Evil and Wonderboy was that the bad doctor was not to prepare other GC contenders.

In 2000 Evans was not a TdF GC contender. He switched from MTB to road that year as a result of receiving advice from the bad doctor as arranged by his manager, Tony Rominger. Which suggests Ferrari only tested his capacities to determine if he had comparative road cycling potential.
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It's tragic. So hard to find a sports doc to let you do a reliable ergotrainer test. Especially hard to determin if you'll be any good on a road bike when you're busy pretty much ruling the MTB scene.
Of course, there's only one doctor qualified to approve for a world class MTB'er to make it to Road.
 
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yes he dopes, obviously. so what? i have no problem with that, i have a problem with ACF and others like him that are saying otherwise.
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IIRC ACF is quite open to the idea that Cadel dopes. And if you think ACF is bad, go read any articles on Cadel by Australian cycling journalist Rob Arnold, it's enough to make one puke due how cringeworthy it is.
 
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If Evans is clean then he is the dumbest mofo in the peloton. If he can compete clean, a boost of a few percent would turn him into a legend.
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The Drs. Fuentes and Ferrari wholeheartedly endorse your comment ;-)

If Evans has in fact competed clean, he's made millions regardless - enough to set himself up for life without having to always wonder when he'll be rumbled.

Sounds sensible in the long term even if it meant having to read claptrap about 'choking' from the peanut gallery in the short term.
 
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He needs a better doctor?

Evans is someone who would have greatly benefited from choosing attainable goals and peaking for them. He had his shot at the Tour in 2007 and 2008. It won't come again. He could have won the 2008 TdF if he had chosen a better team. Evans has George Hincapie syndrome. He is unable and unwilling to place himself on a team that can help him win.

He could have won the Giro last year if he had quietly built his form during the Spring instead of tiring himself out.

I think it is ridiculous that Menchov has a Giro win and one (and half) Vuelta wins while Evans has zero GTs. The guy is obviously doin' it wrong.
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dont you like going back and reading laughable posts from armchair experts
 
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At 34 i would've thought the body would be dis-improving but

"Two more tours, two more good tours at least," said Evans, according to The Australian, adding that his BMC team was keeping tabs on how his body is ageing.

"I keep improving and I am not showing signs of ageing in a physical way," he explained.
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I wonder with what 'magic' he is managing to that with...:rolleyes:
 
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