Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Rogla's crash in stage 1 was already too much, IMO, judging from his comments after. His stage 3 crash was almost certainly worse. Not sure if he can hold off Poga tomorrow - who seems to be flying.

I suspect Roglic' climbing to be more severely affected, though. Stages 8 & 9 will be very telling, indeed. I also expect stage 7 to be GC-relevant (and dangerous).

 

[Pinot's goat]

I see my Carapaz > Roglic is an unpopular opinion, I hope Roglic is fully fit so we can get and idea who's right otherwise I hope Roglic does La Vuelta as Carapaz is down to do that as well.

 

[Pantani_lives]

When is the last time a rider as banged up as Primoz is won the Tour? It doesn't happen.

I can only remember Bernard Hinault in 1985. He had a heavy crash in stage 14, when he was already 5'23" ahead of his teammate LeMond. He won the Tour by 1'42".

 

[CyclistAbi]

The problem for me is the line was crossed and i don't consider this race to be safe or regular anymore. Reading the response from the officials just made things even worse. Where to go from here as Roglič decided to persevere. I don't know. For now i guess:

*** Tour go Rogla. As for the rest lets just hope it won't end with body bags. If it will it is our fault too.

 

[topt]

I see my Carapaz > Roglic is an unpopular opinion, I hope Roglic is fully fit so we can get and idea who's right otherwise I hope Roglic does La Vuelta as Carapaz is down to do that as well.

by unpopular you mean you are the only one in this forum, you can add Dumo to that that one is even more of a shocker

 

[IndurainsTdF1994]

Another tennis example is Ivan Lendl. Pretty sure a lot of people would consider him one of the all time greats, even though he never won Wimbledon.

Ivanisevic, though he only ever won a single GS, but it was the important one.

 

[Netserk]

I see my Carapaz > Roglic is an unpopular opinion, I hope Roglic is fully fit so we can get and idea who's right otherwise I hope Roglic does La Vuelta as Carapaz is down to do that as well.

I see my Evans > Contador is an unpopular [read: wrong] opinion, [...].

 

[BigCoward]

I don't think Carapaz would be 2nd.

But do you think without crashes, on a normal/average GT route PR puts 5 mins into RC and if so how? Because he never has put anything like that into him when racing each other for GC, so what are you arguing here?

 

[Lequack]

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[Netserk]

I think Lotto sometimes use thicker bib shorts for better protection, it seems like a no-brainer that GC riders should wear that in flat stages.

 

[Lequack]

I agree with the thicker shorts. Maybe not thicker but some stronger material that is more tear resistant as well. Especially on the parts that usually get the brunt of the impacts like the side of the hips of shoulders.

 

[limak_]

I don't know, but this Primož guy apparently has a weird fetish of showing his butt off in a public, during a race... I mean, it's not the first time I see him doing it.

 

[Red Rick]

But do you think without crashes, on a normal/average GT route PR puts 5 mins into RC and if so how? Because he never has put anything like that into him when racing each other for GC, so what are you arguing here?

2 minutes in the ITTs. 2 minutes in mountains. 1 minute in hills and bonis. Landa finished 5 minutes down on Roglic in the Tour yesterday and that was with one time trial.

 

[topt]

I agree with the thicker shorts. Maybe not thicker but some stronger material that is more tear resistant as well. Especially on the parts that usually get the brunt of the impacts like the side of the hips of shoulders.

bibs like that exist, I have one of them, dont understand why pros dont use them at least on stages like that, its not even thicker fiber just much more abrasion resistant, the fabric is called dyneema

 

[BigCoward]

2 minutes in the ITTs. 2 minutes in mountains. 1 minute in hills and bonis. Landa finished 5 minutes down on Roglic in the Tour yesterday and that was with one time trial.

And yet he never has done that despite having 2 chances to have done so, funny that.

 

[Netserk]

And yet he never has done that despite having 2 chances to have done so, funny that.

What was the GC difference in the Tour last year? Never!

 

[BigCoward]

What was the GC difference in the Tour last year? Never!

Post at 11:21 clearly states we are discussing when they are both actually competing for GC, do try to keep up.

 

[Big Doopie]

Rog has admirable mental toughness and ability to handle setbacks. Quite an example for all!!

 

[cen]

I think this topic title change was bad karma.

 

[Blanco]

Roglic only beat 39 year old Valverde by 2 and a bit minutes, no way he is 5 mins better than Carapaz. He maybe better but that is just crazy talk.

And Valverde only beat around 150 other riders, including Quintana, Lopez and Pogacar (who will 10 months later win Tour de France)...
What's the point?

 

[BigCoward]

And Valverde only beat around 150 other riders, including Quintana, Lopez and Pogacar (who will 10 months later win Tour de France)...
What's the point?

That valverde was never a top tier GC rider in his prime, he certainly isn't comparable at 39 to Carapaz now.

 

[jmdirt]

I think Lotto sometimes use thicker bib shorts for better protection, it seems like a no-brainer that GC riders should wear that in flat stages.

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[Blanco]

That valverde was never a top tier GC rider in his prime, he certainly isn't comparable at 39 to Carapaz now.

Valverde won same amount of GT's, has 7 podiums, and 10 top-10 placings more than Carapaz.
Again, what's the point?

 

[BigCoward]

Valverde won same amount of GT's, has 7 podiums, and 10 top-10 placings more than Carapaz.
Again, what's the point?

That he is good but not great at GT, has a single vuelta to show for his career. Whereas Carapaz has a Giro and the chance of more GTs, is in his prime, is far better than Valverde. Roglic only put 2 and a bit minutes into Valverde so why would anyone think he could put 5 into Carapaz?

 

[Blanco]

That he is good but not great at GT, has a single vuelta to show for his career. Whereas Carapaz has a Giro and the chance of more GTs, is in his prime, is far better than Valverde. Roglic only put 2 and a bit minutes into Valverde so why would anyone think he could put 5 into Carapaz?

First, Carapaz is maybe going to be far better (but I really doubt it), but for now he unfortunately isn't.
Second, every Grand Tour is a different story, riders are rarely at the same level in different races. Roglic was more dominant in 2019 Vuelta, but he was way fresher for that race than in 2020. Maybe that's the reason.