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Re: The official Primož Roglič is the new Landa thread

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Will be very dificult for him, specially without a strong team, but if he survives the next two days and finally takes the Overall, it can be a key step forward in his development and a huge mental boost for the future.
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It will be a huge mental boost for the future, but I think this race shows a key step forward in his development regardless if he wins the race or not. Of course I want him to win and I think he'll hold on but what he has already shown here is huge IMO. To be the best climber in the first two stages (sure short climbs) and then dominate a flat time trial, this is big. He usually struggles on completely flat ITT courses. He, like Dumoulin, thrives on hilly courses. I haven't seen many guys doing what he did in Pais Vasco so far and I follow cycling since mid 90's. Let's see how is he going to respond in the next 2 stages with a target on his back.
 
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Re: The official Primož Roglič is the new Landa thread

johnymax said:
pablohidalgo7 said:
Will be very dificult for him, specially without a strong team, but if he survives the next two days and finally takes the Overall, it can be a key step forward in his development and a huge mental boost for the future.
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It will be a huge mental boost for the future, but I think this race shows a key step forward in his development regardless if he wins the race or not. Of course I want him to win and I think he'll hold on but what he has already shown here is huge IMO. To be the best climber in the first two stages (sure short climbs) and then dominate a flat time trial, this is big. He usually struggles on completely flat ITT courses. He, like Dumoulin, thrives on hilly courses. I haven't seen many guys doing what he did in Pais Vasco so far and I follow cycling since mid 90's. Let's see how is he going to respond in the next 2 stages with a target on his back.
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For sure, he has been outstanding in this race even if he loses the race today or tomorrow.

Specially with his climbing. A fun fact, is that now he is considered a specialist in "steep walls", were last year he was considered better in regular climbs due to his TT ability (and also perhaps for his poor performace in Arrate). He is that *** good, that people has a huge problem Trying to classify him as a rider :lol: .
I expect anything from him, he is just a monster.
 
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In Tirreno he was a monster on the murito while blowing everywhere else, but it's definitely a thing now that he's very good at short climbs and for Roglic I think it's more about the duration than anything else but on climbs of 10 minutes at 7% there's typically no gaps at all.

I honestly think this is a bit similar to Cadel Evans, except that Roglic is a stronger TT'er and a worse climber.
 
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Netserk said:
Just looked it up, and it was actually an uphill crash (when the ticker says 8.0km to go) from touching wheels with the rider in front of him :p
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Yep, he crashed... bike handling seems to be his only problem for now... what worries me is that there will be a huge cobbled stage in the Tour... not to mention the TTT... not a perfect first week for him by any standards. And he would prefer more ITTs. But as long as he is as good in the mountains as he appeares to be, he should be fine.
 
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bajbar said:
Netserk said:
Just looked it up, and it was actually an uphill crash (when the ticker says 8.0km to go) from touching wheels with the rider in front of him :p
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Yep, he crashed... bike handling seems to be his only problem for now... what worries me is that there will be a huge cobbled stage in the Tour... not to mention the TTT... not a perfect first week for him by any standards. And he would prefer more ITTs. But as long as he is as good in the mountains as he appeares to be, he should be fine.
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I still don't think this performance (however strong it is) shows anything for the Tour. You may be right and he'll pull out some great performances, but there's no evidence for it just yet.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
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He looked fine on Sassotetto until his mechanical.
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Ooowh. Didn't know about a mechanical.

Anyway, he's going to the Tour for GC I think?
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No he said that he's going for stages and to get experience and to help Kruijswijk (I think it was?).
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Okay.

Seems like a reasonable choice, though I imagine they'll want to test the GT perspective for him sooner rather than later.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
Red Rick said:
Netserk said:
He looked fine on Sassotetto until his mechanical.
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Ooowh. Didn't know about a mechanical.

Anyway, he's going to the Tour for GC I think?
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No he said that he's going for stages and to get experience and to help Kruijswijk (I think it was?).
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I would hope they don’t send him just as Kruijswijk’s domestique. He could do something special there as a co-leader, especially with what looks like being a pretty open field this year.

With Roglic and Dumoulin, we finally have a couple of GC riders who, on paper at least, can compete with Froome in a TT as well as in the mountains. It’d be a real shame if all 3 of them ended up not contesting the Tour GC this year.
 
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Leinster said:
Hugo Koblet said:
Red Rick said:
Netserk said:
He looked fine on Sassotetto until his mechanical.
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Ooowh. Didn't know about a mechanical.

Anyway, he's going to the Tour for GC I think?
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No he said that he's going for stages and to get experience and to help Kruijswijk (I think it was?).
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I would hope they don’t send him just as Kruijswijk’s domestique. He could do something special there as a co-leader, especially with what looks like being a pretty open field this year.

With Roglic and Dumoulin, we finally have a couple of GC riders who, on paper at least, can compete with Froome in a TT as well as in the mountains. It’d be a real shame if all 3 of them ended up not contesting the Tour GC this year.
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Yeah I hope so as well. And I can imagine him giving the GC a shot if he's well placed after a the first few tests. But with his statements in mind I don't think he'll ride to protect a somewhat anonymous GC placing but instead go for stages, which I can fully back.
 
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Great, great win for Roglic! Major step up. Just a tiny bit better climbing and he'll be a force in every week long stage race. GT's are next :D
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I really don't know that, but he sure is one of the absolute best one week stage racers already. I would like him to give TDF a shot to test himself out and go for a top-10 and a stage win, but for some reason Im not sold on him being a great GT-rider.
 
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Don't look at his performance in Arrate if you want to rate his climbing ability. The crash has affected his performance more than you think. Yesterday he went to take a look at this years' TdF ITT parcours and he couldn't stay on his bike because of the pain. Instead he's seen the route from the car. He likes it and his goal is to win the stage. He also says it's not realistic for him to compete for the Tour victory this year but he wants to keep improving and win more one week stage races. More on the following link in Spanish.

What do you think about the decision from him and his team to skip the Ardennes classics? I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I like him to fully recover from the crash and rest before aiming to take another win in Tour de Romandie. He is going to be hard to beat there. On the other hand it'd be a pity not to capitalise this kind of form he's shown to have. I think he'd be among the favourites or at least a dark horse for the win in both FW and LBL. It shows that stage races are the primarily objective for now and they stick to the plan.
 
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I actually think the route today suited him pretty well. He likes technical courses with lots of ups and downs, twisty with a lot of accelerations. I think he lost the victory in the first part. He didn't take ideally a couple of turns and he was too conservative on some. 6 seconds is a big gap to close after the first check point, especially on a short prologue like this one. But all in all another great performance which bodes well for the following stages.
 
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