Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Bonimenier]

Win together, lose alone.

What a gross team.

Need to check your eyes, mate.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I'm disgusted.

It's so easy to showboat on a 4th cat climb just to win a TdF stage but when it comes to the real GC fight, Jumbo always f themselves with crazy split tactics & a disintegrated team.

Jumbo was by far the best team today (AGAIN). They just got hit with incredibly bad luck.
Holy moly some people are clueless.

 

[RedheadDane]

Looks like Roglic could need some roglstomp.

Jumbo was by far the best team today (AGAIN). They just got hit with incredibly bad luck.

Imagine being the domestiques!
"Oh... you're done pulling for Jonas? Well, time to pull for Primoz!"

 

[roundabout]

Maybe there was a chance if the Vingegaard group waited for him, but I guess there was a decision to make whether to lose the least amount with one leader, or lose more time with both

 

[Netserk]

He has no teammates in the TdF.

They already threw everyone back for Jonas so he was pretty much alone. It was always going to end like this. Loads of us warned about this months ago.

He had Laporte with him at that moment.

 

[Rackham]

Jumbo was by far the best team today (AGAIN). They just got hit with incredibly bad luck.
Holy moly some people are clueless.

Read the previous posts.

A/Roglic was alone when he crashed (at that point he was the main GC guy, at least according to all logic). They'd already committed the rest of the team to help Jonas & left Rog to fend for himself (Jonas who FYI had a ridiculous bike swap disaster).

B/After the crash he was just behind the group alone & they f*cked him again.

He had Laporte with him at that moment.

One teammate for the guy who at that point on the road was their best GC option. Yeah, what utter sh*t.

 

[entre nous]

Maybe there was a chance if the Vingegaard group waited for him, but I guess there was a decision to make whether to lose the least amount with one leader, or lose more time with both

They would have 7 riders to bridge, no? With the hindsight, they would loose nothing for BOTH

 

[Sestriere]

Guys it's coming together, Galibier no-risk-no-glory-raid to close the circle with 2017 I can feel it.

(Just trying to cope here don't mind me)

 

[Valv.Piti]

Guys, you need to make split decisions. Wait for Roglic with Vingegaard and co. and lose what, 30-60 seconds more, or go all in with the Vingegaard-group and feed Roglic with the remaining helpers (Laporte, Hoydonck and a pretty tired Kruijswijk).

Imagine if this happened to any other team today. They would be totally screwed. Look at Ineos, only reason they are in the race still is because of Benoot and Wout. But they managed to salvage it for at least one of their leaders and lose nothing to Pogacar. And lets be honest now, do we really think Roglic is better than Vingegaard at Granon and Alpe d Huez? Because I definitely do not.

They rode an incredible race in my opinion. Great teamwork and super strong helpers. High class team performance today.

 

[Netserk]

Super bad luck today. The perfect storm, really. I'm so sad for him.

 

[noob]

So sad for Roglic

 

[roundabout]

They would have 7 riders to bridge, no? With the hindsight, they would loose nothing for BOTH

I don't know. Benoot and Van Hooydonck (and Kruijswijk) weren't really flying so I have my doubts that that waiting for Roglic and having more riders in the chase would have been a faster strategy

 

[Valv.Piti]

Read the previous posts.

A/Roglic was alone when he crashed (at that point he was the main GC guy, at least according to all logic). They'd already committed the rest of the team to help Jonas & left Rog to fend for himself (Jonas who FYI had a ridiculous bike swap disaster).

B/After the crash he was just behind the group alone & they f*cked him again.



One teammate for the guy who at that point on the road was their best GC option. Yeah, what utter sh*t.

So people are complaning about A) Wout not dropping instantly to help Vingegaard and B) Wout not staying with Roglic?

At that point, I think the most sensible thing to do was bring back Wout. Then Roglic crashes, and within a few minutes after the pave, Roglic has 3 men available.

Again, its incredibly hard to play this one better than Jumbo did. Backseat driving is so god damn easy, and nothing they can do apparantly pleases anyone.

 

[Kwibus]

Super bad luck today. The perfect storm, really. I'm so sad for him.

This.
You have 2 leaders and both end up with bad luck. (Roglic crashed himself which kind of his own fault ofcourse).
You can bring such a strong team and still get f'ed on a stage like this if both leaders end up with bad luck... not 1... no both.

Poor Roglic :/

 

[topt]

this was a fcking disgrace what Jumbo has done today; Rogla needs to change team

 

[johnymax]

Did anyone actually see him crash? Is there any video? I saw the crash with Ewan involved, but I didn't see Roglic there.

Somebody said in the race thread, that he had to put his shoulder back in. Incredible brave ride if true. I just hope he'll be ok and ready in the next stages.

 

[Kwibus]

So people are complaning about A) Wout not dropping instantly to help Vingegaard and B) Wout not staying with Roglic?

At that point, I think the most sensible thing to do was bring back Wout. Then Roglic crashes, and within a few minutes after the pave, Roglic has 3 men available.

Again, its incredibly hard to play this one better than Jumbo did. Backseat driving is so god damn easy, and nothing they can do apparantly pleases anyone.

Specially during the carnage of a stage like this.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Stupid me, decided to transfer my allegiance from Contador to Roglic. Between the two, crashes have killed Tour prospects for 2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017 (I think?), 2021, and 2022. Savage. That's nearly 70% of Tours. And in the interim I cheered for Dumoulin. Haha.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Specially during the carnage of a stage like this.

Yes. Roglic will never, ever find better support that he has right now. Roglic loses P-N without Wout, and Vingegaard most likely wins Dauphine riding for another team. This Tour they have the by far best team, but he crashed in yet another freak accident.

The team was tremendous as it has been since 2020. Grass is always greener, I guess.

 

[Bonimenier]

this was a fcking disgrace what Jumbo has done today; Rogla needs to change team

The only disgrace here are comments like yours

 

[topt]

Guys, you need to make split decisions. Wait for Roglic with Vingegaard and co. and lose what, 30-60 seconds more, or go all in with the Vingegaard-group and feed Roglic with the remaining helpers (Laporte, Hoydonck and a pretty tired Kruijswijk).

Imagine if this happened to any other team today. They would be totally screwed. Look at Ineos, only reason they are in the race still is because of Benoot and Wout. But they managed to salvage it for at least one of their leaders and lose nothing to Pogacar. And lets be honest now, do we really think Roglic is better than Vingegaard at Granon and Alpe d Huez? Because I definitely do not.

They rode an incredible race in my opinion. Great teamwork and super strong helpers. High class team performance today.

no question about it; what the hell has Jonas done so far is his carrer to be a team leader; its a joke what they have done today

 

[johnymax]

Stupid me, decided to transfer my allegiance from Contador to Roglic. Between the two, crashes have killed Tour prospects for 2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017 (I think?), 2021, and 2022. Savage. That's nearly 70% of Tours. And in the interim I cheered for Dumoulin. Haha.

You can count 2020 too. Roglic crashed in Dauphine before the Tour and wasn't 100% in that edition.

 

[topt]

Yes. Roglic will never, ever find better support that he has right now. Roglic loses P-N without Wout, and Vingegaard most likely wins Dauphine riding for another team. This Tour they have the by far best team, but he crashed in yet another freak accident.

The team was tremendous as it has been since 2020. Grass is always greener, I guess.

more crap, we have seen how Jonas performs as team leader....

 

[kingjr]

I think it's a lot harder for a team to organize this stuff then some seem to think... DS's might not have all the information in the cars, riders might not hear everything they're being told and vice versa, and there is just generally a whole lot of confusion on a stage like this. I don't think they did Roglic dirty, I think they tried the best they could to save everyone, under the circumstances.

 

[Valv.Piti]

no question about it; what the hell has Jonas done so far is his carrer to be a team leader; its a joke what they have done today

Well, lets come back to this in 1 week.