Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[VayaVayaVaya]

I don’t think we’ve learned anything so far, to be honest. Roglic likely more cautious than Vingo and Pogi because 1) Brissenger had just crashed twice and there was less data about how the course was riding; 2) It was actively raining; 3) He has fewer future chances, based on age, than Vingo and Pogi and can’t afford another lost Tour; 4) He crashed out of last year’s Tour; 5) Vingegaard has extra motivation riding in Denmark in front his fellow Danes.

 

[VeloMaster]

I don’t think we’ve learned anything so far, to be honest. Roglic likely more cautious than Vingo and Pogi because 1) Brissenger had just crashed twice and there was less data about how the course was riding; 2) It was actively raining; 3) He has fewer future chances, based on age, than Vingo and Pogi and can’t afford another lost Tour; 4) He crashed out of last year’s Tour.

This.

Of course, that takes the fun out of these forum pages, so I get it.

While we are talking about Rogla, I just want to say that, like many fans, I choose to support individual riders based on an admittedly superficial reading of their personalities, riding/racing style, their exploits on the bike, etc. I love this guy's attitude toward racing, the way he always looks forward rather than backward, and his endearing personal story as ex-ski jumper-turned-WT-star comparatively late in sporting life.

I hope he wins the TdF this time around, but I'll still follow and enjoy his racing regardless of the outcome, just as I expect he will carry on in his familiar style and deal with any adversity that raises its ugly head. For the record, however, I do not think he is "finished" in any true sense of the word.

 

[Carols]

Seriously? Most all around riders don't reach a peak until mid-30s IMO. If they've been middle of the pack pros since age 21 they usually retire before mid-30s leaving just the exceptional domestiques and top riders that want to continue a career.
The deterioration is totally individual.
Sprinters....that's a different story.

I wasn't talking about cyclists; I was referring to everyone in the human race.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Another thing to consider is Roglič more or less always rode injured against Pogačar at the Tour. This year they managed to change that so far. Personally i don't feel you can peak while being injured. Hence Roglič has some reserves in this area too. Improving chances by staying healthy.

As for the age discussion. If Vingegaard is considered to be young and peaking in his form. Then i feel that Roglič should do just fine.

 

[CyclistAbi]

And lets not forget Rogla excels on French soil this year. Danish and Swiss sections hence can still cause some issues. But on his terrain he should be unbeatable.

 

[CyclistAbi]

All this talk about his age. I am sure that he had on an occasion heard "you are too old for this ***". When he started cycling.

Something to think about.

 

[Rackham]

Tour of Denmark over without incidents, now the TdF starts on Tuesday with a 9 second deficit. A nice (shorter) TdF which features most of its main difficulties midweek after rest days as well.

I still think there's a lot to look forwards to with Rogla in the Tour.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1543572711716298755

 

[CyclistAbi]

They do look strong and seem to be enjoying themself. Due to race for green they do waste some more energy but so far it did keep them at front and out of the troubles.

Keep on the good work. Rest well. And after some of the most anticipated stages are already on the schedule.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Three days and 0 crashes, looking great at a the moment

 

[hayneplane]

They do look strong and seem to be enjoying themself. Due to race for green they do waste some more energy but so far it did keep them at front and out of the troubles.

Keep on the good work. Rest well. And after some of the most anticipated stages are already on the schedule.

If Wout stays in Yellow they will also have team car position 1 which could be very valuable on the cobbles for speedy servicing of punctures.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Must say that Rogla is my favorite domestique.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

How the hell did Rogla do worse than Vingo on a climb like this one?

 

[kingjr]

How the hell did Rogla do worse than Vingo on a climb like this one?

He lost a few positions at the start of the climb and then closed the gap again, probably full of adrenaline and didn't realize he was pushing too hard. I think if he starts the climb on Wout's wheel, then he ends up with Yates and Vingegaard.

 

[Rackham]

How the hell did Rogla do worse than Vingo on a climb like this one?

It's 900 meters, positioning is everything. Primož Roglič: Wout van Aert is ‘half human, half motor’ after unbelievable Tour de France stage win - VeloNews.com

“We can’t wish for more. It’s really unbelievable,” Roglic said at the finish.
“ I’m proud to be a part of it. We were just there, the situation was there, and the guys were super strong. Then it just happened. When he goes, no one can go with him.For sure it would have been good but he was just too fast. I wasn’t in a super position entering the climb and then I made it up and in the end there was a gap.”

 

[Red Rick]

How the hell did Rogla do worse than Vingo on a climb like this one?

I didn't see the stage, but I have 2 hypotheses

1. Spent too much energy gaining positions lost before the climb
2. Vingegaard is flying.

 

[Elos Anjos]

So in the end it was not planned as everyone was surprised that 1) it worked out after 2) he had done so.

No worries, tomorrow is another big stage.

 

[johnymax]

Guys, it's Primož Roglič we are talking about here. A champion who has been proving people wrong time and time again. He'll do something special. If not this Tour, it'll be in the Vuelta. If not in the Vuelta, it'll be in the WC. If not in the WC it'll be in the Italian classics....and so on.

 

[Rackham]

I didn't see the stage, but I have 2 hypotheses

1. Spent too much energy gaining positions lost before the climb
2. Vingegaard is flying.

A closer look at the climb:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544369941515829252

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544398568886345728

Roglic was way down & out of position.

Too bad the discussion tonight is about how sh*t he is because he got dropped by his own teammates. He must have sprinted pretty hard as well to make up the lost ground.

 

[zlev11]

yeah he was just too far down, someone probably blew up in front of him and left a gap. he closed the gap immediately and probably actually went faster than Vingegaard on the climb.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Great video. Thanks, that clears out the situation very well!

 

[Netserk]

A closer look at the climb:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544369941515829252

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544398568886345728

Roglic was way down & out of position.

Too bad the discussion tonight is about how sh*t he is because he got dropped by his own teammates. He must have sprinted pretty hard as well to make up the lost ground.

That's a mistaken identification. The 8th and last Jumbo rider is Kruijswijk. Here is a better screenshot where you can see their numbers:

Roglič is on the wheel of Vingegaard, who is on the wheel of Benoot. Laporte is on Van Aert's wheel.

BTW you can also spot Pogi behind Sagan and Großschartner.

 

[Netserk]

But it is correct that we see that Thomas and Roglič have to close a small gap at the bottom of the climb to get on the Jumbo express (where Roglič overtakes Thomas).

 

[Red Rick]

Lanterne lines it out precisely

 

[johnymax]

Lanterne lines it out precisely

Perfect breakdown. It's like I thought I saw it happen. Roglic had to do a couple of sprints (like he always does anyway, he loses position in the bunch too easily and too often) to put himself in position in the Jumbo & Ineos train. That's enough extra energy burned to not be able to follow Yates and Jonas.

It's a mistake from his side, especially if the attack had been planned by the team. But his performance was far from pathetic, like some posters were suggesting in the race thread.

 

[Bonimenier]

Perfect breakdown. It's like I thought I saw it happen. Roglic had to do a couple of sprints (like he always does anyway, he loses position in the bunch too easily and too often) to put himself in position in the Jumbo & Ineos train. That's enough extra energy burned to not be able to follow Yates and Jonas.

It's a mistake from his side, especially if the attack had been planned by the team. But his performance was far from pathetic, like some posters were suggesting in the race thread.

I don't think anyone said it was pathetic, only that it was worse than Vingegaard. But I guess exaggeration is an art.