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Primoz quit the tour likely because he wants to focus on his own goals (Vuelta) rather than playing domestique…

Probably thinking Jonas had enough help either way.

But of course with Kruiswijk gone and benoot badly hit….

I just think he should have waited until the restday. There was no reason why he could not so that one more stage.

I feel it became apparent on stage 14. It's only a downhill battle in regards to health. Likely the decision should be made a day or two before that. Personally i do believe he withheld information of the seriousness of the injury just to stay in the race. But even if he would made the decision himself. Just to go to train for Vuelta. Even in such situation he did more then enough for Jonas on this race and hopefully Jonas or the team will once return the favor.
 
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I feel it became apparent on stage 14. It's only a downhill battle in regards to health. Likely the decision should be made a day or two before that. Personally i do believe he withheld information of the seriousness of the injury just to stay in the race. But even if he would made the decision himself. Just to go to train for Vuelta. Even in such situation he did more then enough for Jonas on this race and hopefully Jonas or the team will once return the favor.
The yellow jersey is not won yet though so whatever small, he could still be needed to help Jonas.

I really think it is less about the injury than the disappointment and realising what this tour means for his future goals.

I saw Primoz arrive 3 days in the alps, he looked quite relaxed and not seriously in pain (unlikely other riders who looked completely wasted).

The one and only goal of Primoz in cycling is winning yellow in Paris. I can understand if he needs time to adjust to a new reality that leadership in the tour will likely not happen At Jumbo anymore.

People say: he could do classics, he could do the Giro. The guy does not want that. He wants the tour.
 
For me personally Rogličes Tour 2022 ended on stage 5. Where Jumbo Visma failed to protect their leader. If he would abandon the race after stage 5. That would be my preferred choice.

He didn't and rather went on. Made his contribution to the team on stage 11. That should be more then enough for JV to win this Tour edition. He seemed genuinely happy about that. If they will blew it it's totally on them now. On lets say stage 14 if i remember correctly he still did a couple of pulls 30km to the finish line. Saying JV is now dependent on such contribution and will implode without such help. In that case they don't stand a chance anyway. Then Bardet or Gaudo will beat them.

If somebody now comes out of the bush claiming he should have done more. Just redirect such people back to the bush.

Personally i am more or less awaiting for some videos on how Rogla is training for Vuelta in Slovenia. Hopefully already during the Tour. Only 32 days left. And if anybody has problems with that. Good.
 
Personally i am more or less awaiting for some videos on how Rogla is training for Vuelta in Slovenia. Hopefully already during the Tour. Only 32 days left. And if anybody has problems with that. Good.

For maximum troll lolz he could destroy some col climbing record & post the result on Strava... on Wednesday or Thursday (during Hautacam TdF stage).

Maybe with a smiling selfie as well. It would give Eurosport & Lance Armstrong something to rant about.
 
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For maximum troll lolz he could destroy some col climbing record & post the result on Strava... on Wednesday or Thursday (during Hautacam TdF stage).

Maybe with a smiling selfie as well. It would give Eurosport & Lance Armstrong something to rant about.

Personally i believe his injuries are rather severe and he likely hampered his Vuelta chances by staying at this Tour edition for so long. We'll see on how things will progress. As in 32 days one can't expect miracles. But at least he is out of the Tour rhythm now. Rhythm that was making things worse as the stages went by.
 
The question is of course: did Jumbo failed to protect their leader on stage 5?

On the team car, the bikes of Jonas and Wout were on the sides, so easy to grab, indicating Primoz was a protected rider but not their main GC focus…

The answer is yes. They failed. Not only that on stage 15 they again failed to protect their leader. This time wearing yellow jersey and having two and a half minutes advantage on Pogi. It's just incomprehensible.

Their team leader is now riding injured.
 
Personally i believe his injuries are rather severe and he likely hampered his Vuelta chances by staying at this Tour edition for so long. We'll see on how things will progress. As in 32 days one can't expect miracles. But at least he is out of the Tour rhythm now. Rhythm that was making things worse as the stages went by.

I agree. I was being facetious.

I don't think Jumbo have handled Roglic well this season at all. He was an afterthought in this TdF (even before the crash) & his injury in Itzulia was a strange one (& there were rumours Jumbo wasn't happy he divulged his knee injury to the media).

His worst career timeline since 2017, for sure. Which is ironic considering he won two world tour stage races but we're at that unfortunate point where only the big prizes matter.

That says a lot about what he's achieved & also about what's expected of him by the public. Jumbo though... they're a different matter altogether.
 
I feel he still has much support at JV. But not in all clans. My suggestion would be to just stomp on them.

We'll see.

Even in this TdF when we accept Jumbo are telling the truth, I feel there's a far more sensible way they could have preserved Roglic for week 3 since the Granon stage. It's not about the rider 'masking his injuries' (i.e. this only applied to the media in any case) because the team doctors knew full well what his condition was, it's about the team putting Roglic at the back of the peloton & riding as easily as possible to preserve himself.

Instead they put him on the front & had him drilling it on a cat 3 climb (after he'd already drilled the Alpe D'Huez). There's just stuff going on in that team which makes very little sense from the outside (like WvA going off on a solo adventure again yesterday).
 
You get these narratives that develop somewhat naturally that in turn make it just easy to write certain things because the stories sell themselves. In tennis there's writing about Djokovic being unpopular. In cycling there's Jumbo Visma being rabofail in vomit colored kits. Then there's Roglic crashing. Plus people for some reason love team drama.

This checks all the boxes for braindead fans who only seek an asinine narrative to validate their *** opinion
 
You get these narratives that develop somewhat naturally that in turn make it just easy to write certain things because the stories sell themselves. In tennis there's writing about Djokovic being unpopular. In cycling there's Jumbo Visma being rabofail in vomit colored kits. Then there's Roglic crashing. Plus people for some reason love team drama.

This checks all the boxes for braindead fans who only seek an asinine narrative to validate their *** opinion
You act like you are somehow exempt when it comes to such narratives :expressionless:
 
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You get these narratives that develop somewhat naturally that in turn make it just easy to write certain things because the stories sell themselves. In tennis there's writing about Djokovic being unpopular. In cycling there's Jumbo Visma being rabofail in vomit colored kits. Then there's Roglic crashing. Plus people for some reason love team drama.

This checks all the boxes for braindead fans who only seek an asinine narrative to validate their *** opinion

In this case I think Roglic is a victim of his own superior pain threshold. He's arguably the toughest rider in the peloton, objectively speaking, i.e. smiling to the cameras when his TdF chances are shot & he's in agony after (another) shoulder dislocation & back injury.

So when he finally is completely emptied & can't continue, you get these pundits/commentators/fans who say 'but he seemed to be riding fine just a few days ago!".

Then there's the people who don't like him anyway & they're always ready to jump in & post something controversial just to twist a knife.
 
Everyone has an opinion:

Philippa York analysis: Roglic's bizarre abandon could cost Jumbo dearly | Cyclingnews

A pretty nasty piece tbh, i.e. pretty much saying "Roglic is to blame if Vingegaard loses this TdF".

Netflix will provide the answer!!

You could easily flip this argument on its head and say that Roglic is the reason that Vingegaard wins the tour with the dual attack strategy on the Galibier. Without Roglic he doesn't take anywhere near 3 minutes and may not have even took yellow, who knows. It's only mere speculation, but I do think that there are internal issues within Jumbo and that Roglic (although Jumbo wouldn't ever admit it publicly) came to the tour as the number 2 rider. They would have known the numbers were in Vingegaards favour but tried to keep up the pretence that it was a joint leadership role. A bale of hay helped solve that problem for them and they were then able to use Roglic as a decoy to launch Vingegaard as their new champion in waiting.
 
This is really unfair. Intead of being praised for his selfless heroic act of ensuring Vinge gets the yellow, he is being criticised for "abandoning his team". Maybe Kruijswijk should ride a couple of more stages as well instead of pussying out after a few broken bones?

As far as being "respectful to the Tour", as is mentioned in this article. I see no reason why Roglic should respect the Tour when the Tour doesn't respect him (or other riders, for that matter) by subjecting them to danger completely unneccessarily. Let's remember that Roglic is out due to a mistake made by the organiser. For which he and other riders received no apology whatsoever. So no - I don't think Roglic owes the Tour anything...
 
I think the article points out a lot of interesting points that I (and clearly others) have been asking myself.

Of course they could not have known Kruiswijk, Benoot and Jonas would fall, but taking out Primoz to go and prepare the Vuelta to secure that title is a bold decision however you turn it.

Jonas is an amazing rider and I always predicted him to be the one beating Pogi but he now has a much weaker team to help him. Primoz could have been very useful figuring out Pogi’s attacks.

This is Jonas’ first time in yellow with all the pressure that comes with i…..

It seems to me that Jumbo once again is thinking they got the tour all wrapped in…..:grimacing:
 
This is really unfair. Intead of being praised for his selfless heroic act of ensuring Vinge gets the yellow, he is being criticised for "abandoning his team". Maybe Kruijswijk should ride a couple of more stages as well instead of pussying out after a few broken bones?

As far as being "respectful to the Tour", as is mentioned in this article. I see no reason why Roglic should respect the Tour when the Tour doesn't respect him (or other riders, for that matter) by subjecting them to danger completely unneccessarily. Let's remember that Roglic is out due to a mistake made by the organiser. For which he and other riders received no apology whatsoever. So no - I don't think Roglic owes the Tour anything...
He helped Jonas 1 entire time! How heroic of him!

Also the one time he has ever helped one of his teammates.

I have a lot of respect for Roglic, but the guy has been known to never ride for anyone than himself. Including when it comes to riding for medals for Slovenia in the World or Olympics.

I also get it. He is ambitious and is getting older so he knows he needs to grab every chance he gets.

And what should the Tour do to be respectful to Roglic? put bubblewrap around every corner so he cannot hurt himself?…Roglic is a rider who is known to fall often, last year he fell on a straight road, supposedly “attacked” by Colbrelli :rolleyes:
 
He helped Jonas 1 entire time! How heroic of him!
And this one time might be exactly the only time that was neccessary. Vinge is in yellow thanks to that. No need to downplay his role and no need to use exclamation points either...

Also the one time he has ever helped one of his teammates.
What is he going to do? From the 1st place in GC standings help the guy in 5th? He has rarely been in a position where he wasn't the leader. He was in fact usually either leading the GC standings (or was at leat by far the best ranked from his team) or was injured.

And what should the Tour do to be respectful to Roglic? put bubblewrap around every corner so he cannot hurt himself?…Roglic is a rider who is known to fall often, last year he fell on a straight road, supposedly “attacked” by Colbrelli :rolleyes:
This year - apologise for putting a (whatever it was) in the middle of the road.
Last year - pick a more appropriate route in the first week.

Like I said, this is not valid only for Roglič. Tour should increase its safety standards like other dangerous sports have (e.g. F1) and stop putting riders under unneccersary risk.

And besides - Roglič or TJV never stated he is "abandoning his team" to increase his Vuelta chances. It was to allow himself to heal. That is just the author's claim which she supports by zero evidence...