- Aug 9, 2021
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- Jul 16, 2015
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He fought extremely well today, i.e. losing hardly any time versus Mas. Something which 2.5km from the line looked unlikely.
Evenepoel is clearly in a stratosphere above but despite giving all the impression he's totally cracked (& cracking), Rog is still within striking distance of second place.
Let's see what happens next week (& whether he can ride into some better form). Shame Harper crashed though (I hope he's okay).
- Nov 24, 2020
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- Oct 2, 2020
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Me, too. ... Still, I thought he put up a really strong fight today after he was first dropped. It looked like he was going to completely blow up, but he stayed close to the other riders not named Remco. If he makes it to the podium in Madrid, that would be a fantastic result.Just sad. And even more sad.
- Feb 20, 2012
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Instead of crying, let's just meme his positioning before the final climb. True Roglic stuff
- Jul 16, 2015
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The Harper/Tao crash incident might have played a role in that positioning, considering we saw Rog at the back of the group with a split behind him.
Why is everyone expecting he will all the sudden grow within race and start droping people in 2nd and 3rd week? His only shot of winning is if Remco epicly explodes one day (ala Yates style in 2018 Giro) and Mas has one of his problems (descending...). Not impossible but just not realistic.
One thing he has going his way is that his opponents (Remco, Mas, Ayuso, Carlos) all have some question marks as they haven't yet win GT and are with exception of Mas basically first time riding GT as the GC guy.
One thing he has going his way is that his opponents (Remco, Mas, Ayuso, Carlos) all have some question marks as they haven't yet win GT and are with exception of Mas basically first time riding GT as the GC guy.
- Jan 31, 2016
- 3,611
- 6,035
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We're also going to see TdF elevations at Stage 15, 20. We've been playing at the safe lower heights to date while above 6,000' bad things can happen to strong riders.
- Sep 15, 2020
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I think he will overtake Mas on Tuesday. Remco seems like a different league right now, but remember he has yet to finish a GT. QS have been impressive though, as much as TJV have been underwhelming.
- Feb 20, 2012
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- 44,159
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Because of hopium, and because Contador did it in 2014. dropping out of the Tour and riding a great Vuelta didn't use to be rare.
I don't believe altitude is some magical bullet that kills Evenepoel. He may not be as dominant, but he's not randomly gonna implode.
- Jul 17, 2021
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His team director stated that they did not plan to attack this stage since he is not 100%. They are planning for him to get in shape during the tour and see what happens. They do not expect big gain / loss in ITT.
- Jan 31, 2016
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Didn't say he would. It's the territory where someone will find more discomfort than they'd hoped.
- Jul 16, 2015
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Because this is Primož Roglič we're talking about. He's in that same class of rider as Froome was in 2018, i.e. capable of anything on his best day.
One thing is for sure: he won't settle for a podium. If (big if) he starts to get his best form back again, he'll no doubt race aggressively to overcome the deficit.
Obviously the odds are totally against him & if this current trend continues, he might even struggle to get on the podium i.e. he can't keep on getting dropped by the likes of Ayuso & Mas over the next 2 weeks because he'll start to ship way too much time.
But, wait & see. First let's hope for a good ITT on Tuesday & some hot weather in southern Spain.
- Feb 20, 2012
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I just hope for legs to mount an offensive.
- May 29, 2019
- 11,070
- 11,598
- 23,180
Rather demanding stage 9. Lost time, lost Kuss, two team members crashing ...
As tomorrow is a rest day and in retrospective. If we take Mas as a reference point and the type of terrain we have seen today. It's likely not peak Rogla. Considering the injuries at the Tour and a sub optimal preparations one could i guess expect that. Another factor is Evenepoel was preparing for this race for months. The whole first week or so planned out. Then there are some youngsters that we don't know yet. A lot of challenges ahead.
Said that Rogla is still third in GC and hopefully will move up after ITT. Half of the race left to tackle Evenepoel. We always wondered what would happen if Rogla would go a bit undercooked to a GT race. Time to find out.
The biggest problem i see now is he is totally exposed in high mountains. On the plus side he isn't defending. Hence sooner rather then later teams will start to stress out QS. Here Rogla can still use his team just fine. And he should do that often. Evenepoel will likely get isolated from time to time and will need to start responding to cover attacks. Some alliances might get forged in this regards. Or lets say Carapaz might go for a stage win, an ambush ... Or Evenepoel to simply crack in high mountains.
As tomorrow is a rest day and in retrospective. If we take Mas as a reference point and the type of terrain we have seen today. It's likely not peak Rogla. Considering the injuries at the Tour and a sub optimal preparations one could i guess expect that. Another factor is Evenepoel was preparing for this race for months. The whole first week or so planned out. Then there are some youngsters that we don't know yet. A lot of challenges ahead.
Said that Rogla is still third in GC and hopefully will move up after ITT. Half of the race left to tackle Evenepoel. We always wondered what would happen if Rogla would go a bit undercooked to a GT race. Time to find out.
The biggest problem i see now is he is totally exposed in high mountains. On the plus side he isn't defending. Hence sooner rather then later teams will start to stress out QS. Here Rogla can still use his team just fine. And he should do that often. Evenepoel will likely get isolated from time to time and will need to start responding to cover attacks. Some alliances might get forged in this regards. Or lets say Carapaz might go for a stage win, an ambush ... Or Evenepoel to simply crack in high mountains.
- May 29, 2019
- 11,070
- 11,598
- 23,180
One approach. Getting Alaphilippe out of the picture on a penultimate climb, isolating Evenepoel and using a numbers game by utilizing mano-a-mano among the favorites. And let the last one standing win. If that is Evenepoel so be it. If it's by any chance Rogla.
Then Rogla will get to beat Pogi, Jonas and Evenepoel at the Tour 2023. Such a nice reward.
Then Rogla will get to beat Pogi, Jonas and Evenepoel at the Tour 2023. Such a nice reward.
- Jun 1, 2015
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- Jun 7, 2011
- 20,928
- 20,249
- 28,180
Rogl stomped?
Anyway, it's still not over, just a bit more unlikely. After the TT he could very well be back in 2nd place. And while he has been outclimbed by not just Remco, the only one he really lost some time to, was Mas, who was barely strong enough to hold on to Evenepoel's wheel on Pico Jano. Had Mas not been dragged up the climb by Evenepoel, he wouldn't have taken anywhere near as much time on Roglic as he did. So let's assume he can get back into 2nd, and there is still a slight chance Evenepoel fades out, then Roglic just has to outlast Mas. While ''improving'' isn't a thing in a GT, ''not fading as fast as the others'' very much is a thing.
Also Ayuso and Rodriguez could very well fade into the 3rd week.
- May 29, 2019
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- 11,598
- 23,180
Won't work like at the Tour
What would happen is Remco goes to the front and the diesel engine is fired up and the few who can stay with him are hanging on until they cannot. Remco has stopped following the accelerations of the climbers and just sets his own pace now
- Sep 15, 2020
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- May 29, 2019
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- 23,180
In my opinion it's the gasoline engine of Alaphilippe that did the initial damage. After riding perfectly paced stage. Then it was a semi gasoline kick by Evenepoel. Then into diesel mode. Neutralizing Alaphilippe is hence a must. This is something that JV can likely do alone. If other teams would choose not to participate. I find that less likely, for other teams to not try, but you never know. Before the final climb. As on last climb Rogla can't rely on help from JV. Best to use (part of) the team before. To mess with the plans of QS.
Further on lets say stage 9 it looked initially like Rogla will lose 2 minutes. It came down to under a minute. All in all the diesel engine must be isolated and must be put under difficulty. On the last climb. Early enough. Or by using some other tactics with a similar results.
From Rogličes perspective he isn't peaking just yet. But all in all isn't that bad either. On a hill he will likely get isolated every time. For Evenepoel i don't expect it to be just smooth sailing. As the race progresses.
We'll see.
- May 25, 2010
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To be honest the level of Contador and Froome in Vuelta 2014 was most likely lower than their level at the start of the TdF 2014. Atleast that certainly was the feeling I had during the Vuelta 2014.
This is speculating ofcourse.
- Apr 30, 2011
- 46,895
- 29,478
- 28,180
Yes it is. Countless of riders have been able to push more watts later on in the race. Like Nibali in the 2016 Giro. Or Froome in the 2014 Vuelta.
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