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[Samu Cuenca]

The legend of Rogla continues to grow. He's just passed Chris Froome on the PCS all time riders ranking. Next on the list is Nibali. He could surpass him by the end of Catalunya. Then he should invite him to see his trophy cabinet. Or maybe wait until the end of the season. I bet there is still room for some more nice trophies in the near future.

Decorating a trophy cabinet is like making a perfect pizza. It's not about the amount of ingedients you use, but the quality of them.

And no one wants a pizza that tastes an awful lot like their sister's mouth

 

[tobydawq]

The legend of Rogla continues to grow. He's just passed Chris Froome on the PCS all time riders ranking. Next on the list is Nibali. He could surpass him by the end of Catalunya. Then he should invite him to see his trophy cabinet. Or maybe wait until the end of the season. I bet there is still room for some more nice trophies in the near future.

Winning a second trident is just plagiarising Nibali's trophy cabinet.

 

[johnymax]

Decorating a trophy cabinet is like making a perfect pizza. It's not about the amount of ingedients you use, but the quality of them.

And no one wants a pizza that tastes an awful lot like their sister's mouth

Give me a pizza with lots of ingredients over any pizza margherita with quality cheese and quality tomato. In the end of the day, it's just a margherita, the cheapest pizza in any pizzeria...and it's boring.

There's no connection to cycling. I'm just expressing my pizza taste.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Except he did that in Vuelta 2021 Stage 17.

I think they mean an attack Roglic initiates himself from far out. He was just responding to Bernal’s attack and didn’t start helping as much until just before the valley. Other example is in the Tour last year.

 

[Extinction]

Give me a pizza with lots of ingredients over any pizza margherita with quality cheese and quality tomato. In the end of the day, it's just a margherita, the cheapest pizza in any pizzeria...and it's boring.

There's no connection to cycling. I'm just expressing my pizza taste.

De gustibus non disputandum est, but you clearly don't understand the virtues of neapolitan pizza margherita. At any rate, it's the dough, the oven and the pizzaiolo that make the pizza.

 

[Oldermanish]

But doesn't that seem the exception to the rule?

My point is the rules are changing if he stays healthy. The Giro is way hard and difficult to follow up without deep rest.

 

[movingtarget]

I'd normally agree with you on both parts but there's room for Roglic to expand his abilities on long climbs. Yesterday's stage was a series of ridiculous intervals and he passed that test.
As for the Tour his Giro commitment will be a serious enough challenge that he may not have enough legs for both, at least not to seriously contest leadership. He'd still be a strong role player if that suits the program. He may be better off with the Giro/Vuelta double and not do the Tour at all.
I'd love to see him win the Tour like most fans.

Roglic will find it hard to win a Tour now if he always has to compete against Pogacar and Vingegaard. His best chance will be if they opt for the Giro instead which is unlikely to happen until later in their careers. I think the Giro/Vuelta double would be a better option for Roglic. Good to see Hindley attempting the Tour after making two Giro podiums. Thomas riding the Giro makes sense as his best Tour days are over.

 

[BR2]

All I can think of in this whole discussion is how last year before the Tour I was absolutely sure that Vingegaard had no chance against Pogacar and how he then won.

 

[Extinction]

My point is the rules are changing if he stays healthy. The Giro is way hard and difficult to follow up without deep rest.

I thought I was responding to Elos Anjos. At any rate, I don't believe at this stage of his career a healthy Roglic is going to be capable of changing his modus operandi and start doing long range attacks in the mountains. The Giro climbs are generally longer than those of the Vuelta and steeper than those of the Tour; and the third week of the Giro often has a succession of passi, long and hard, that make it the hardest week terrain wise in the sport.

The type of racing and the climbs of the Vuelta are perfectly suited to Roglic's strengths and riding style, judging by his three victories in the Spanish GT. I think the Giro, especially the third week, however, could give him trouble, although this is true of each of the top favorites. My feeling is that the Giro winner will be the one who is able to drop his rivals with a winning attack from at least 4 km out on one of the big mountain stages in either the second or third week. And naturally be very good in the TTs.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

So it's a case of who can win the most time in the Giro, Roglic in bonus seconds or Remco in the ITT's. Let's forget about the other candidates, because they don't exist. It' isn't a 2 horse race, like some would suggest. On paper yes, but it doesn't always happen like that. I'm hoping for 1 or 2 other riders to throw their tuppence worth in. Maybe we'll get another Carapaz or TGH.

 

[Extinction]

So it's a case of who can win the most time in the Giro, Roglic in bonus seconds or Remco in the ITT's. Let's forget about the other candidates, because they don't exist. It' isn't a 2 horse race, like some would suggest. On paper yes, but it doesn't always happen like that. I'm hoping for 1 or 2 other riders to throw their tuppence worth in. Maybe we'll get another Carapaz or TGH.

To the first bolded, yes, this is the case with any stage race. To the second bolded, do you realize the ironic contradiction of your premises?

I can't see with the amount of TT km how anyone but those two can win pink in Rome frankly, so that sees the mountains as delivering the final verdict and Tre Cime di Lavaredo could spell doom to someone's last hopes.

 

[frisenfruitig]

So it's a case of who can win the most time in the Giro, Roglic in bonus seconds or Remco in the ITT's. Let's forget about the other candidates, because they don't exist. It' isn't a 2 horse race, like some would suggest. On paper yes, but it doesn't always happen like that. I'm hoping for 1 or 2 other riders to throw their tuppence worth in. Maybe we'll get another Carapaz or TGH.

With 52 flat TT kms I can't see how Carapaz or TGH stand a chance. Not unless both Roglic and Evenepoel have serious off days in a couple of mountain stages.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

Let's hope they can both stay on their bike and illness free.

 

[Riek s]

rather suprised by the form Roglic showed atm. Expected him to ride to get form, not to dominate the race. Good he isn't going to enter the Giro half cooked and baked.

Exciting times coming.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Chapeau, legend!

 

[acm]

Interesting article.

Google translate: “That people had to assume earlier to be at the start in the Giro with the prospect that he would need the first week to ride in. That one had to calculate losses there. That boy is now more than a month ahead of schedule."

 

[Red Rick]

Interesting article.

Google translate: “That people had to assume earlier to be at the start in the Giro with the prospect that he would need the first week to ride in. That one had to calculate losses there. That boy is now more than a month ahead of schedule."

Wow.

I think I really underestimated how bad he was during the winter.

Meanwhile, the thread literally starts with this

I've had this thread in my mind for awhile now. I've just been waiting for his first successful race/stage. 3rd place in a stage in Algarve isn't exactly what you'd call a big success, but with a bad shoulder (he dislocated it at TDU) it's a very nice result and a sign of good things to come.

7 years ago now.

 

[acm]

Wow.

I think I really underestimated how bad he was during the winter.

Meanwhile, the thread literally starts with this



7 years ago now.

Yeah, it's crazy. He dislocated his shoulders 30 or 40 times, which means basically every time he crashed. I have no words, this man is from another planet.

 

[Oldermanish]

Yeah, it's crazy. He dislocated his shoulders 30 or 40 times, which means basically every time he crashed. I have no words, this man is from another planet.

...or like every dedicated sports player that has shoulder problems but needs to play to get paid. His surgery was obviously successful and will be a liberation for him in many ways. His climbing can get more aggressive. His TT position can be more solid. Both of those attributes can be impactful to posture and the lower back quickly. We may be surprised that he will enter a deeper strength phase of his riding now that he's aligned. He'll sleep better. It's not a small thing.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Meanwhile, the thread literally starts with this



7 years ago now.

I don't know this guy, but I'm in on the bandwagon

 

[CyclistAbi]

So. There is a small ramp at the end of stage one at Catalunya. And that got me thinking ...

 

[DNP-Old]

So. There is a small ramp at the end of stage one at Catalunya. And that got me thinking ...

That's usually where things go wrong.

 

[CyclistAbi]

That's usually where things go wrong.

You are right. The bear slept for 6 months and is hungry now. No real need to overthink it.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

do they send Roglič to Milan-San Remo to assist WvA instead of racing Catalunya a couple of days later?

The only thing Roglic is likely to achieve at Sanremo is another dislocated shoulder . Surely not even Jumbo director would be strange enough to skip Catalunya for that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I feel that a bit of hype is OK. At least until all that champagne leaves the system. Due to the "narrative" ongoing during the off season. And now Rogla putting all that BS to rest.

Still. Rogla is being much more realistic. He said a couple of watts are still missing. Hence a lot of work ahead.