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Logic-is-your-friend said:
If you go by square miles and by population, you will find Belgium is the most cycling-centric country in the world. A much larger percentage of Belgian population turns pro cyclist than any other country in the world, because there are only 11 million of us. The country is so small that basically every town has its own cycling race. Lots of sports journalism is cycling related. Just like in every other country in the world, news is predominately local or national. That means we get more news about 2nd, even 3rd tier Belgian riders, than 1st tier foreign riders. Please don't try to tell me this is any different in any other country. because i'm quite sure in the UK they will sooner talk about how Leicester City is failing, than they will talk about how PSG is doing. Belgians simply read Belgian news and that simply tends to be about Belgian cyclists first and foremost. This is the only explanation you need to be looking for.

When i talk about certain Belgian riders, i do so because A/ i believe in them (those i talk about) and B/ i can get more information about them a lot sooner and a lot more easily than riders from other countries. I don's speak Danish, i don't speak Spanish, Portuguese or Italian. So in order to get information on young/unknown riders from such countries, it requires a lot more energy or waiting for mainstream English/Dutch media to pick up on those. That's why i knew and believed in Van Aert before this forum ever heard his name, that's why i have been a firm believer in Evenepoel's potential and spoke of such riders before it might have seemed to make sense to non-Belgians on this forum. But i think now they know it did make sense.
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Yet somehow for some inexplicable reason, most here are not as home-country-centric as you are. It's almost as if you are not the default poster with the default level of nationalism.
 
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how yes no? said:
you want some vintage, reckless, uncalculated Roglic, to showcase how he would race if he was not institutionalized otherwise?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGLPOlEOUj4

nice compilation, never saw before, you can see his solo mindless attacks from the far, in the starting wins..
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The Tour of Azerbaijan isn't exactly the benchmark though. Even Rui Costa would do a long range solo in that race. I'm not sure what you're trying to say by 'institutionalized otherwise', as if his team forbids him from attacking. I always see Roglic as a kind of Oscar Freire, it doesn't matter which team he is on or what his DS tells him, he'll do his own thing anyway. And like Freire, he has a winning instinct.
 
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theyoungest said:
The Tour of Azerbaijan isn't exactly the benchmark though. Even Rui Costa would do a long range solo in that race.
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That was like the first major international race from Primož in only his second season as a "professional" bike rider, it's not like he went there as a number one world tour guy for some showboating.
It shows how his instincs were guiding him before he was taught the proper gc tactics.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say by 'institutionalized otherwise', as if his team forbids him from attacking.
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Your understanding goes into the right direction yes. I'm sure there is a talk with the stage plan before every stage and on races where Primož is going for the GC the talk is usually: "Primož you stay safe, if you feel strong, you may try to attack in the final kilometer, but remember you will win the GC from the TT anyway, so better not risk anything and try to just get some bonus seconds maybe if you can't avoid it."
 
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how yes no? said:
That was like the first major international race from Primož in only his second season as a "professional" bike rider, it's not like he went there as a number one world tour guy for some showboating.
It shows how his instincs were guiding him before he was taught the proper gc tactics.
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I know he wasn't the Primoz we know today, but he was clearly already very strong and a race like that is easy to dominate if you're simply the strongest rider there. Do you think his team forbids him to attack on Sassotetto in Tirreno, or was he maybe just not good enough? Same for the final stage, was he following wheels just for fun or because he couldn't do any better? My guess is the latter.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
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Tour de France 2023 – Analysing the contenders

The final form ranking for the yellow jersey contenders
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Looks like Rogla is out of top 10 and bubbling under section again. We will have to do something about that too. But for now stage one of Catalunya it is.
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This list is specifically about rider that will ride the Tour. I didn't know he was scheduled to ride the Tour?
 
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Do you think his team forbids him to attack on Sassotetto in Tirreno, or was he maybe just not good enough? Same for the final stage, was he following wheels just for fun or because he couldn't do any better? My guess is the latter.
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I'm sure he was not good enough. I'm also sure he was far of his best form in the Tirreno and his results just showcase the amazing base level Primož has or can reach with very little preperation (and also his new found race smarts) and not him actually being so far ahead of the plan giro-preperation wise.
 
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I know he wasn't the Primoz we know today, but he was clearly already very strong and a race like that is easy to dominate if you're simply the strongest rider there. Do you think his team forbids him to attack on Sassotetto in Tirreno, or was he maybe just not good enough? Same for the final stage, was he following wheels just for fun or because he couldn't do any better? My guess is the latter.
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My Guess is the Very Strong Headwind.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
www.cyclingnews.com

Tour de France 2023 – Analysing the contenders

The final form ranking for the yellow jersey contenders
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Looks like Rogla is out of top 10 and bubbling under section again. We will have to do something about that too. But for now stage one of Catalunya it is.
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There’s an explanation in the bottom of their article saying Roglič is someone who could realistically challenge for both, but as it stands he's not riding the Tour, so he's not on their list.

I think that’s a pretty fair disclaimer so nothing to get insulted about…

On another topic, I think Roglic is just as surprised as we are to have won Tirreno. I’m sure he’s off his usual peak by some margin, which was evident in his sprints, TT and long efforts. In his usual peak, he would have blown the field on those sprints instead of winning by a bike length. I’m deliberately using the term “his usual peak” since we are not sure whether he‘s able to reach it again. I’m having my hopes up after Tirreno…

Edit: It just dawned on me. Far from looking for excuses (the man did great considering his circumstance) but do you guys think it’s possible he’s holding up on brute force when sprinting due to his knee problems last year?
 
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theyoungest said:
He didn't follow Mas' attack either. You could call that a tactical masterstroke, I don't think it was. He was lucky Kelderman could bring it back.
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Rogla followed Mas when it really mattered... i.e. on the Alto de la Covatilla in the Vuelta 2020, stage 17:

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Sweet memories eh.
 
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acm said:
TJV for Catalunya: Roglič, Kruijswijk, Bouwman, Foss, Kuss, Hessmann and Gesink.

"Kelderman was also originally scheduled to race the Catalan stage race, but it comes too soon for him after his exit from Tirreno. Next on Kelderman's programme is the Giro."

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No Kelderman is a real shame & IMO the team looks a bit weak in the mountains. I say this because Kruijswijk offers zero guarantees & Sepp Kuss is usually a very different rider in the spring versus July in the TdF.

The most important part though is building a good working team relationship & spirit with Foss, Bouwman & Gesink because they're going to the Giro in May.
 
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