He was their Worst investment IMO. Subpar results , 6 months mental break, quits. Pfft!!Dumoulin has never kept Rabobank afloat.
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He was their Worst investment IMO. Subpar results , 6 months mental break, quits. Pfft!!Dumoulin has never kept Rabobank afloat.
Interesting viewpoint. I will reflectSomething I always considered to be relevant with regards to Roglič is the fact he's in my opinion a rider who presents form variables based on... confidence.
Like he's much better after he wins because this gives him more belief & confidence... which in turn leads to more wins. The big downside is he eventually runs out of gas. I only mention this because the theory whereby a rested Rog can do better in a GT doesn't always materialize because it reduces his race sharpness & his confidence as well. That's just my impression based on watching him for so long.
So it's a double edged sword, i.e. a well rested Rog will have better form prospects over 3 weeks of racing but he'll lack race sharpness & confidence (this materializes in terms of lacking in positioning & timing, among other little details), whilst a well raced Rog will have bucket loads of sharpness & confidence but sooner or later the Alto de la Covatilla 2020 happens. I think this is partially why people have often struggled when it comes to analysing his best form & peak power, i.e. because he can produce 'best ever' results when theoretically he should be tired & then conversely he can be a little bit subpar when everyone expects a stomp.
He's like a footballer who plays weekend league games & midweek European matches, i.e. scoring loads of goals & boosted by that confidence. But eventually, a burn out happens. And if he's rested for too long, he goes a little rusty. I realise this is all somewhat contradicted by his traditional early season top level in March but I put that down to more of his high base level manifesting itself as 'superior' to other riders who're just starting their season.
I'm not saying he should do the Tour 2023 or anything based on this analysis either, it's just something I consider relevant.
Plenty of time when he's older and 1 week races are easier to win than GTs. Not that they aren't now but I think he'll have a few years when he can still win week long races but not GTs. It would be great to become the Only winner of all 7 prestigious week longers, just Suisse to go.He may have just won the Giro, but he needs to also win Tour de Suisse, to really prove himself (against real men).
Seems very common that team bosses talk about riders' programs in this way. I mean, of course Primoz would have rather ridden the Tour to win, but I don't see a team boss making a comment as a confirmation of any discord. Totally normal.I don’t like the fact it is his boss who is announcing that decision. Makes you think it’s not really Rogla’s decision. Quite possibly it really isn’t…
I imagine it's much easier for the rider if the team handles that communication. Imagine Roglic has to put in an instagram update for any race he doesn't do.Seems very common that team bosses talk about riders' programs in this way. I mean, of course Primoz would have rather ridden the Tour to win, but I don't see a team boss making a comment as a confirmation of any discord. Totally normal.
I'm presuming the beetroot juice thing he drinks after races. Even then it's weird as ***.
I think Evenepoel senior is trying to be a d.ckhead, but even then I don't really get this tweet. Roglic forgot his juice and hence he won the Giro?I'm presuming the beetroot juice thing he drinks after races. Even then it's weird as ***.
Don't see why racing worlds would be relevant at all. He stand no chance, and his TT is declining. Much better to really build for the Vuelta, and at exactly that time period you prolly want to be in altitude camp instead of racing a race like that.Good. I think he should only do Nationals and Worlds before the Vuelta if he is to race at all before then.
The Giro tweet was retweeted by a Slovenian troll, who had just responded with "don't forget the secret juice" (+ 2 syringe icons) in response to Evenepoel's TdS announcement.
Patrick Evenepoel clearly didn't realise that if he responded to the retweeted tweet by the Slovenian troll, that his response would just be directed at the original Giro tweet and not the Slovenian troll. It was a failed attempt at trolling a troll and he deleted the tweet right after.
Here is the tweet on the Slovenian trolls timeline:
Here's his earlier comment on Evenepoel's announcement:
View: https://twitter.com/SeloVeroni/status/1664593148729782272
This confirms nothing we didn't already know. He just emphasizes how complicated it was last year.Seeing Kruijswijk come out & say it's better to do the Tour with just one leader (i.e. pretty much confirming the difficulties they had last year protecting both Rog & Jonas in the first week), it does raise some questions about next year though: https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...st-year-it-was-a-bit-of-a-compromise?twit=868
I mean it looks like the "can Rog do the TdF alongside Vingegaard at Jumbo?" question has just been kicked down the road & will be revisited later, i.e. Vingegaard will still be doing the Tour next year - I see no reason why not, even if he loses this one.
I think it was Roglic decisions who didn't want to be a domestique of Vingegaard and preferred to win a GT this seasonWhat TJV need is get their ass kicked by Pogacar in TDF this year. Then maybe they will be more welcoming to the idea of putting their top riders in their Tour team…
More welcoming to the idea they've used for a couple of years in a row now? Have you been paying any attention at all?What TJV need is get their ass kicked by Pogacar in TDF this year. Then maybe they will be more welcoming to the idea of putting their top riders in their Tour team…
I think it was Roglic decisions who didn't want to be a domestique of Vingegaard and preferred to win a GT this season
What TJV need is get their ass kicked by Pogacar in TDF this year. Then maybe they will be more welcoming to the idea of putting their top riders in their Tour team…
There's nothing that suggests Roglic didn't want to go to the Giro himself. It's basically the very first question in their season scheduling, and I doubt Jumbo would've forced either of them to the Giro if neither wanted to. It also doesn't make sense at all to think Roglic wouldn't be protected in the Tour. He just would likely not be the main leader. Given that, I think the distribution of leadership has been very logical.I think it was Roglic decisions who didn't want to be a domestique of Vingegaard and preferred to win a GT this season
For me it makes a lot of sense for Roglic, but not for the team. If the main goal stays TDF then I would have started with 2 leaders. I just think Roglic didn’t want this, but I would’ve forced him into this. I think it’s quite arrogant of Jumbo to think they’ll easily win TDF again, because I’m not sure Vingegaard is able to win from Pogacar when they go head-2-head, and Pogacar is at 100%.It also doesn't make sense at all to think Roglic wouldn't be protected in the Tour. He just would likely not be the main leader. Given that, I think the distribution of leadership has been very logical.
For me it makes a lot of sense for Roglic, but not for the team. If the main goal stays TDF then I would have started with 2 leaders. I just think Roglic didn’t want this, but I would’ve forced him into this. I think it’s quite arrogant of Jumbo to think they’ll easily win TDF again, because I’m not sure Vingegaard is able to win from Pogacar when they go head-2-head, and Pogacar is at 100%.
This confirms nothing we didn't already know. He just emphasizes how complicated it was last year.
Roglic is still a star rider and a team leader. There is no guarantee that him going to the TDF would again result in them winning. Pogacar and UAE will have learned from last years mistakes, and if Pogacar is at 100% i don't think it would matter that much on this route. So maybe in 2 years you can force Roglic into a domestique role, but not yet. Maybe it was a gamble, but at least they already won the Giro.For me it makes a lot of sense for Roglic, but not for the team. If the main goal stays TDF then I would have started with 2 leaders. I just think Roglic didn’t want this, but I would’ve forced him into this. I think it’s quite arrogant of Jumbo to think they’ll easily win TDF again, because I’m not sure Vingegaard is able to win from Pogacar when they go head-2-head, and Pogacar is at 100%.