- Jul 10, 2014
- 14,107
- 23,258
- 28,180
-
The Cycling News forum is still looking to add volunteer moderators with. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to
In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.
Thanks!
- Apr 14, 2021
- 1,521
- 2,867
- 10,180
Well there is one thing: Rogla saying things like “we’ll see after the Giro” and “No, maybe, I don’t know” and then Zeeman saying “no - we have other plans with Primoz” (not Primoz has other plans, mind you)…
I’ll admit it’s not a particularly strong argument but still, I’m not completely disregarding the possibility that Rogla wants to do the Tour and TJV doesn’t let him… but on the other hand, I’ve wanted him out of TJV for years now and this interpretation sure suits my agenda😁
- Jul 16, 2015
- 4,289
- 11,449
- 21,180
4 weeks is a long time in cycling. Everyone knows this.
I mean one scenario exists where Vingegaard gets a bad case of Covid, another exists where he hits some street furniture in the Dauphiné or training. There's also a scenario where 50% of the TdF selection DNS for any of those reasons (as happened before the Giro).
If that was to happen (i.e. losing Vingegaard, or half the team), then sure, Rog is going to the Tour 2023 (especially the former scenario where the leader cannot start).
It's just the way cycling is.
- Feb 20, 2012
- 49,272
- 35,618
- 28,180
How is it arrogance to keep one of your biggest assets happy?
That's just how the communications go normally. Jumbo announces the Tour squad, not Roglic. It was the plan all along that Roglic wouldn't race the Tour if he finished the Giro normally. Zeeman literally said "before the season we had put Roglic' name on the Vuelta list with a pencil", meaning the main plan was always Giro and Vuelta this year, and in talks before the season I would presume Roglic agreed with that.
- Mar 15, 2022
- 574
- 1,235
- 6,780
I would already replace Stevie with Kelderman this year.
- Jun 7, 2011
- 19,935
- 18,486
- 28,180
- Sep 15, 2020
- 374
- 550
- 4,880
- Apr 14, 2021
- 1,521
- 2,867
- 10,180
I think Rogla needs a team that puts his name on the TDF list with a pencil. He is probably top 3 GC rider in the world, but definitely at least top 5. And they are writing his name on the Vuelta list😒
- Jul 18, 2020
- 1,167
- 1,754
- 7,680
- May 29, 2019
- 8,787
- 9,651
- 18,180
Nenavadna, trnova in zlata pot Primoža Rogliča
Čas je, da se obudi nenavadna, a uspešna pot Primoža Rogliča. Razlog je povsem preprost. Postal je kralj prestižne Dirke po Italiji in po novem se lahko pohvali z lovorikami na dveh Grand Tourih. Za veliki trojček bi v vitrini potreboval še rumeno majico na dirki Tour de France. A je že zdaj...
siol.net
The idea was for this one to soak in first, considering the eyes are still watery. Time to swim through! Bravo Primož for winning the Giro and winning it in such grand style! Giro is such a grand race and having it in you palmares for sure further establishes you as one of the giants of this sport.
IG
Looks like the final time trial was one of the main goals all along. From winter hiking trip to reckoning ride in the morning before the time trial.
To je junak, ki je v dramatičnem trenutku pomagal Primožu Rogliču
Zgodba o zmagoslavju Primoža Rogliča v odločilnem kronometru Gira d'Italia je dobila filmsko nadaljevanje. Dobili smo potrditev, da je navijač, ki je ob kolesarjevih težavah z verigo na kolesu priskočil na pomoč, njegov nekdanji skakalni reprezentančni sotekmovalec Mitja Mežnar.
sportklub.n1info.si
Winning together junior team world championship in 2007 and 16 years after to get a push from the same team member Mitja Mežnar. That is just beyond wildest imagination. On a side note 2007 was the year Kuss visited Triglav.
As for a bit of trivia. A Slovenian journalist went into a "sport lab" where he tested himself on an indoor trainer. When set for the flat part of the final ITT the journalist lasted around 40s. When set on the climbing performance done by Rogla. The journalist lasted 4s. Then he cracked completely.
Romanje v čast gospoda kolesarstva: "Naredil je to, kar smo čakali"
Snela se je veriga, nato se je "snelo" Primožu Rogliču in na koncu še tisočim njegovih navijačev. Vse se je sestavilo v pravljico, resnično so tekle solze sreče, tako je v Italiji navijače nekoč ganil le Marco Pantani.
www.rtvslo.si
On top of Višarje, among all the fans, there was a poster. The weight of the poster being around half a tone.
IG
The range of emotions was most suitable for such a big win and especially the race such as Giro. Rogla always going that extra mile for his fans. Not holding back anything. A race and a day to remember forever. Thank you Primož!
Thanks for your comments. That wonderful shot (the final one in the series you posted) with him going full bore and all the Slovenian flags in the background will live forever in cycling history.
Nenavadna, trnova in zlata pot Primoža Rogliča
Čas je, da se obudi nenavadna, a uspešna pot Primoža Rogliča. Razlog je povsem preprost. Postal je kralj prestižne Dirke po Italiji in po novem se lahko pohvali z lovorikami na dveh Grand Tourih. Za veliki trojček bi v vitrini potreboval še rumeno majico na dirki Tour de France. A je že zdaj...
The idea was for this one to soak in first, considering the eyes are still watery. Time to swim through! Bravo Primož for winning the Giro and winning it in such grand style! Giro is such a grand race and having it in you palmares for sure further establishes you as one of the giants of this sport.
IG
Looks like the final time trial was one of the main goals all along. From winter hiking trip to reckoning ride in the morning before the time trial.
To je junak, ki je v dramatičnem trenutku pomagal Primožu Rogliču
Zgodba o zmagoslavju Primoža Rogliča v odločilnem kronometru Gira d'Italia je dobila filmsko nadaljevanje. Dobili smo potrditev, da je navijač, ki je ob kolesarjevih težavah z verigo na kolesu priskočil na pomoč, njegov nekdanji skakalni reprezentančni sotekmovalec Mitja Mežnar.
Winning together junior team world championship in 2007 and 16 years after to get a push from the same team member Mitja Mežnar. That is just beyond wildest imagination. On a side note 2007 was the year Kuss visited Triglav.
As for a bit of trivia. A Slovenian journalist went into a "sport lab" where he tested himself on an indoor trainer. When set for the flat part of the final ITT the journalist lasted around 40s. When set on the climbing performance done by Rogla. The journalist lasted 4s. Then he cracked completely.
Romanje v čast gospoda kolesarstva: "Naredil je to, kar smo čakali"
Snela se je veriga, nato se je "snelo" Primožu Rogliču in na koncu še tisočim njegovih navijačev. Vse se je sestavilo v pravljico, resnično so tekle solze sreče, tako je v Italiji navijače nekoč ganil le Marco Pantani.
On top of Višarje, among all the fans, there was a poster. The weight of the poster being around half a tone.
IG
The range of emotions was most suitable for such a big win and especially the race such as Giro. Rogla always going that extra mile for his fans. Not holding back anything. A race and a day to remember forever. Thank you Primož!
- Sep 12, 2022
- 5,296
- 6,621
- 16,180
- Jul 16, 2015
- 4,289
- 11,449
- 21,180
You can't force Rog to be a dom. It's not the army.
The only way he goes to the Tour is as either leader or co-leader with dedicated protection himself, i.e. he's a 4x GT winner.
I know there's a bunch of people who like to create world hierarchies with a couple of names at the top (of which Roglič is excluded) but the simple truth is on any other team in the Tour (all except UAE & Jumbo), he'd have 7 dedicated riders backing him on the road. Even with a full Giro in his legs.
That's the calibre of rider we're talking about here. Besides, Jonas Vingegaard can manage without Rog & if it does go to sh*t for him next month, it won't be Rog's fault.
- Aug 3, 2015
- 21,967
- 9,363
- 28,180
No way, Van Hooydonck was an absolute monster last year. He was always in front of Jonas and his bigger than most, so drafting is higher behind him. Thats a pretty underrated aspect. I do not think for a second Vingegaard would allow that to happen.
The only reason why his importance might be lower this year is due to the start, but the stages are still long, and Nathan can just ride in the wind for ages even on such terrain. I think he's by far the most underrated guy on that squad, he's the perfect gregario on the flat and saved him lots of watts going into the mountains.
- Aug 3, 2015
- 21,967
- 9,363
- 28,180
I think thats false. He'd be a1/a2 on a decent amount of teams with the Giro in the legs (Mas, Carapaz, Gaudu etc), and Ineos would simply just arrive to France with 4 protected riders as they have done lately and let the road decide.
Peak Contador was a shadow of himself in France after dominating. I wouldn't expect anything extraordinary from Roglic after the Giro.
- Feb 20, 2012
- 49,272
- 35,618
- 28,180
In 2011 I think he could have won without crashing and losing 1 minute + on day 1. In 2015 he was terrible. Froome and Dumoulin did really good doubles in 2018, but that was when the top riders in the Tour weren't nearly as good as now. If Roglic races, he might race for 3rd. Yay.
- May 29, 2019
- 8,787
- 9,651
- 18,180
So i see three options for racing schedule in June/July. First some honest assessment in regards to fatigue and injuries should be in order. Based on that the options i see are:
1. No racing. Due to acknowledging some rest is much needed.
2. Tour de Suisse. To again make some history. The route should suit Rogla. Remco being there and having something to prove should make this race hard. Last ITT should suit Rogla but likely going after some stage wins and bonus seconds would be a sensible strategy. So this one comes down to if Rogla is currently fresh enough to out sprint Remco on MTF.
3. Tour de France. To again make some history. The 2023 edition route should suit Rogla. The main question for me hence is an assessment if it's possible to get relatively fresh into week 3. If yes then Rogla should do it. Getting through in a good position till and after the ITT stage should be plan A. ITT should suit Rogla. And then everything is possible. Direct sprinting against Pogi by JV being the initiator is in my opinion not a good idea. Riding conservative somewhere back should do. Some obstacles i see are. Giro in the legs, likely hard first couple of stages. Where Tour 2023 could already be over. Multiple goals in team. That is much less support for GC guys on some crucial stages. Where big boys are playing their own game somewhere at front. But OK. Rogla is now a sprinter too. He should do fine. For this scenario some mandatory vacation with his family and then two or three weeks of altitude camp should do.
We'll see.
1. No racing. Due to acknowledging some rest is much needed.
2. Tour de Suisse. To again make some history. The route should suit Rogla. Remco being there and having something to prove should make this race hard. Last ITT should suit Rogla but likely going after some stage wins and bonus seconds would be a sensible strategy. So this one comes down to if Rogla is currently fresh enough to out sprint Remco on MTF.
3. Tour de France. To again make some history. The 2023 edition route should suit Rogla. The main question for me hence is an assessment if it's possible to get relatively fresh into week 3. If yes then Rogla should do it. Getting through in a good position till and after the ITT stage should be plan A. ITT should suit Rogla. And then everything is possible. Direct sprinting against Pogi by JV being the initiator is in my opinion not a good idea. Riding conservative somewhere back should do. Some obstacles i see are. Giro in the legs, likely hard first couple of stages. Where Tour 2023 could already be over. Multiple goals in team. That is much less support for GC guys on some crucial stages. Where big boys are playing their own game somewhere at front. But OK. Rogla is now a sprinter too. He should do fine. For this scenario some mandatory vacation with his family and then two or three weeks of altitude camp should do.
We'll see.
- Jun 22, 2010
- 4,994
- 1,074
- 18,680
- Aug 13, 2010
- 183
- 317
- 9,530
Disappointed -- but not surprised -- that GCN's Giro wrap-up, "Roglic's Defining Victory?!" devoted only a few minutes to Primoz's victory and the great storyline behind it. Instead, we mostly got was "heartbreak" for Thomas and the "amazing" Cavendish.
Who put the "Global" in Global Cycling Network?
Who put the "Global" in Global Cycling Network?
- Jun 22, 2010
- 4,994
- 1,074
- 18,680
Probably a Brit.
- May 29, 2019
- 8,787
- 9,651
- 18,180
During the race there indeed was some bias detected. Among some prominent commentators. Luckily the road couldn't care less.
- Jan 31, 2016
- 3,611
- 6,033
- 19,180
Some tactically inept bias was displayed but that can happen with any broadcast that has national favorites in the race. Besides, the Brits think Global Cycling is their purview. At least they used to think it was.
- May 29, 2019
- 8,787
- 9,651
- 18,180
@Oldermanish
More then usual i would say. From declaring Evenepoel and after Thomas the overall winner, their opinion, on a numerous occasions. To going as far as declaring things like Rogla will never win a GT again.
Just beyond.
More then usual i would say. From declaring Evenepoel and after Thomas the overall winner, their opinion, on a numerous occasions. To going as far as declaring things like Rogla will never win a GT again.
Just beyond.
- May 29, 2019
- 8,787
- 9,651
- 18,180
TRENDING THREADS
-
-
Milano - Sanremo 2025, one day monument, March 22- Started by Lequack
- Replies: 206
-
Strade Bianche 2025, March 8, one-day classic (men's)- Started by Lequack
- Replies: 922
-
-
Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread- Started by DNP-Old
- Replies: 29K
-
Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread- Started by RedheadDane
- Replies: 11K
-
Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread- Started by Lequack
- Replies: 26K
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram