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[KZD]

Rogla just confirmed in an interview thas he's not riding anything besides the Vuelta this year. No worlds, no Tour, no slovenian championship...

Regardless of whatever calendar he thinks its best until the Vuelta, it would be a waste not to ride Il Lombardia after it.

 

[Miha81]

He is doing his Giro reception here in center of Ljubljana today. Signed a card for my kid

 

[Rackham]

Regardless of whatever calendar he thinks its best until the Vuelta, it would be a waste not to ride Il Lombardia after it.

Same problem as the Tour: Vingegaard.

I know some say it's not a problem & "both can ride together" etc. but clearly it's a problem of sorts because we no longer see them riding together. I'm not even talking about what the riders think of each other, i.e. I'm talking about what the team thinks & wants.

We'll likely hear the same stuff after the Vuelta, i.e. something about Vingegaard having more rest & preparation for the Italian classics whilst Rog will have the full Vuelta in his legs.

 

[Rackham]

Classy:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670850949848367104

View: https://twitter.com/1ddenis1/status/1670850949848367104

 

[acm]

Rogla just confirmed in an interview thas he's not riding anything besides the Vuelta this year. No worlds, no Tour, no slovenian championship...

This is not entirely true. He just said that his next race will be Vuelta. Nothing about Lombardia.

 

[Red Rick]

Same problem as the Tour: Vingegaard.

I know some say it's not a problem & "both can ride together" etc. but clearly it's a problem of sorts because we no longer see them riding together. I'm not even talking about what the riders think of each other, i.e. I'm talking about what the team thinks & wants.

We'll likely hear the same stuff after the Vuelta, i.e. something about Vingegaard having more rest & preparation for the Italian classics whilst Rog will have the full Vuelta in his legs.

Nah.

Fall season is basically when you stop giving a *** about what you planned last December and when you basically just roll with what riders are still good. Vingegaard hasn't exactly earned himself leadership for Lombardia.

 

[Rackham]

Nah.

Fall season is basically when you stop giving a *** about what you planned last December and when you basically just roll with what riders are still good. Vingegaard hasn't exactly earned himself leadership for Lombardia.

Tbh I have personal bias towards Grand Tours anyway, i.e. I find the prospect of a fourth Vuelta way more exciting than Lombardia.

5 GT's on his palmarès would look pretty special.

 

[Red Rick]

Tbh I have personal bias towards Grand Tours anyway, i.e. I find the prospect of a fourth Vuelta way more exciting than Lombardia.

5 GT's on his palmarès would look pretty special.

The main thing is that you can easily go for both. 0 opportunity cost whatsoever. Winning either would be great.

 

[bNator]

Regardless of whatever calendar he thinks its best until the Vuelta, it would be a waste not to ride Il Lombardia after it.

Unless there’s a program to be super focused on the Tour next year. He said in today press conference there’s not that many races left in the calendar that interest him… basically Tour, Tour the Suisse and then some combinations of GTs…

 

[Rackham]

I would think so too… They probably wouldn’t want to risk wasting a spot with him. Ok that is maybe understandable to some extent. However, Rogla is a star, he would bring extra publicity and of course, they would have kept him for the future… And you never know with him - he could turn out to be a real factor in the race. I think the risk of him being really bad during the duration of the race is pretty low and I would imagine he should reach Kruijswijk level with ease…

In any case, I think if they couldn’t come up with agreement this year, I doubt they will next year. He should go…

There was a question about his future:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670856057202024449

View: https://twitter.com/bsirnik/status/1670856057202024449

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670856203193163776

View: https://twitter.com/bsirnik/status/1670856203193163776

 

[bNator]

There was a question about his future:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670856057202024449

View: https://twitter.com/bsirnik/status/1670856057202024449

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670856203193163776

View: https://twitter.com/bsirnik/status/1670856203193163776

Thanks for that. Had to stop watching the conference after 10 minutes to take my kid to Pogi team training - him being a Pog fan which by the way costs 90 EUR per year, bibs and jersey included in the price. Sorry for off-topic

 

[Rackham]

On the 'potential transfer' topic: I think it's pretty clear Rog is very happy at Jumbo... but he also wants to at least 'attempt' to fill in the empty spots in his palmarès. And that obviously means the Tour.

But there's so many variables right now & cycling changes fast. We'll see what happens in the Tour 2023, i.e. we'll also see what happens with Jumbo's sponsorship situation as well (with Jumbo pulling out at the end of 2024 & having expressed a readiness to pull out at the end of this year if a new sponsor is found). Who knows what the team will look like next year & what the people in charge will want.

So I'm just looking forward to the Vuelta now. The route looks good in any case (so many good stomp opportunities).

 

[bNator]

On the 'potential transfer' topic: I think it's pretty clear Rog is very happy at Jumbo... but he also wants to at least 'attempt' to fill in the empty spots in his palmarès. And that obviously means the Tour.

But there's so many variables right now & cycling changes fast. We'll see what happens in the Tour 2023, i.e. we'll also see what happens with Jumbo's sponsorship situation as well (with Jumbo pulling out at the end of 2024 & having expressed a readiness to pull out at the end of this year if a new sponsor is found). Who knows what the team will look like next year & what the people in charge will want.

So I'm just looking forward to the Vuelta now. The route looks good in any case (so many good stomp opportunities).

But this is the first time he hinted he may be forced to seek support elsewhere. I think it's a pretty big deal for a guy like Rogla, who will only say the most obvious of things...

 

[Luthor]

Same problem as the Tour: Vingegaard.

I know some say it's not a problem & "both can ride together" etc. but clearly it's a problem of sorts because we no longer see them riding together. I'm not even talking about what the riders think of each other, i.e. I'm talking about what the team thinks & wants.

We'll likely hear the same stuff after the Vuelta, i.e. something about Vingegaard having more rest & preparation for the Italian classics whilst Rog will have the full Vuelta in his legs.

In 2021 Roglic and Vinge were in the same team in Lombardia. And Jonas really struggles in one-day races. Roglic already said Lombardia is a big goal for him this year. Without Worlds he's gonna be fresher.

 

[bNator]

If Rogla managaes to win the Vuelta or Lomardia or even both, then this will definately not have been a lost season for him. Hell, he might even get the most prestigious awards in the world of cycling for that. His prep will be way more optimal for that than previous years and he won't have been ridden by injury setbacks.

Then if he can't get some assurances of his TDF attendance in 2024, he should switch team. He has to try at least...

 

[Lequack]

He is doing his Giro reception here in center of Ljubljana today. Signed a card for my kid

He even did some singing

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670837365244411906

View: https://twitter.com/Debby_Drckx/status/1670837365244411906

 

[acm]

If Rogla managaes to win the Vuelta or Lomardia or even both, then this will definately not have been a lost season for him. Hell, he might even get the most prestigious awards in the world of cycling for that. His prep will be way more optimal for that than previous years and he won't have been ridden by injury setbacks.

Then if he can't get some assurances of his TDF attendance in 2024, he should switch team. He has to try at least...

By no means will this be a lost season for him. He won Giro, TA and Catalunya.

 

[Rackham]

But this is the first time he hinted he may be forced to seek support elsewhere. I think it's a pretty big deal for a guy like Rogla, who will only say the most obvious of things...

Just my opinion but it was always a possibility at some point in the coming year or so. So I don't think the topic is new (although maybe him mentioning it is).

This possibility became evident last year when the Tour went to sh*t (Jumbo chose Vingegaard > Rog) & then when further reinforced as 'possible' at some point in the near future when Rog chose to go to the Giro 2023 with 100% team leadership role instead of going to the Tour with whatever role Zeeman had in mind (Wout van Aert even said Rog wanted leadership). Then there's the whole sponsorship issue & the fact Jumbo is looking for young stars as well (there's a Matteo Jorgenson rumor going around). Nothing lasts forever so I wouldn't expect a Valverde/Movistar type 'commitment for life' based on the past couple of seasons.

But first (& more importantly): celebrate Giro, then do Vuelta. Vamos a la Playa & play with UAE's new super kid Ayuso & perhaps a rematch with Evenepoel. Sounds potentially epic tbh.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I suppose Primoz wanted a protected rider position so JV not agreeing on that is strange. Rogla showed in the past he's able to ride two GTs in succession and he would be a great addition to the team (even if unable to fight for the victory). OTOH I'm glad Pog won't have to deal with the double-headed JV dragon.

 

[bNator]

I suppose Primoz wanted a protected rider position so JV not agreeing on that is strange. Rogla showed in the past he's able to ride two GTs in succession and he would be a great addition to the team (even if unable to fight for the victory). OTOH I'm glad Pog won't have to deal with the double-headed JV dragon.

Me too👍

 

[Red Rick]

I suppose Primoz wanted a protected rider position so JV not agreeing on that is strange. Rogla showed in the past he's able to ride two GTs in succession and he would be a great addition to the team (even if unable to fight for the victory). OTOH I'm glad Pog won't have to deal with the double-headed JV dragon.

To me it sounds like Jumbo had long basically always planned for Giro/Vuelta for Roglic. They seem confident Vingegaard can take Pogacar 1v1.

IIRC, Roglic was pretty clear going to the Giro was his own choice, and I really doubt he wouldn't have gotten co leadership at the Tour de France, even if it's not the #1 bib.

 

[bNator]

To me it sounds like Jumbo had long basically always planned for Giro/Vuelta for Roglic. They seem confident Vingegaard can take Pogacar 1v1.

IIRC, Roglic was pretty clear going to the Giro was his own choice, and I really doubt he wouldn't have gotten co leadership at the Tour de France, even if it's not the #1 bib.

Ok but he said so himself today. That he wanted to go to the Tour and couldn’t come to an agreement with his team. This is not just a speculation anymore…

Edit: I suspect Rogla's hard of hearing because me myself I'm hard of hearing and his lip reading attempts look all too familiar. And since I have not met the answer in question in any of the transcriptions, I went and checked again to make double sure I'm not misleading anyone. So I rewatched the tape and made the transcription myself.

In Slovenian:
Tako bom povedal, čisto odkrito. Nisem planiral Toura v letošnji sezoni. Konec koncev tudi nisem Tirrena planiral, pa sem potem vskočil. Recimo po končanem Giru sem tudi glede Toura, kako bi rekel, imel neko željo ali pa pomisleke da mogoče pa bi bilo fino še malo v Francijo it na "dopust" ampak ja - nismo mogli zaradi vseh okoliščin prit skupaj s timom in bo, tako kot sem rekel, moja naslednja dirka dirka po Španiji.

And translated by Chat GPT:
This is how I'll say it, completely honestly. I didn't plan a Tour in this season. In the end, I didn't even plan the Tirreno , but then I jumped in. Let's say, after finishing the Giro, I also had some desire or perhaps temptations about the Tour, thinking it would be nice to go to France for a "vacation," but yeah - due to all the circumstances, we couldn't come together with the team, so my next race, as I said (here Chat GPT clearly has no idea what they're talking about. Its "like I said" not "as I said" ), will be the Vuelta a España.

So it's true his inital plan was the Giro. Here we are of course free to speculate he may have been forced by the team, but that's a mere speculation. But it is now a fact he changed his mind after the Giro and wanted to do the Tour but can't due to the team. As per what status he requested we are again free to speculate. I would however assume since he mentioned "vacation" it surely couldn't have been the sole leader role he was after...

 

[Luthor]

There was a question about his future:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670856057202024449

View: https://twitter.com/bsirnik/status/1670856057202024449

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670856203193163776

View: https://twitter.com/bsirnik/status/1670856203193163776

If TJV doesn't support him fully for TDF 2024 I can see him going for Ineos or even Lidl-Trek who said they want GC guys and they have the money to do it. A buy-out is necessary since he has contract until 2025.

 

[Blanco]

Same problem as the Tour: Vingegaard.

I know some say it's not a problem & "both can ride together" etc. but clearly it's a problem of sorts because we no longer see them riding together. I'm not even talking about what the riders think of each other, i.e. I'm talking about what the team thinks & wants.

We'll likely hear the same stuff after the Vuelta, i.e. something about Vingegaard having more rest & preparation for the Italian classics whilst Rog will have the full Vuelta in his legs.

Vuelta is the best preparation for Lombardia, many riders said this, Nibali included.
Roglic, if he wants to ride there, and I suppose he want, will not give a damn about Vingegaard and will do his own race.

 

[Blanco]

If TJV doesn't support him fully for TDF 2024 I can see him going for Ineos or even Lidl-Trek who said they want GC guys and they have the money to do it. A buy-out is necessary since he has contract until 2025.

Bahrain could come into play, Milan Erzen pull the strings there...