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Watching that doc, I can't understand why Wout doesn't find a new team.

Imagine you being that hot for the entirety of the race and you have to beg to ride your own chances again and again. My gosh.
Again, that's the narrative the documentary makers create. It's storytelling, you can edit anything the way you want to. Not to spoil anything but in the final episode you can see the big emotional conclusion when Vingegaard hands Van Aert the win in the time trial. That's what this story line has been working towards.
 
Again, that's the narrative the documentary makers create. It's storytelling, you can edit anything the way you want to. Not to spoil anything but in the final episode you can see the big emotional conclusion when Vingegaard hands Van Aert the win in the time trial. That's what this story line has been working towards.
Except that Vingegaard didn't hand Van Aert anything in the time trial. At 4k from the finish Vingegaard was already 6 seconds behind Van Aert according to the GPS. Vingegaard was still going all out that the time, since at 2.5km from the finish he nearly went wide in a corner and barely escaped a crash. After that, he took his foot off the gas and lost an additional 15 seconds in the final 2.5k. The intermediate times support this. Vingegaard took 8.5 seconds at T1, and after that, Wout started taking time back the rest of the TT. At the beginning of the final part, meaning at T3, Vingegaard's gap had shrunk to 1.3 seconds.

So indeed, it's the narrative people make, but it ain't what actually happened.
 
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Except that Vingegaard didn't hand Van Aert anything in the time trial. At 4k from the finish Vingegaard was already 6 seconds behind Van Aert according to the GPS. Vingegaard was still going all out that the time, since at 2.5km from the finish he nearly went wide in a corner and barely escaped a crash. After that, he took his foot off the gas and lost an additional 15 seconds in the final 2.5k. The intermediate times support this. Vingegaard took 8.5 seconds at T1, and after that, Wout started taking time back the rest of the TT. At the beginning of the final part, meaning at T3, Vingegaard's gap had shrunk to 1.3 seconds.

So indeed, it's the narrative people make, but it ain't what actually happened.
Of course you're free to believe what you want to believe, but Vingegaard clearly and deliberately soft-pedaled the final climb and finished 2nd on 19 seconds... let's just say he would have been quite close otherwise. Van Aert knows this.
 
Of course you're free to believe what you want to believe, but Vingegaard clearly and deliberately soft-pedaled the final climb and finished 2nd on 19 seconds... let's just say he would have been quite close otherwise. Van Aert knows this.
omg lol
Van Aert often starts slower, to finish fast. The only time i can remember him messing that up was the 2021 WCC TT. Vingegaard did not clearly and deliberately softpedal anything besides the final 2.5k, or he wouldn't be taking risks in the descent that nearly saw his yellow dream go up in smoke. And as the GPS showed, he was already behind at that point by 6s. If there was one point he should have softpedalled it would have been the descent, to avoid crashes and taking risks. Yet he nearly crashed, which was why he got spooked and took his foot off the gas but he was already behind Van Aert.

After T1, Van Aert had been faster in section 2, section 3 AND section 4. So it's not just "on the final climb" that Van Aert took time back. Vingegaard started too fast and couldn't keep up the pace. It's clear as day in the intermediate times, just like in the Dauphiné. As i explained to you, most of the time at the finish, he lost AFTER nearly crashing, roughly 14 seconds in the final 2.5km. Which clearly shows THAT was the point he started to hold back. But of course, you are free to believe any delusions you wish to believe. The GPS and the intermediate times show that even on the penultimate climb, he had lost time to Van Aert as he was trailing by 6 seconds after that climb, yet he was still 1 second ahead at T3. That's 7 seconds he lost in the first part of section 4, before nearly crashing in the descent, after which he lost an additional 14 or so seconds. So even if he didn't softpedal the final 2.5k, he wasn't going to win that TT, or he wouldn't have been bleeding time ever since T1.

Here you can check the intermediate times that support my claim. Here you can see the image of Vingegaard trailing 6s already at 4k from the finish. Here you can see Vingegaard nearly crashing 2.5k from the finish.
 
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So on Monday, 19 June 2023 at 18.30 a reception for the Giro champion will be held in Ljubljana. A hour before that Primož will be available to the media. Likely the plan for the remainder of the 2023 season will be revealed.

 
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So on Monday, 19 June 2023 at 18.30 a reception for the Giro champion will be held in Ljubljana. A hour before that Primož will be available to the media. Likely the plan for the remainder of the 2023 season will be revealed.

That plan should involve barbeques with family and friends....and beer.
 
I wanted him to ride Tour the Suisse tbh. He would have won it with one leg...

I don't follow ToS in detail. Reading about it i see that Remco is struggling in form. This is something most riders can't avoid in the same season and after doing a GT.

So i always find it rather amusing, on how without any actual proof, mere assumptions are made, on how the three youngsters could win two GTs per year. On the other hand and when it comes to Roglič. The idea he can't win one per year is usually trending.

Considering Rogla actually has a good track record in finishing high on 2 GTs per year. As for ToS it will be interesting to see on why he skipped it. Was it due to emptying himself at Giro. Or some other idea was behind this decision. We'll soon find out.
 
If he were in Giro form. Which is a very hard thing to do.
Riders come out of a GT in different conditions. Rogla was obviously getting better and better towards the end of the race and finished very strong. He is also no stranger to performing well after a finished GT and has a history of being able to hold his form for a long time. There are also a lot of examples of other riders holding their Giro form into Dauphine or TdS in the past.

Also considering the level of the race doesn't seem that high and with riders basically taking turns in performing well and not so well, I think he wouldn't have too much trouble in adding another GC victory to his account.

But it's ok this way. The race is interesting and it's nice to see some 2nd tier riders to battle for an important win. With Rogla out Keldermann was given freedom to go for GC and he is performing very well so far. In the meantime Rogla is preparing the master plan for the 2nd half of the season, which will be known to public on monday.
 
Everything about Roglic is unusually quiet these days, I think we're gonna witness some shock news this Sunday.
I think he's going to the Tour.

If this is true... then Rogla has been honey trapped. I mean just take a look at this blatant flirtation:


Translation: "You're my BFF Primož... now get on the front & ride for me!".
 
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