Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Divergence]

JV could have left Rog in Dauphine last year and you know it. What you disregard is Vingegaards progression the last two years. We saw an exceptional Pogacar in the tour last year, but he never managed to drop Vingegaard, instead Vingegaard dropped Pog twice. The other contenders weren't even close, not even GT who Rogla barely managed to beat in the Giro this year.

And this year JV have shown an incredible level since Basque contry. He just rides away when he feels like it, never seen Rogla been that dominant.

In the Dauphiné last year Vingegaard had to hold back so he wouldn't drop Roglic... I'll ignore Planche des Belles Filles because Roglic wasn't at his best there.

I think being a Roglic fan should not make you blind to the man's limitations. There's no way Roglic does what Vingo did on Granon last year or Marie-Blanque yesterday. It's not his style and it's not where his strength lies.

I wrote somewhere before that at one stage at the Dauphine Jonas was stronger, but also Rog was having knee problems.
I honestly believe that a peak Rogla is a better GT rider than Jonas. The problem for Rogla have been the many times he has had bad luck or was taken out by someone.
At the Giro he was pretty hurt by his own admission and he came to some semblance of a form only on the last TT.
I do not like to do this but if you extrapolate from the last TT had he been not hurt he could have easily won by 5min over anybody.
Let us just hope we get to see a peak Rogla with no misfortunes as the next year's Tour and then we can judge.

 

[acm]

And how often have we seen Rogla riding away from Pog and gaining more than 30s on him?

TBF they don't really ride the same races anymore...

 

[Tem]

I think being a Roglic fan should not make you blind to the man's limitations. There's no way Roglic does what Vingo did on Granon last year or Marie-Blanque yesterday. It's not his style and it's not where his strength lies.

This.

I count myself as huge Roglič fan and i think he is one of the best riders in the world not to mention his grit and fighting spirit.. but when climbing is involved Vige is head and shoulders above any rider imo. At least in his current state and form. I cant imagine any1 keeping up with him right now.

 

[Trofonios]

I wrote somewhere before that at one stage at the Dauphine Jonas was stronger, but also Rog was having knee problems.
I honestly believe that a peak Rogla is a better GT rider than Jonas. The problem for Rogla have been the many times he has had bad luck or was taken out by someone.
At the Giro he was pretty hurt by his own admission and he came to some semblance of a form only on the last TT.
I do not like to do this but if you extrapolate from the last TT had he been not hurt he could have easily won by 5min over anybody.
Let us just hope we get to see a peak Rogla with no misfortunes as the next year's Tour and then we can judge.

Please. The day before the TT he took 3s on GT on Tri Cime. Was his shape the day after all of sudden so much better? That the last TT would suit a lighter Rogla better than GT was a given.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Hope is on the horizon

Vingegaards wife talking about Jonas doing the Giro-Tour double (actually talks about the triple)

Triple in one year?
Skeletor will arrive at the Giro fat (can you imagine that?) and out of form. He will lose some time early but by week 3 he'll reach 70%, so enough to beat those wannabes in the mountains.
Then he will arrive at the Tour in superb form but will only ride below his anaerobic threshold (no hard breathing) to save himself for the Vuelta. Needless to say, he will win it anyway (if necessary, he will drop a 10-minute watt bomb to get rid of unexpectedly strong rivals).
At the Vuelta, before he feels cumulated fatigue, he will crush rivals in the first week with a historical, thermonuclear performance and then just trying to hold on to Kuss' wheel for the remaining two weeks.

 

[Divergence]

Please. The day before the TT he took 3s on GT on Tri Cime. Was his shape the day after all of sudden so much better? That the last TT would suit a lighter Rogla better than GT was a given.

He said he had problems with his injuries at the end of stages, therefore he was not the strongest at the end of each stage. The ITT is quite a bit shorter than a road stage, hence his dominance.

 

[perico]

Roglič has dropped Pog before on a climb. In 2020 he dropped him on Loze (anecdotal & a few years ago, maybe, but it did happen). He also dropped Evenepoel on stage 8 of the recent Giro. There's numerous examples.

The point about Kelderman is he's in the Tour as mountain domestique, yet Rog is clearly superior. The issue for Jumbo is how do they take a better rider than Kelderman & fit him into the team, aka a rider who also wants some protection & status for himself? That's probably what they couldn't agree on after the Giro (i.e. when Rog said he discussed doing the Tour but couldn't reach an agreement with the team).

If that question cannot be solved in the autumn (when they start to establish the season goals for next year), then it might be time to say goodbye to Jumbo. And regarding the performance scientists at Jumbo, I'm simply saying we have examples where their data wasn't omnipotent, i.e. there's an element of 'unknown' in all sporting performances which teams cannot accurately predict.

It means if Rog is on a good day & Vinge has a bad day (like Pog had yesterday, or like Vingegaard himself had in Paris-Nice in March), then suddenly the tables are turned. It's why we keep on watching, basically. I mean there's still 'uncertainty' in this sport, no matter how people like to talk about numbers & treat the science like gospel.

Evenpoel isn’t on the same level as Pog or Jonas in the mountains (plus he had COVID when he was dropped by Roglic in the Giro).

Roglic is a hell of a rider and I like the guy, but he’s pushing 34 years old and even if he is able to sustain his level longer due to his late start to his career, he’s not going to get better than he has been in the past at his age.

If he wants to win the TdF, has has to leave Jumbo at the end of this year, and would probably need to sign with (I hate this idea) Skineos with an agreement in place having all their GT resources behind him for July. They can afford to buy out the contract.

 

[cellardoor]

And just like that, Roglic is back in the hunt for Tour leadership next year

 

[Rackham]

And just like that, Roglic is back in the hunt for Tour leadership next year

Yep. I love this sport! haha

 

[Valv.Piti]

I hate to break it to you guys - I know you're joking as well - but Roglic is just way too limited in the high mountains to have any chance against these two monsters. Just as just about every rider in the world whether that's Evenepoel, Mas, Hindley, Ayuso, Thomas or whatever.

No chance when they race like this. Absolutely no chance.

 

[Divergence]

He was never out of it. There are not many people who were with me on this but I have been saying that prime Rog is the best rider out there and I hope more people realize that now.
But I still think he should change teams, it is a huge stab in the back when you are the best in your team and they still deny you a spot on the TdF team

 

[Peyroteo94]

Roglic is in the league of Hindley, Remco and Thomas. Two steps below the 2 monsters

 

[Netserk]

Rogla would have allowed a Galibier scenario to play out on Tourmalet. Far easier for Vingegaard to attack with a counter.

 

[Rackham]

Roglic is in the league of Hindley, Remco and Thomas. Two steps below the 2 monsters

Monte Lussari must be something I just imagined then (i.e. put a minute into everyone on the climb without the mechanical). Also, considering how good Sepp Kuss looked on the Tourmalet, where do you rate Kuss versus Rog?

Rogla has always been underrated to a comical degree, i.e. something which I've gotten used to by now.

 

[zlev11]

Monte Lussari must be something I just imagined then (i.e. put a minute into everyone on the climb without the mechanical). Also, considering how good Sepp Kuss looked on the Tourmalet, where do you rate Kuss versus Rog?

Rogla has always been underrated to a comical degree, i.e. something which I've gotten used to by now.

yes, I think people are thrown off by his last two grand tours, which he was not riding 100% in either (injured before the Vuelta and during the Giro).

who remembers his insane ride to Covadonga in the 2021 Vuelta? not me, that's one of my favorite stages of any race ever. that was as impressive as Vingegaard and Pogacar today, if not better. looking at his numbers on the last mountain stage of Catalunya this year, he would be right with them.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Roglic is in the league of Hindley, Remco and Thomas. Two steps below the 2 monsters

Dude, you keep writing nonsense after nonsense...before Pogi's attack you said he was dead. Why do you think people will listen to you without any argument if you just keep writing obnoxious statements?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Dude, you keep writing nonsense after nonsense...before Pogi's attack you said he was dead. Why do you think people will listen to you without any argument if you just keep writing obnoxious statements?

Put me on your Ignore list. You will be happier.

 

[acm]

Roglic is in the league of Hindley, Remco and Thomas. Two steps below the 2 monsters

Yeah right

 

[Gargamel35]

Put me on your Ignore list. You will be happier.

Nah, troll like you will be removed. Reported.

 

[RedheadDane]

Nah, troll like you will be removed. Reported.

Hopefully he's not gonna get banned for not thinking Roglic is all that great...

 

[Red Rick]

Look guys, if I banned people for bad takes I would've banned myself ages ago.

 

[Salvarani]

Rogla would have allowed a Galibier scenario to play out on Tourmalet. Far easier for Vingegaard to attack with a counter.

That was the recipe.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm not trolling. Prime Roglic was obviously better than Hindley but I think Roglic is not the same anymore. In fact, he suffered a lot to beat Thomas in the Giro. And this is the same Thomas who was losing 1/2 minutes in each mountain stage to Vingegaard.

 

[meat puppet]

While Pog and Vingo are having a factual rematch on the road, both have less active threads than this one.

I lauded the counterfactual rematch here already last year but this is even better.

 

[Carols]

Hope is on the horizon

Vingegaards wife talking about Jonas doing the Giro-Tour double (actually talks about the triple)

Well he can do them, doubt he'd win both!