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[Skijumper Roglic fan]

With Vingegaard and Pogacar both not at 100% of their best shape at this year’s TdF, this 2023 TdF would have been THE chance for Primoz to win a TdF.

He‘s always best when he rides Vuelta directly after TdF. He‘s better at the second GT of two GTs in a row.

I think, if he would have ridden 2023 Tour, he would have won it. So he would have won the Giro-Tour double, and could have thought about a Vuelta start afterwards, to even go for the triple.

As it went now, he lost a full summer of racing. He‘ll then go for a fourth Vuelta win, which IMHO is not really interesting. Sadly, besides Vuelta, he obviously won‘t race in autumn, at all.

For 2024, the team should go with Vingegaard for Giro and Vuelta, and Roglic for TdF. Vingegaard already won the TdF, he still needs Giro and Vuelta victories.

Primoz had an incredible spring in 2023 - I‘d never imagined he would be this good. He dominated Tirreno, Catalunya and Giro. Why not use this shape, this euphoria, to go on for TdS, TdF, Vuelta and Lombardia?

I hope he‘ll win TdS, TdF and Il Lombardia, next year. Then he won all GTs, all nine major tours, LBL and Lombardia - and then he can switch to Sagan mode, and do what he wants to do, for pleasure: go for San Remo, RVV and Roubaix, WC RR and ITT, and ride what he wants to ride…

After all the times Grischa Niermann spent with Primoz, Grischa now will want to win the TdF again - this time with Primoz.

 

[Gigs_98]

Lmao, people are actually watching Pog and Vingegaard obliterating their competition day in and day out thinking "man, this would have been Primoz' year". Guys, your boy just scraped past 37 y.o. Geraint Thomas to win the Giro. Celebrate, don't make fools of yourselves.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I believe prime Rog beats Pog today.

A post which got 3 completely disillusioned likes. How?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Lmao, people are actually watching Pog and Vingegaard obliterating their competition day in and day out thinking "man, this would have been Primoz' year". Guys, your boy just scraped past 37 y.o. Geraint Thomas to win the Giro. Celebrate, don't make fools of yourselves.

I consider myself an hardcore Primoz fan and I think he wouldn't win it because he was in the Giro. I think he has a chance depending on the profile and even though he faces these two aliens.

 

[johnymax]

Lmao, people are actually watching Pog and Vingegaard obliterating their competition day in and day out thinking "man, this would have been Primoz' year". Guys, your boy just scraped past 37 y.o. Geraint Thomas to win the Giro. Celebrate, don't make fools of yourselves.

I've done my calculations... Rogla would have been sitting in 3rd place at 31 seconds from Pogi with still a realistic shot at winning.

If anyone is interested... Remco would have been in 26th place right now, just behind his friend Wout.

My calculations are usually right, in fact they are right 93% of the time.

 

[Rackham]

I consider myself an hardcore Primoz fan and I think he wouldn't win it because he was in the Giro. I think he has a chance depending on the profile and even though he faces these two aliens.

Yes. Forget this season & any possible comparisons versus Vinge & Pog, i.e. the Giro was his goal. He literally went hiking up Monte Lussari in the winter, i.e. that's the race he aimed for & that's what he got.

I'm not going to insert him into daydreamed scenarios about this Tour but I'll say by & large he's vastly underestimated & if (a big if) he can stay healthy & has a team which employs decent tactics, he can do something in the Tour. So I'm a firm believer he can still win it some day. Or at least be in the fight.

 

[Peter von]

I consider myself an hardcore Primoz fan and I think he wouldn't win it because he was in the Giro. I think he has a chance depending on the profile and even though he faces these two aliens.

It's tough to say, the crashes is a big fog of war in this. He could still be an alien himself if he stays on his bike for 3 weeks. His final TT in the Giro was pretty stellar, so if we accept that he wasn't on 100% it looks pretty good for him and one more shot at the Tour in 2024 is logical next move for Rogi Bear. But then again, you could argue he struggled too much against GT.

I still think that Roglic is the only non Pogi/Vinge that has a chance of being a factor against this pair atm.

 

[Divergence]

A post which got 3 completely disillusioned likes. How?

Hh, maybe you should stick to writing in Danish.
I will tell you how. He is a better rider than the one currently wearing yellow. That is how. Maybe Jonas fans should stop being delusional and realize he is not the monster they thought he is.

 

[Divergence]

It's tough to say, the crashes is a big fog of war in this. He could still be an alien himself if he stays on his bike for 3 weeks. His final TT in the Giro was pretty stellar, so if we accept that he wasn't on 100% it looks pretty good for him and one more shot at the Tour in 2024 is logical next move for Rogi Bear. But then again, you could argue he struggled too much against GT.

I still think that Roglic is the only non Pogi/Vinge that has a chance of being a factor against this pair atm.

He can focus on the Tour every year from now on and I believe he can be at the highest level at least until he is 38 years old. He just needs a team.

 

[SHAD0W93]

All I want is Pog vs Vinge vs Evenepoel vs Roglic at 100%. It would in theory be a four headed race and open up a lot of possibilities for each rider to try and counter.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Oh my lord, just hope to see Pogacar winning the Tour and Vingegaard decides to do the Giro next year just to see Roglic being demolished by Pogacar. This is getting out of hand, 2 aliens are completly in their own league and some people pretending Roglic would have a chance. Prime Roglic was beaten by a young Pogacar. Since 2020 Pogacar has improved a lot both in gt's (mountains, TT) and classics.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Hh, maybe you should stick to writing in Danish.
I will tell you how. He is a better rider than the one currently wearing yellow. That is how. Maybe Jonas fans should stop being delusional and realize he is not the monster they thought he is.

Oh my lord, this must be trolling.
And I thought one Taxus was enough...

 

[Valv.Piti]

Hh, maybe you should stick to writing in Danish.
I will tell you how. He is a better rider than the one currently wearing yellow. That is how. Maybe Jonas fans should stop being delusional and realize he is not the monster they thought he is.

Autocorrect - my bad - but I think you got the point!

The numbers from Pog and Vingegaard are out of this world at the moment. Meanwhile, Roglic struggled with very mediocre competition in Italy. I just can't get it through my head how some people seriously think Roglic is better than Jonas and Pogacar in TdF. He had his chance in 2020, and they blew it riding too conservative..

 

[Blobs]

With Vingegaard and Pogacar both not at 100% of their best shape at this year’s TdF, this 2023 TdF would have been THE chance for Primoz to win a TdF.

Wat. They're doing their best ever numbers. How are they not 100%

 

[Carols]

With Vingegaard and Pogacar both not at 100% of their best shape at this year’s TdF, this 2023 TdF would have been THE chance for Primoz to win a TdF.

He‘s always best when he rides Vuelta directly after TdF. He‘s better at the second GT of two GTs in a row.

I think, if he would have ridden 2023 Tour, he would have won it. So he would have won the Giro-Tour double, and could have thought about a Vuelta start afterwards, to even go for the triple.

As it went now, he lost a full summer of racing. He‘ll then go for a fourth Vuelta win, which IMHO is not really interesting. Sadly, besides Vuelta, he obviously won‘t race in autumn, at all.

For 2024, the team should go with Vingegaard for Giro and Vuelta, and Roglic for TdF. Vingegaard already won the TdF, he still needs Giro and Vuelta victories.

Primoz had an incredible spring in 2023 - I‘d never imagined he would be this good. He dominated Tirreno, Catalunya and Giro. Why not use this shape, this euphoria, to go on for TdS, TdF, Vuelta and Lombardia?

I hope he‘ll win TdS, TdF and Il Lombardia, next year. Then he won all GTs, all nine major tours, LBL and Lombardia - and then he can switch to Sagan mode, and do what he wants to do, for pleasure: go for San Remo, RVV and Roubaix, WC RR and ITT, and ride what he wants to ride…

After all the times Grischa Niermann spent with Primoz, Grischa now will want to win the TdF again - this time with Primoz.

No Offense but all he had to say after the Giro is 'I'm tired, I need a holiday". And that is exactly what he did. I'm sure he didn't have enough reserves or time to recover to take on the Tour after that Giro. The Giro was Hard, he is 34 and Pogi and Vingo are monsters. Good decision to shoot for the Vuelta. The last time there was a Giro/Vuelta winner was 2008 by Alberto Contador. Do it Primoz!

 

[Blanco]

Autocorrect - my bad - but I think you got the point!

The numbers from Pog and Vingegaard are out of this world at the moment. Meanwhile, Roglic struggled with very mediocre competition in Italy. I just can't get it through my head how some people seriously think Roglic is better than Jonas and Pogacar in TdF. He had his chance in 2020, and they blew it riding too conservative..

Aren't Remco's numbers at Vuelta last year also out of this world?
Aren't Remco's and Roglic numbers from Catalunya supposedly highest numbers of the year?
Aren't Roglic Monte Lussari numbers also out of this world?
Numbers doesn't mean jackshit!

 

[Elos Anjos]

Oh my lord, just hope to see Pogacar winning the Tour and Vingegaard decides to do the Giro next year just to see Roglic being demolished by Pogacar. This is getting out of hand, 2 aliens are completly in their own league and some people pretending Roglic would have a chance. Prime Roglic was beaten by a young Pogacar. Since 2020 Pogacar has improved a lot both in gt's (mountains, TT) and classics.

Not prime Primoz, He had a serious crash in the Dauphine that he was leading and didn't have any proper TT training. Also, Pogacar was an underdog and he very cleverly used that as a decoy.

Wat. They're doing their best ever numbers. How are they not 100%

You either laugh or ignore it.

 

[Rackham]

Autocorrect - my bad - but I think you got the point!

The numbers from Pog and Vingegaard are out of this world at the moment. Meanwhile, Roglic struggled with very mediocre competition in Italy. I just can't get it through my head how some people seriously think Roglic is better than Jonas and Pogacar in TdF. He had his chance in 2020, and they blew it riding too conservative..

The Giro is a tricky one to assess due to some factors like the extreme weather + the stitches he had on his left leg after the crash which took out Tao GH.

And that's the issue with Rog, i.e. injuries & little niggles which undermine his real potential. Like his knee injury during Itzulia last year which resulted in a late preparation for the Tour. Then his pre-existing shoulder problem on top of the crashes he suffered during the Tour & Vuelta which made matters worse.

So if he doesn't crash in a GT & has a good preparation, then we'll see if his numbers from Lo Port & Monte Lussari can be replicated in the TdF next year. And we will find out, i.e. considering Rog wants to do the Tour next year.

So wait & see. And regarding numbers, everyone is doing crazy big numbers now (I even saw some data from Vayer last week which said Gaudu did 454 watts on Marie Blanque). I'm obviously not blind, i.e. Pog & Vinge are at an insanely high level. But it's just a fact we've also seen Roglič do insanely high level stuff as well. It's just never come together for him in the Tour before (even in 2020, he'd crashed hard in the Dauphiné two weeks prior & that had hurt his prep).

 

[KZD]

All I want is Pog vs Vinge vs Evenepoel vs Roglic at 100%. It would in theory be a four headed race and open up a lot of possibilities for each rider to try and counter.

+Ayuso, all five in the Tour next year.

 

[Divergence]

Autocorrect - my bad - but I think you got the point!

The numbers from Pog and Vingegaard are out of this world at the moment. Meanwhile, Roglic struggled with very mediocre competition in Italy. I just can't get it through my head how some people seriously think Roglic is better than Jonas and Pogacar in TdF. He had his chance in 2020, and they blew it riding too conservative..

OK this is a more reasonable post. Sure Rog did not look great at the Giro but he crashed 3 times. The last TT was quite good.
Additionally, he said it himself during the post Giro press conference in Slovenia that he wanted to do the Tour but the team did not let him. At that point going on a holiday seems the best option . In any case, had he gone to the Tour, I believe he could have won with more than 50% probability. Also, Vingo has been better than almost healthy Rog exactly once in his life, so there is that.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Wat. They're doing their best ever numbers. How are they not 100%

Right? One week in and they have over 4 minutes on anyone who wasn't gifted time in a break. I shudder to think what the gaps might be at this point if they were at their best.

 

[Carols]

Aren't Remco's numbers at Vuelta last year also out of this world?
Aren't Remco's and Roglic numbers from Catalunya supposedly highest numbers of the year?
Aren't Roglic Monte Lussari numbers also out of this world?
Numbers doesn't mean jackshit!

They mean you have the engine. But there is a lot more to cycling than having a big engine.

 

[Elos Anjos]

+Ayuso, all five in the Tour next year.

The kid has even won a GT and got 3rd with a very depleted field, so let's hold our horses.

 

[ppanther92]

All I want is Pog vs Vinge vs Evenepoel vs Roglic at 100%. It would in theory be a four headed race and open up a lot of possibilities for each rider to try and counter.

I want that as well and it might happen if Roglic goes to Ineos. But at the same time I am pretty convinced Pog and Vingegaard will be well above Roglic and Evenepoel. I think they made that pretty clear with their huge gap to Thomas, who himself had a huge gap to the rest.

 

[theyoungest]

OK this is a more reasonable post. Sure Rog did not look great at the Giro but he crashed 3 times. The last TT was quite good.
Additionally, he said it himself during the post Giro press conference in Slovenia that he wanted to do the Tour but the team did not let him. At that point going on a holiday seems the best option . In any case, had he gone to the Tour, I believe he could have won with more than 50% probability. Also, Vingo has been better than almost healthy Rog exactly once in his life, so there is that.

Do you actually think that if they thought Roglic had more chance than Vingegaard to win the Tour, they wouldn't have gone with Roglic? I'm trying to understand your logic here.

Some Roglic fans think Jumbo are actively trying to sabotage his career. And I'm just wondering, why? It's like a conspiracy theory, it may sound attractive at first but when you think a little you realize that it's utter nonsense.

To say he had won with more than 50% probability is just completely delusional.