- Apr 30, 2011
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I believe he was slightly better than Vingegaard today, but the margin wasn't very big.
What's important to pay attention to IMO is that once they got to Vallter they didn't even take much time back on Kuss anymore. They probably did crazy watts from 4km to 2km to go and then they were all exploding a little bit, but to I'm inclined to give it to the guy that did the most aggressive first split.
What's important to pay attention to IMO is that once they got to Vallter they didn't even take much time back on Kuss anymore. They probably did crazy watts from 4km to 2km to go and then they were all exploding a little bit, but to I'm inclined to give it to the guy that did the most aggressive first split.
Cookster15
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- May 14, 2011
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Roglic looked great, perfectly executed plan by Jumbo and they don't even have to defend the red jersey. I hope he stays this level and he can dream.
But Primoz is still 6 seconds behind his teammate on GC. Hard to see where he would gain time on Vingegaard, but he's in good form and initiated the attack today so that's a big plus.
But Primoz is still 6 seconds behind his teammate on GC. Hard to see where he would gain time on Vingegaard, but he's in good form and initiated the attack today so that's a big plus.
In good form Roglic could gain it in a couple of stomps. Vingegaard may also fade.
- Jun 11, 2021
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First time he dropped all opponents (not counting his teammate) this year. Looked the most comfortable as well, bodes well for future stages and there's enough spots to stomp a couple of seconds back here and there.
- Feb 20, 2012
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I just rewatched and in the final it really looks to me like he's checking if Vingegaard is holding his wheel. You see Ayuso almost coming back and then after it flattens out and gets easier he just increases the pace again and puts the extra time into Ayuso. It really reminded me of Plateau de Solaison last year when Roglic was struggling to hold the wheel but Rog still did a few turns.
- Aug 28, 2021
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I think to win the TdF, the best thing Primoz can do is to stay at Jumbo.
He seems to have a great relationship to Vingegaard. He knows the team 100%. He has Sepp Kuss here. He has domestiques like van Aert.
To win the Tour, he has to be better than Jonas, anyways. And Jonas is 100% loyal teamplayer. If Primoz proves to be stronger, Jonas will accept this and 100% be Primoz‘ key domestique to enable Primoz to win „his“ Tour, finally.
He seems to have a great relationship to Vingegaard. He knows the team 100%. He has Sepp Kuss here. He has domestiques like van Aert.
To win the Tour, he has to be better than Jonas, anyways. And Jonas is 100% loyal teamplayer. If Primoz proves to be stronger, Jonas will accept this and 100% be Primoz‘ key domestique to enable Primoz to win „his“ Tour, finally.
- Jul 16, 2015
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Yes, with the fact he attacked from further out meaning he felt good as well. And I mean 'good' in a way he didn't feel there was a danger he could take a counter attack from anyone & ship time.
Very promising stuff.
- May 29, 2019
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- Jan 11, 2010
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It was Vingegaard who dropped Mas though. I think there wasn't much between Roglic and Vingegaard today. Actually this is probably the Vingegaard you might expect, quite a bit below his Tour level but still good enough for the Vuelta.
It's great to see Roglic at this level though, and a bit surprising after his crash.
- Mar 20, 2022
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But where are you living? In what world will Roglic be stronger than Vingegaard in the Tour?
- Nov 12, 2010
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- Jun 1, 2015
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Roglic doesn’t attack. Except when he does. Stage 14 and 16 in last years Vuelta - both big, exciting attacks. Stage 8 in this year’s Giro. Stage 6 of this Vuelta. Vaya, Primoz!
- Jul 18, 2020
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- Aug 10, 2023
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I agree with you, especially if Jonas wins the Vuelta. Then Jonas can ride the Giro. If he should win the Giro he would have his own triple crown. I know that this is very, very hypothetical, but if it works out, Primoz could have complete team support for the Tour!
- Sep 12, 2022
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Not going to happen, as in Vingegaard will always go to the TDF at 100%
- May 1, 2014
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Unless Vingo decides he wants to keep hold of his trophies.
- Nov 16, 2013
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He is living in his own world as is demonstrated with every single post. Honestly, I just scroll past his posts now (and don't know what you've responded to).
- Jul 7, 2013
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So it still comes to being better than Jonas at the Tour. Not an easy task as Teddy Merckx found out! Grischa shouts a password, Jonas can't believe his computer and then everybody else is doomed!
Vingegaard is scarily good. I also think he was significantly below his Tour level yet he easily bridged up to Roglic, who put in a serious dig on a brutally hard stage. That said, it's not clear if Jonas is on an upward or downward trajectory in form. If upward, watch out...
- May 29, 2019
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Lets rather do Vuelta first and after to think about the Tour. Who knows as there migth be Giro in between too. Rogla is now one proper stomp behing main favorites and that should suit him rather well. And in the end this is week one of a GT. Long way to go. From what i seen so far the team support can still improve and on individual level he is already improving. Bottom line there are still reserves and it's not like the current level is not impressive already.
- Jul 7, 2013
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This is a good question. Maybe him being weaker than at the Tour is not a bad sign at all. I mean if he was redlining in the first week that would mean he's still dragging the Tour peak, which would likely collapse at some point later in the race. Maybe his break enabled him to rest well so now he's in a form low (still not bad!) and building it again. In that case he may become better indeed (if the base he built is enough for two GTs, otherwise he may fade). The problem is that a GT isn't the same as training camp - efforts are uneven, rest days are rare and one can go too deep to frequently to call it an efficient training - as a result one can become weaker instead of stronger.
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