Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[EddyMazzoleni]

You are acting as if Dumoulin was a bad rider... Like I said, he won the Giro in 2017, and was 2nd in TDF in 2018. There was no reason for Jumbo to put all their eggs in one basket named Roglic. Which was shown by the end result.

While i agree with the content of your message, i wonder what giving or not giving Roglic full leadership has to do with the final time trial

 

[bNator]

Some people seem to think that criticising Roglic in any way makes you an "anti". It doesn't, it just means that someone is able to see that he's not perfect.

At least 3 posters in this thread are either pure antis or trolls. Meaning they diminish Roglic achievements or his qualities in general to the point it makes them look ridiculous. Like saying he's never gonna win another GT. Like saying he's *** up all by himself (but when he suceeds, it's due to the team I guess). These are not some glorious insights into Roglic's imperfections but exaggerated provocations and calling those clowns "antis" is actually very kind of @Rackham...

 

[Froome]

It was because he was Dutch & Jumbo needed a local star for sponsorship reasons.

On the road Roglič was crushing the 2020 season over the summer. Jumbo even persisted with this 'Dumoulin co-leader' heresy in the Vuelta 2020 as well, which resulted in his meltdown when he couldn't keep up.

He failed to win the Tour 2020 in the ITT, and it wasn't because of tom dumoulin co leadership.

Jumbo did a lot for roglic, and gave him the best conditions for him, to win so many races. They had so much respect for him that, they put kuss in the giro to help him, risking the chances of kuss not being in his best shape in the Tour, to help Vingegaard. Fortunately it went all well.

 

[theyoungest]

One of the posts above on this very page isn't 'criticism' of Rog, it's straight up ranting about his fans (whilst another poster said he "f*cked up the TdF all by himself", i.e. each to their own but such a claim is itself... entirely subjective, ergo subject to debate).[/quote[

He got the Tour win handed to him on a plate. He couldn't have been shepherded more. Then it's up to him to perform in that final time trial. He didn't (well, at least not enough). Then I say he f.cked it up himself, that wording might be a little too painful for you but it is what it is. The funny thing is, Roglic would probably agree.

The bottom line is if someone is triggered by Rog's fans or the rider himself, posts some anti whatever, then as icing on the cake gets angsty when Rog fans respond, I can think of many more healthy activities than getting moody here over such trivialities like sport & arguing for the sake of it.

Because yes, this is sport & the object of the game for Roglič now is take the fight to Jumbo in the TdF. That's healthy competition & that's what fans want. Not some sort of meek circlejerk where Plugge, Jumbo & their fans should get their egos massaged, or where people who don't like Roglič should get to dominate the conversation because they believe their voice is somehow... impartial or something. I don't think so.

I think we can both agree that we'd love for Roglic to win the Tour. If on nothing else

 

[Netserk]

You are acting as if Dumoulin was a bad rider... Like I said, he won the Giro in 2017, and was 2nd in TDF in 2018. There was no reason for Jumbo to put all their eggs in one basket named Roglic. Which was shown by the end result.

Dumoulin was more of a hindrance than a help on Jumbo. While it probably couldn't have been foreseen, it's now evident that it was a mistake to sign him and assign him any leading role in the team.

So given what was expected of him and the role he had, Dumoulin was a bad rider on Jumbo.

 

[Netserk]

He got the Tour win handed to him on a plate. He couldn't have been shepherded more.

He could. He wasn't particularly shepherded on Peyresourde.

 

[Berniece]

Dumoulin was more of a hindrance than a help on Jumbo. While it probably couldn't have been foreseen, it's now evident that it was a mistake to sign him and assign him any leading role in the team.

So given what was expected of him and the role he had, Dumoulin was a bad rider on Jumbo.

Hindsight is 20/20, it made sense for them to get him

 

[KZD]

Oh and this Nobody puts Rogla in the corner?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724951988373205119

View: https://twitter.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1724951988373205119

I hope he rides Flèche before Liège. That's the race where I think Roglič would be the number 1 favourite. Not sure if Tour de Suisse is the best TDF preparation but despite being secondary races, winning all 7 historical one-week stage races would be quite nice.

The Olympics after the Tour seems a bit of an odd choice. Neither the RR or the TT suit him i and if he doesn't win the Tour, I think he should go to the Vuelta instead and try to beat the record. World Championships makes sense as the course suits him and he and Pogačar could be a formidable duo. Il Lombardia after such a long season could be a stretch but I would like to see him on the Como finish.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Bora won a GT with Hindley for fuchs sake.

Hopefully Hidley get the opportunity to try for another one next season, he has earned that, there is plenty of strength in bora to support roglic. I wouldn't want to see Hindley neutered to just be a domestic for roglic.

Bora is a good team for roglic with martinez, higuita , vlasov, zwihoff, kemna, even buchman for the mountains, and some good rouleurs. They can get guys in good shape. Hopefully they teach roglic that you need to attack sometimes, you need to risk, stop riding like purito.

 

[Froome]

Hopefully Hidley get the opportunity to try for another one next season, he has earned that, there is plenty of strength in bora to support roglic. I wouldn't want to see Hindley neutered to just be a domestic for roglic.

Imagine being neutered during all the Tour, because the leader will do a decisive attack in the last 500 m.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Imagine being neutered during all the Tour, because the leader will do a decisive attack in the last 500 m.

Yeah winning stages and GTs is so lame, unlike trolling rider appreciation threads.

 

[Froome]

Yeah winning stages and GTs is so lame, unlike trolling rider appreciation threads.

Except the Tour.

 

[Blanco]

Except the Tour.

With or without theTour, Roglic is already an all-time great.

 

[Oldermanish]

He failed to win the Tour 2020 in the ITT, and it wasn't because of tom dumoulin co leadership.

Jumbo did a lot for roglic, and gave him the best conditions for him, to win so many races. They had so much respect for him that, they put kuss in the giro to help him, risking the chances of kuss not being in his best shape in the Tour, to help Vingegaard. Fortunately it went all well.

They did that because he's delivered....wait for it: the most GT wins. The team gave him nothing more than the support he earned and then used him as support for their next big thing. It's what the DS is paid to do: make those decisions in a successful business, not a charity.

Imagine being neutered during all the Tour, because the leader will do a decisive attack in the last 500 m.

Clutch your Hindley doll close while you dream of his glory. He'll be treated like Roglic's been treated if he's the best rider. The rest is what you imagined, I'd guess.

 

[Froome]

They did that because he's delivered....wait for it: the most GT wins. The team gave him nothing more than the support he earned and then used him as support for their next big thing. It's what the DS is paid to do: make those decisions in a successful business, not a charity.

Clutch your Hindley doll close while you dream of his glory. He'll be treated like Roglic's been treated if he's the best rider. The rest is what you imagined, I'd guess.

Then, we can agree that Jumbo treated fairly roglic.

 

[bNator]

Except the Tour.

It’s like watching a toddler trying to ski…

 

[VeloMaster]

I wonder if any regulars are asking themselves the same question I am: How did Rogla, the most successful one-week stage racer of his generation, Olympic gold medalist, and multiple GT winner, become such a polarizing figure here?

Of course, it's a fan's right to prefer other riders, or to question tactics or racing style, or simply to take a personal dislike to a sporting figure.... or whatever. But the vitriol and sarcasm aimed at this guy leaves me scratching my head.

Surely, we can agree he is a rare talent with an incredible backstory and an outsized public persona and just leave it at that. Will he win the TdF? I don't know. Will he be a failure if he never does? That's simply ridiculous.

... You may resume your regular programming.

 

[dennisdy]

Roglic fans have such short memories... Jumbo gave Roglic an amazing opportunity to win the Tour. He f.cked it up all by himself. Why would he want to stomp Plugge's face in revenge?

For several reasons: 1. Plugge left him out of the TDF squad. 2. Roglic thought that he could win two grand tours in one year (Giro and Vuelta). But Plugge sent Vingegaard to the Vuelta. 3. Roglic isn't allowed to race for the win at the Vuelta. Roglic might have secured the ballon d'or, if he had won. 4. JV made no attempt to keep Primoz, but let him go.

 

[Oldermanish]

I wonder if any regulars are asking themselves the same question I am: How did Rogla, the most successful one-week stage racer of his generation, Olympic gold medalist, and multiple GT winner, become such a polarizing figure here?

Of course, it's a fan's right to prefer other riders, or to question tactics or racing style, or simply to take a personal dislike to a sporting figure.... or whatever. But the vitriol and sarcasm aimed at this guy leaves me scratching my head.

Surely, we can agree he is a rare talent with an incredible backstory and an outsized public persona and just leave it at that. Will he win the TdF? I don't know. Will he be a failure if he never does? That's simply ridiculous.

... You may resume your regular programming.

There are international prejudices that come to the fore and mostly don't think beyond passion. Lemond won a Tour by 8 seconds. Few people say he "only beat a stronger Fignon by a few seconds..." If Roglic wins every GT by hanging and outsprinting his competition is he a lesser rider. Only idiots argue that point. Winning is winning.

 

[Gargamel35]

Most succesfull riders get the most passional haters. Think about it as a compliment. Being so good and important sports person, that people who don't like you or care for you take their time to troll riders fan pages.

Like old internet saying. Even your haters are your fans. They follow you everywhere.

 

[Bolder]

Most succesfull riders get the most passional haters. Think about it as a compliment. Being so good and important sports person, that people who don't like you or care for you take their time to troll riders fan pages.

Like old internet saying. Even your haters are your fans. They follow you everywhere.

Actually, it's not always the very, very best who get the hate...Where are the Pogacar haters? I don't see anyone trolling MvdP, either. Even Vingegaard doesn't provoke such strange reactions.

 

[Gargamel35]

Actually, it's not always the very, very best who get the hate...Where are the Pogacar haters? I don't see anyone trolling MvdP, either. Even Vingegaard doesn't provoke such strange reactions.

Boring, robotic type people that really don't have much fans. Yeah, many like them, but not as much to be their big fans. So if there is no big fans crowd to talk about them, haters don't come eather.

Two biggest active threads are from a Belgian wonder kid and ex ski jumper.

 

[KZD]

Boring, robotic type people that really don't have much fans. Yeah, many like them, but not as much to be their big fans. So if there is no big fans crowd to talk about them, haters don't come eather.

Two biggest active threads are from a Belgian wonder kid and ex ski jumper.

Van der Poel and Pogačar boring and robotic? I hope you are joking...

 

[Salvarani]

Boring, robotic type people that really don't have much fans. Yeah, many like them, but not as much to be their big fans. So if there is no big fans crowd to talk about them, haters don't come eather.

Two biggest active threads are from a Belgian wonder kid and ex ski jumper.

Lol, it is dangerous to be this blindsided.

 

[kn0s]

Actually, it's not always the very, very best who get the hate...Where are the Pogacar haters? I don't see anyone trolling MvdP, either. Even Vingegaard doesn't provoke such strange reactions.

Not sure anyone gets as much ridicule and name-calling as Vingegaard here. Roglic can get some critique, but I don't see much of this schoolyard bully lameness that Vingegaard has to endure.