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[SHAD0W93]

Your question was fine, I also answered it neutrally.

Your reply to RR had a poor timing, long after you had been told of what had happened today.

That’s something Rick always says after something happens though that they don’t like, so trying to lighten the mood. Maybe it was too soon but it didn’t have any ill intent.

 

[RedheadDane]

"We'll see" within the context of my post refers to the fact people won't care about Cav's record 5 minutes after this TdF has finished.

So, you think that after people spent three years talking about the fact that Cavendish could get stage win number 35, they'll just... stop talking about it now that he's got it?

 

[SHAD0W93]

"We'll see" within the context of my post refers to the fact people won't care about Cav's record 5 minutes after this TdF has finished.

I'll stand by that claim. The Olympics come one week later & the 35 stage wins will be just another footnote on Wikipedia & in the record books.

For other countries only time it’ll come up is for other sprinters or if someone gets close or looks like they can beat it. For UK it’ll probably be forever, US maybe stop once there’s a change over at Peacock/NBC.

 

[Rackham]

So, you think that after people spent three years talking about the fact that Cavendish could get stage win number 35, they'll just... stop talking about it now that he's got it?

'People' haven't spent 3 years talking about it. The Anglo-Saxon media & English speaking forums have. There's a difference.

I know some people hate the guy but I'll bring a recent quote from Max Verstappen into the mix here, i.e. Verstappen said the vast majority of media covering F1 is Anglo so there's a clear bias in their coverage of the sport, whether deliberately or subconsciously.

The same applies re Mark Cavendish in cycling. Because I assure you, French cycling followers don't give a sh*t about the record numbers of stage wins in the TdF - certainly not from a sprinter either.

FYI Merckx isn't that important now either (sorry Belgians). He's from a very funky era from which the famous Pot Belge is as well known as the records from that era are.

 

[jmdirt]

Sh*t sport.

This shouldn't happen. It's not possible to be taken out like that. It ruins the race.

He got taken out by a 'chain' of events: a riders made a stupid mistake and fell in front of other riders, then PR got taken out by a rider who was looking for an escape from the falling riders in front of him. It didn't look like PR was slowing like the other riders were.

 

[SHAD0W93]

If Roglic does withdraw hopefully he’s able to receiver and get in shape before the Vuelta. Stinks we couldn’t see him in the weekend since he said he’s been working on his long climbing. Maybe he will be at the Olympics now.

 

[RedheadDane]

If Roglic does withdraw hopefully he’s able to receiver and get in shape before the Vuelta. Stinks we couldn’t see him in the weekend since he said he’s been working on his long climbing. Maybe he will be at the Olympics now.

Not sure I understand your reasoning... Not sure I've heard about anyone not selected for a race, but then getting selected after they got injured.
It would have been a different matter if it's a while to the Olympics.

 

[Rackham]

He got taken out by a 'chain' of events: a riders made a stupid mistake and fell in front of other riders, then PR got taken out by a rider who was looking for an escape from the falling riders in front of him. It didn't look like PR was slowing like the other riders were.

Which brings me back to Cav, Lutsenko & his presence in the Astana sprint train. Who could imagine Michael Morkov's abandon would initiate such a series of events.

I don't blame them though, i.e. that's just racing as it is now. The traffic dividers which even Thijs Zonneveld warned about before the stage are something else though, i.e. a real 'unsolvable' problem considering what eventually happened:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811321746315673859

View: https://x.com/thijszonneveld/status/1811321746315673859

If Roglic does withdraw hopefully he’s able to receiver and get in shape before the Vuelta. Stinks we couldn’t see him in the weekend since he said he’s been working on his long climbing. Maybe he will be at the Olympics now.

I don't think the selection is down to Rog per se though, i.e. he already made himself available but wasn't selected (according to the insider gossip on Monday).

I think the door was open in the event he performed at a high level in the Tour. At least that's what I understood it to mean.

 

[Rackham]

I'm getting a bit sick of these sorts of health updates during the Tour but here's the latest one:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811467170481590748

View: https://x.com/medicinexthings/status/1811467170481590748

 

[kingjr]

the guy dislikes Roglic fans but has Mark Cavendish in his avatar, famous for the below. speaks to his character.

View: https://youtu.be/869ytxoJsF8?si=zu7-ItFIYVcpdciQ

That was a lack of awareness, though.

 

[Extinction]

'People' haven't spent 3 years talking about it. The Anglo-Saxon media & English speaking forums have. There's a difference.

I know some people hate the guy but I'll bring a recent quote from Max Verstappen into the mix here, i.e. Verstappen said the vast majority of media covering F1 is Anglo so there's a clear bias in their coverage of the sport, whether deliberately or subconsciously.

The same applies re Mark Cavendish in cycling. Because I assure you, French cycling followers don't give a sh*t about the record numbers of stage wins in the TdF - certainly not from a sprinter either.

FYI Merckx isn't that important now either (sorry Belgians). He's from a very funky era from which the famous Pot Belge is as well known as the records from that era are.

I can attest RAI (Italy) was talking about it.

 

[RedheadDane]

I don't blame them though, i.e. that's just racing as it is now. The traffic dividers which even Thijs Zonneveld warned about before the stage are something else though, i.e. a real 'unsolvable' problem considering what eventually happened:

Apparently Moberg and Vinjebo - expert commentators for Danish tv2, who ride the finale of each stage in the morning - talked about the dividers early during the broadcast but just... assumed something would be done about them.

 

[cen]

God has truly forsaken us

 

[zlev11]

That was a lack of awareness, though.

lmfao. funniest joke of the day.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

Apparently Moberg and Vinjebo - expert commentators for Danish tv2, who ride the finale of each stage in the morning - talked about the dividers early during the broadcast but just... assumed something would be done about them.

the dividers should never have been on the route. absolutely nuts.

 

[kingjr]

lmfao. funniest joke of the day.

I've never been a fan of Cav, I have no reason to defend him against my better judgment.

 

[RedheadDane]

the dividers should never have been on the route. absolutely nuts.

Of course, by the time Moberg and Vinjebo went by, it was too late to remove them. However, surely something could have been done to make them more visible. Even if just putting some of the route-planners on it, waving flags.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

Of course, by the time Moberg and Vinjebo went by, it was too late to remove them. However, surely something could have been done to make them more visible. Even if just putting some of the route-planners on it, waving flags.

"Assassins!"

 

[Gwbert]

Obviously sucks but being a Roglic fan im used to this and will enjoy seeing him sprinting up the Muritos later this year. We all know the Tour is just training for La Vuelta anyway!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He is 22 seconds off 4th place. Mountains are still to come.

A month ago you couldn't find a post or opinion about Evenepoel without some sort of claim or expectation that he would crack in the mountains. If Roglic is indeed better (what people in this topic generally assume) than Evenepoel, Almeida and Rodriguez, then a podium spot is still very much possible. More than 3rd place, let's be real, was never gonna happen anyway. If he has no real injuries (though, i did not see the crash and have no idea whether that's realistic) then imho his situation is not that much worse than it was before. Assuming he stops crashing.

 

[hfer07]

It's really painful to witness these occurring setbacks to Roglic, specially when he was well placed in the GC - It's like his fate is already set every damn time he rides the Tour...

 

[Keelhaul]

He is 22 seconds off 4th place. Mountains are still to come.

A month ago you couldn't find a post or opinion about Evenepoel without some sort of claim or expectation that he would crack in the mountains. If Roglic is indeed better (what people in this topic generally assume) than Evenepoel, Almeida and Rodriguez, then a podium spot is still very much possible. More than 3rd place, let's be real, was never gonna happen anyway. If he has no real injuries (though, i did not see the crash and have no idea whether that's realistic) then imho his situation is not that much worse than it was before. Assuming he stops crashing.

He is definitely injured enough to screw with his recovery. Even he continues he is likely having big time problems on Sunday.

 

[Medvind]

He is 22 seconds off 4th place. Mountains are still to come.

A month ago you couldn't find a post or opinion about Evenepoel without some sort of claim or expectation that he would crack in the mountains. If Roglic is indeed better (what people in this topic generally assume) than Evenepoel, Almeida and Rodriguez, then a podium spot is still very much possible. More than 3rd place, let's be real, was never gonna happen anyway. If he has no real injuries (though, i did not see the crash and have no idea whether that's realistic) then imho his situation is not that much worse than it was before. Assuming he stops crashing.

He will surely have some pain, and the healing process will crave some extra energy. Can he make it through the pyrenees without losing any significant time to Remco, Almedia and Rodriguez, then I agree, a podium spot is within reach.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

"We'll see" within the context of my post refers to the fact people won't care about Cav's record 5 minutes after this TdF has finished.

I'll stand by that claim. The Olympics come one week later & the 35 stage wins will be just another footnote on Wikipedia & in the record books.

No, no no. I thought you were familiar with British commentators. This will get repeated every year on every sprint stage ad nauseam until some British rider starts winning again. I watched ITV4 for the first time yesterday and it was as if they had a Pidcock cam until he got dropped.
Anyway we're off on a tangent here in the Roglic thread.

 

[Scarponi]

I got banned for two weeks mentioning that some Remco fans are toxic. You’ve got posters gloating in a riders pain and suffering after a crash and nothing is done .The bias to a Belgian grub on here defies logic. I’ll probably
Check out on this forum with the double standards shown last 4 years. *** go